British Politics Thread

Chiosboy90

Woodpecker
Does Brexit even matter? If it won't affect the open border/replacing system why even bother? In 20 years, the rest of England will be like London now anyway.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
that treasonous hobbit John Bercow

:laugh:

The salt on the news in the UK must be epic now.

Also it’s goodbyeeee to the pretentious and overbearing Jo Swinson and her big milkers.

Looks like Brexit’s back on the menu boys
 

mr_ks

 
Banned
I'm kinda interested to hear how you guys think things in the UK will be so good for you once all the non-whites are deported and Britain leaves the EU.

Wont it just be the same soulless society?

I mean I've been driving around to alot of different areas in the South of England delivering parcels and I see ALOT of very white areas.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
RexImperator said:
that treasonous hobbit John Bercow

:laugh:

The salt on the news in the UK must be epic now.

Also it’s goodbyeeee to the pretentious and overbearing Jo Swinson and her big milkers.

Looks like Brexit’s back on the menu boys

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spectacular.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
I sometimes wonder if guys like Boris are secretly aware that the path they're on will establish a financial crash for Europe severe enough to halt the gravy train for the rapefugees and send them packing back to Pakistan.

It would be pretty amazing if they were posturing as fake conservatives when in reality they wanted to bring this shitshow to a grinding halt all along.
 

Ember

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
Here we go. This time Scotland could get independence if Boris can drop his opposition.

Nicola Sturgeon insists second vote on Scottish independence is now a 'democratic right' because of SNPs 'watershed' general election which saw party win 48 of 59 seats in Scotland

Nicola Sturgeon has laid down the gauntlet to Boris Johnson as she seized on SNP election gains to demand a fresh referendum on Scottish independence.

But Mr Johnson and his new Tory majority government are dead set against allowing another breakaway ballot, with the two sides now set for an epic clash.

Ms Sturgeon has insisted the vote on splitting from the UK must now be allowed to take place before the end of next year.

But if Mr Johnson holds firm in his opposition to another vote Ms Sturgeon could be left frustrated with the UK likely heading towards a fresh constitutional crisis.

The SNP managed to increase its tally of MPs in Westminster from 35 in 2017 to 48 this time around as the party won the overwhelming majority of the 59 seats available north of the border.

But the Tories are likely to point to the fact that while the SNP secured 45 per cent of the vote in Scotland, a majority of Scots actually voted for unionist parties.

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Boris should let them go. The English parliament would be drastically less socialist without the SNP and the potential return of Scottish Labour MP's. Scots would also have to pick up the full tab for their leftist policies and then find out that North Sea oil does not cover it.

If they want to be independent of Britain but not the EU it's their call, not ours.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
That's a narrow-minded view, the dissolution of strong European nation-states is a big goal of globalists, who want to balkanize all of Europe. Scotland, Catalonia, Corsica, Basque country are being used to that aim.

There is no evidence that the UK conservatives are against open borders, so it's not worth breaking up a great country over short term tactical considerations. Europe needs strong nation-states, not small regions that would be completely dependent on Brussels.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Leonard D Neubache said:
I sometimes wonder if guys like Boris are secretly aware that the path they're on will establish a financial crash for Europe severe enough to halt the gravy train for the rapefugees and send them packing back to Pakistan.

It would be pretty amazing if they were posturing as fake conservatives when in reality they wanted to bring this shitshow to a grinding halt all along.

There is no financial crash in store, not in Europe, or in the US. They can keep pumping cash into the economy to stave off a collapse.

In the US, the Fed has over $25 trillion in potential liabilities from the bailout that (((its owners))) can pass on the US taxpayer, but of course they don't, they know not to kill the golden goose.

The real picture is that we've had huge increases in productivity due to technology, but all the wealth has been hogged by the banksters. They can release just enough of it into the economy to keep the system going, while slowly raising the temperature in the frog stew.

I think a total crash would only happen if the good guys take over, until then they will stick to a big recession to fleece the sheep every decade or so, buying assets on the cheap and reducing consumer welfare and home ownership rates. A major crash could happen for instance if Trump goes rogue in his second term.

It wouldn't be too difficult to get through such a crash, just by changing the monetary system to a debt-free national central bank and using the same playbook Hjalmar Schacht applied to turn around Weimar Germany into the best industrial economy of its time. The globalists though would use such a crash to consolidate their plans.
 

Harem Scarem

Sparrow
Gold Member
I mentioned this elsewhere: I think they should grant a second Scottish referendum. It's win-win: the nats might lose again, or you get rid of an unruly province that will never accept the course of the UK. Polls tend towards the Scots still wanting to stay in the UK (Brexit might change that) but they do appreciate SNP governance. Labour is dead in Scotland and the Tories are on life support. They picked up a decent amount of seats in 2017 by having a fat leftist lesbian for a leader. That sentence is basically contemporary Scottish conservatism in a nutshell. Now those seats are mostly gone again and it's all about the northern English vote.

Anyway, besides considerations like that, it's also a matter of principle. The UK is not some oppressive institution. If a constituent part really wants to secede, for whatever reasons, they should be gracefully shown the door without any hard feelings. The only exception should be Northern Ireland where you have to take the interests of two communities into consideration. It wouldn't be acceptable for the socialist Irish nationalists to squeeze through by 50%+1 vote and then immediately move to repress the Protestant/unionist population.

But Scotland is different, the unity between England and Scotland was forged through centuries of both conflict and cooperation. The idea that Scotland should be an implacable enemy of England as soon as they secede is insane. They should get another referendum and preferably it should be won by the unionist side by convincing the Scots of the benefits of the union, rather than by threatening them with Project Fear-style campaigns.

RexImperator said:
that treasonous hobbit John Bercow

:laugh:

The salt on the news in the UK must be epic now.

Also it’s goodbyeeee to the pretentious and overbearing Jo Swinson and her big milkers.

Looks like Brexit’s back on the menu boys

Pretty funny what happened with Swinson, really. The odds of LibDems to upset the two-party system always get overrated after it happened once, but the hubris this time around was unsurpassed. They ran a kind of presidential campaign where Swinson was somehow going to be the next prime minister, and then they were going to end Brexit without even the fig leaf of a second referendum. She was just going to swoop into No 10 and say: "OK, Brexit is over now!"

In the event, Swinson even lost her own seat by a margin of only 149 votes. That basically always means the party leader has to resign (and she has done so), since you basically can't get shit done outside of parliament. If Johnson had lost in his constituency (massive amounts of resources were pumped into this effort while neglecting the heartland, much like with Hillary Clinton's "blue wall"), he would have had to put himself in the House of Lords in order to stay PM, but he would in fact have been under huge pressure to resign. Labour were hoping to scare him into running to a safe Conservative seat, which he wisely didn't do.

Anyway, LibDems were positioning themselves as the most ruthlessly clownish party in the market. To get an idea:



Line up kids, free puberty blockers for all!

In her concession speech Swinson was going on about glass ceilings when the UK has had two female prime ministers! She was just the first woman to lead her dreadfully boring feminist party.

Leonard D Neubache said:
I sometimes wonder if guys like Boris are secretly aware that the path they're on will establish a financial crash for Europe severe enough to halt the gravy train for the rapefugees and send them packing back to Pakistan.

It would be pretty amazing if they were posturing as fake conservatives when in reality they wanted to bring this shitshow to a grinding halt all along.

Well, I must say the Anglosphere is not in rude health either when one strips away the official figures, but right now it's looking better to me than continental Europe. It cracks me up when our smug pundits trash the UK and predict economic doom and gloom if Brexit isn't stopped. Physician, heal thyself!

It is believed that a no-deal Brexit last October would have triggered a recession in Germany. The possibility of no-deal has been averted for now, but might come back with a vengeance if UK-EU trade negotiations fail. Germany is reeling from a failed "energy transition" and now the entire EU is going to commit to more of the same, since apparently it's now a smart thing to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

I'm definitely not in the business of economic predictions, but if Brexit (even in a softened form) produces decent economic results while we stagnate, enterprising people on the continent may hit themselves in the head that they're stuck in this morass and unable to easily do business or get a work permit in the UK, assuming they get even a remotely "Britain First" policy towards EU labour migration.
 

Ember

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
That's a narrow-minded view, the dissolution of strong European nation-states is a big goal of globalists, who want to balkanize all of Europe. Scotland, Catalonia, Corsica, Basque country are being used to that aim.

There is no evidence that the UK conservatives are against open borders, so it's not worth breaking up a great country over short term tactical considerations. Europe needs strong nation-states, not small regions that would be completely dependent on Brussels.

I disagree. The EU is about to collapse. These globalist concerns will be irrelevant very shortly when Scotland has to pay its own way without Britain, the EU or anyone else supporting them. Just as it should be. A short period of Scotland being a burden on the EU before the collapse does in any way help the globalists.

The end result, when Scotland is fully independent, has been shaken out its socialist phase by fiscal reality, and cannot beg from an EU that has ceased to exist, is a new, responsible and stronger independent nation. Not what the globalists dream of at all.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
rotekz said:
Boris should let them go. The English parliament would be drastically less socialist without the SNP and the potential return of Scottish Labour MP's. Scots would also have to pick up the full tab for their leftist policies and then find out that North Sea oil does not cover it.

If they want to be independent of Britain but not the EU it's their call, not ours.

I'm pro-unity, but to play devil's advocate, our 'demographics' are a lot healthier than England's and we have a firm sense of what it means to be Scottish, can the average Englishman really define what it means to be English. Scotland would stay Scottish with the right leadership and immigration controls, whilst England becomes London.
 

mr_ks

 
Banned
Voting in a National Election is very cucking. This is something that means a lot to a lot of people. Yet, each person's actions only count for 1 in 50 000 000 or so of the result. It just emphasizes how insignificant each of us is when people make a big deal of the election. Every time one team will win and someone will lose, especially so in the more polarised West we are now entering into.

Being a Red Pilled Traditionalist means knowing that humans are not supposed to go through this much emotional stress having little control over the outcome, at regular intervals. The system will surely change, and I believe that is the biggest take-away from the changing voting patterns this time round.

I saw this video from Russel Brand and I realized he felt pretty much the same as I do, especially about the role of the modern Nation State, and I am sure there will be many others too.

 

Oak

Robin
Protestant
Transsimian said:
rotekz said:
Boris should let them go. The English parliament would be drastically less socialist without the SNP and the potential return of Scottish Labour MP's. Scots would also have to pick up the full tab for their leftist policies and then find out that North Sea oil does not cover it.

If they want to be independent of Britain but not the EU it's their call, not ours.

I'm pro-unity, but to play devil's advocate, our 'demographics' are a lot healthier than England's and we have a firm sense of what it means to be Scottish, can the average Englishman really define what it means to be English. Scotland would stay Scottish with the right leadership and immigration controls, whilst England becomes London.

I suspect Scotland would go the way of Ireland or Canada: lambs to the slaughter of globalism. Ironically I think it's probably the union protecting the Scottish nation from being browned out of existence at least in the medium term. Ditto NI. If given independence, with a leftist supermajority and a massive deficit to plug, I suspect there would be an attempt to grow the economy by growing the population. Which is exactly what the SNP proposed last indyref. And that pop. growth won't be coming from Scottish women.

If Scotland could go independent after Brexit AND take a sudden massive turn to the right that would be great. But seems highly unlikely. As a tiny nation within the EU and labour and SNP as the only viable parties, 16 year olds likely having the vote...gives me the chills how quickly the country could be destroyed. Just look at Ireland. In theory I love the idea, but in practice it seems a huge gamble right now.

Would be great for England which is in a much worse state. Don't think there's a political solution there, but with Scotland out the way they have a permanent Tory supermajority and plenty of room to move further right.

The election just shows how ingenious Blair was. Present a non-threatening campaign to middle England, then import new voters to outbreed and eventually outvote them and 'education, education, education' soft young minds to hate themselves. Those seeds are still growing and I don't think any Tory government will have the balls to deal with it, making every election basically irrelevant in the long term. Have linked it before, but perfect summary from Hitchens:

 

Brother Abdul Majeed

Kingfisher
Catholic
Gold Member
Transsimian said:
I'm pro-unity, but to play devil's advocate, our 'demographics' are a lot healthier than England's and we have a firm sense of what it means to be Scottish, can the average Englishman really define what it means to be English. Scotland would stay Scottish with the right leadership and immigration controls, whilst England becomes London.

I'm pro-unity as well, but I absolutely disagree with your assessment. I do not think Scotland's demographics are any better than England's. Scottish laws are much more pozzed to boot, and historically always have been.

I'm Maryhill born and raised, so you know I'm a Jags supporter. I left there as a teenager to move to Canada, and since then I've moved on to Panama. I see Scotland through snapshots of time. I always visit my relatives every two or three years, so I have a sense of the decline, rather than being a frog in a pot of warm water that's about to boil. It really doesn't help that I read news snippets on the internet about the state of feminism, policing, and faggotry in Scotland.

I just got back from a visit a month ago. It was depressing. Most of my relatives are still in Glasgow, but a few have migrated up towards Inverness. I hate being in Glasgow, and now Edinburgh is unbearable as well. Travelling across the A82, they might as well be the same city now. Hardly a break between them other than truck stops.

Up in the highlands you're bound to run into more English retirees than you are genuine Scotsmen. In Edinburgh, there are more American students and dodgy Romanians than there are natives. Glasgow is immigrant central. Indian investors are snapping up the old highland restaurants and turning them into small chains. There's not much left. Glencoe, Culloden, Ben Nevis et al have been turned into cheap touristy places. Fort Augustus has wave after wave of Asian tourists arriving on buses.

It's sad. I always rent a car, and this time, even the drive through the Trossachs wasn't very pleasant. Just too much traffic.

On the way out, I used the Edinburgh airport. Not a single store sold Hibs or Hearts gear, it was all Celtic and Rangers because of the corporate deals that the store owners make. To get a Jags jersey, I had to go to Firhill directly, not a single store in Maryhill sold any, again, it was all Celtic and Rangers. Scotland is becoming a corporate heaven for the brain-dead masses.

Of course, it didn't help that the Brexit coverage was boring and non-stop. Hopefully that will start to wind down soon. My uncle, who was anti-Brexit told me that he would vote Conservative this time just to end the torture and get it over with. Personally, I'm fed up of the SNP and their demands.
 

Elmore

 
Banned
Transsimian said:
rotekz said:
Boris should let them go. The English parliament would be drastically less socialist without the SNP and the potential return of Scottish Labour MP's. Scots would also have to pick up the full tab for their leftist policies and then find out that North Sea oil does not cover it.

If they want to be independent of Britain but not the EU it's their call, not ours.

I'm pro-unity, but to play devil's advocate, our 'demographics' are a lot healthier than England's and we have a firm sense of what it means to be Scottish
, can the average Englishman really define what it means to be English. Scotland would stay Scottish with the right leadership and immigration controls, whilst England becomes London.

Not for long if Sturgeon were to lead an "independent" EU cuckhold state. They would Kalergi the place so hard, they'd make the micks blush, lets face it.
 

H1N1

Ostrich
Gold Member
The SNP still only got 45% of the vote, despite their relatively strong showing in total seats acquired. It is a fair assumption that those who feel strongly about Scottish independence are overwhelmingly likely to vote SNP. I would be relatively confident that if they got another referendum on independence, they would lose again.
 
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