We could make an epic catalog of male achievements, from paved roads, indoor plumbing, and washing machine to eyeglasses, antibiotics and disposable diapers. We enjoy safe, fresh milk and meat, and vegetables and tropical fruits heaped in snowbound cities. When I cross the George Washington Bridge or any of America’s great bridges, I think: men have done this. Construction is a sublime male poetry. When I see a see a giant crane passing on a flatbed truck, I pause in awe and reverence as would for a church processions.
Icarus said:An excellent 1h43m-long conversation between Camille Paglia and Jordan B. Peterson:
debeguiled said:Subject matter was good, but she is a human disaster. Did you notice that in that discussion, she might as well have been alone?
John Michael Kane said:
Different T said:Notice Paige [sic] still denigrates the nuclear family and even blames homos on it
Icarus said:Paglia does indeed denigrate the nuclear family, but she also defends 3 generations living under the same roof. She is not glorifying living alone, is she? What if she's right? The nuclear family is a very recent invention. One of the ills of our age is that the grandparents' wisdom is not being transmitted to the grandchildren, mostly because the grandparents have been shipped to a retirement home.
Different T said:Do you think that the reason we no longer have three generations under one roof is simply because we "choose" to?
Different T said:I understand your point, but when you listen to that interview in context, she quite clearly has the "middle class housewives were sequestered prisoners" view of the nuclear family.
Icarus said:To some extent, yes.
Icarus said:One eventually concludes that one needs a new religion to create the incentives and penalties necessary for the vision above to materialize. However, for a new religion to arise, the selfish religion of the Baby Boomer generation must be burned to the ground. No mercy! Burn it all.
Icarus said:Paglia defends segregation by gender, which I also do. She puts it in terms of "world of men" and "world of women". I could call it matriarchy for women and patriarchy for all. Men and women are too different.
Icarus said:Suppose 3 generations live under the same roof. There's a pyramidal hierarchy:
- The grandfather rules over the fathers and the grandsons. Fathers rule over their sons and nephews.
- The grandmother rules over the mothers and the granddaughters. Mothers rule over their daughters and nieces. Lastly, the grandmother reports to the grandfather.
Hence, men are not forced to deal with female insanity. Wifey is PMS-ing and acting insane? Inform grandfather. Grandfather then orders the grandmother to discipline insane wifey. She does so. Problem solved. Men should not be forced to descend into the utter inanity of female emotion.
Icarus said:She is all for large families, however. I agree with her. If you only have one sibling, your socialization will be limited. Socializing with a bunch of siblings is a much richer life.
911 said:In order to really get to the bottom, she has to step out from her fundamental identity, which would be too big a step for her.