Can You Be Friends with Leftists?

Max Roscoe

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
The question is flawed as it implies a binary choice. People are either leftists or, presumably, "rightists."
I am not right wing, at least not in its form as presented in American politics. In fact, I have even bigger problems with Republicans than I do Democrats.

But to answer the question, it depends on what they believe. Really, politics is not something that the masses were ever supposed to participate in, but left to scholars, philosophers, thinkers, and leaders, and so we are not even supposed to know the political opinions of others. The mess of democracy means that everyone is supposed to have political positions on every issue, such as what sort of government Ukranians should have and what type of trade policy is best for the Chinese, and whether Amazon's workers should form a union.

If someone is a traditional Democrat (holding Bill Clinton era views), as most of my friends are, then it's no issue whatsoever. I keep my views to myself, unless we can discuss something where our views coincide, like worker rights, the environment, peace, middle class, etc.

If someone believes in transexualism, gay marriage, etc. then it's very difficult to be friends with them. But unless they are themselves a gay tranny, why do they even take up a pro-tranny position? That is a zealot, an ideologue, an extremist, and not anyone I want to be associated with.

I have a gay acquaintance/friend who is opposed to gay marriage, doesn't like trannies, and doesn't like anything about public sexuality. He is attracted to men, and whether he acts on that or not I'd rather not know and he certainly would not share.

If someone is too political, that is a huge turnoff no matter what they believe. I recently sat behind a young man on a plane ride, and he told the older woman (who was part of some Republican group I think) next to him that he was *fascinated* by politics. I was shocked and astounded. I don't think I could easily be friends with such a person. What is there to like or enjoy about modern politics, from either side? Maybe he was jewish.
 

Veemerk

Pigeon
Woman
Protestant
I try not to talk politics with my friends and family. They are all on the “left side” except a few. I’ve even witnessed family members who once leaned right now leaning left. I wouldn’t say anyone holds extreme positions though.

I remember getting in an argument with my uncle about politics and it ruined the family time we were supposed to spend together. I also remember getting in a heated political fight with friends at a restaurant and what was meant to be a nice evening became tense and uncomfortable.

Although, I may not agree with them, I love them and we still have plenty to talk about without bringing up politics. Everyone knows how everyone feels.
 
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Pray_Everyday

Robin
Woman
Other Christian
This question has been going through my mind after spending some time last weekend with family, including my blue-haired, [email protected] sister-in-law. She claims to believe in Christ (baptized Catholic), but doesn't seem to be aware that many of her positions and world view are completely aligned with raging radicalized leftists.

In short, it may be possible for some non leftist people to be friends with leftists, depending on temperament, but I don't think it's possible for me. One thing I've noticed about leftists is that, even if we don't discuss politics at all, they just can't help but to virtue signal. And frankly, it's annoying and impossible for me to not notice.

It's like, I don't care to hear about how you got your six-year old [email protected], you sent your 2 year old to therapy, or how you believe in reusing plastic to save the planet, or how you believe not donating hair is selfish, or how you think Canada is a utopia (no offense to any Canadians, but last summer she was complaining that the US should have locked down more like Canada. I should have messed with her by bringing up a China style lockdown, because I doubt she's even aware of it.)

It's like even if we don't bring up anything blatantly political the worldview is still there. I guess it's more of a "normie" world view, but it seems nowadays they're trying to push the leftist position as the default unless one thinks for themselves, actively does research and tries to look for the truth. So it's more like it's impossible to be friends with normies, who tend to lean left.

2Cor6:14
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
In the last few days I decided deliberately to not make friends with one or two people who appeared to be leftists. One of them in particular was spouting some stuff repeatedly.

Feel a bit melancholic about it, cause they were okay folks in other ways, although I likely did not have that much in common with them.

You have to save yourself from yourself, and I've overdone it over the years with leftist friends, want to steer my future in a better direction.
 

Pete345

Kingfisher
Orthodox
To me at least, a friend is someone who you can trust, rely on, confide in, and lean on in hard times. Leftists subvert society with immoral, demonic and authoritarian behavior. I would never be able to trust a leftist like that because leftism is a sham, built on a lie. In the past I tried to be "tolerant" of leftists and be friends with them, but they inevitably wanted to always pursue immoral paths and push others to join them. I won't surround myself with these people anymore.
 

dragonfire00

Robin
Woman
Protestant
In the past I tried to be "tolerant" of leftists and be friends with them, but they inevitably wanted to always pursue immoral paths and push others to join them. I won't surround myself with these people anymore.
Same. If they aren't themselves pursuing those paths they will still encourage it in others or hang around similar people and discuss their beliefs in front of you constantly. I have a couple friends (that lasted long because we grew up going to church together too!) that I've been slowly separating from due to this.
 

IconWriter

Woodpecker
Woman
Orthodox
Gold Member
I found out the hard way, by putting my foot in my mouth, that two of my close friends were not of the same "politics", or views on abortion, etc. as mine. We attended the same church and when I first joined I stupidly thought everyone was in agreement on everything. I know I cannot and should not try to change their minds because most things like this are not my "job", but God's. After years of strain, we've learned what subjects to avoid, which are many, and to focus on what we have in common instead.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
You have to save yourself from yourself, and I've overdone it over the years with leftist friends, want to steer my future in a better direction.
I'm still working on this.
Listened to this, it was quite good:
Leftism and wealth a theory
I will check this one out shortly:
Why artists tend to be leftists
Some people are just not that interested in politics which is as least better than strong leftist or woke leanings.

There is a term radical inclusionism. Stefan's podcast above about leftism and wealth puts forward a theory which is quite good although in thinking about the leftist who has been closest to me over the years, it is a slight variation on that theme, not just neglected children of overachieving parents, but something else that caused them to suffer feelings of exclusion in childhood and then later on identify with the radical inclusionism doctrine of the left.
 

Big Wave Dave

Pigeon
Other Christian
The TRS boys called this “hiding your power level” years ago, as in you should be careful about who you reveal how based/red-pilled you are… Personally, I’ve actually found the massive failing of the Biden Administration has made it much easier to talk to liberals because everyone hates Biden (and Newsom) or can at least acknowledge the governments massive failings. They can see they got scammed. I live in California, even the liberals here are like “WTH is going on in the White House?” It’s created a great opportunity, in a round about kind of way.

When Trump was president, no one admitted that they voted for him out of fear. Now I see “Let’s Go Brandon” flags and bumper stickers regularly.
A woman TRS enjoyer? Do you still listen? They are my intro to podcast antisemitism and racism way back since 2016, oh gawd..
 

ChristFollower1111

Robin
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
I haven’t read this whole thread but just weighing in I’d say no, it’s very difficult. I’m visiting my home state right now and some of my long time friends have some leftist opinions, but I’ve found that over the years I have subconsciously selected to have open minded, somewhat curious people as my very closest friends and they usually aren’t dogmatically left, and will at least hear me out.

I met a friend of a friend recently and while I found her to be an easygoing person who I was mostly comfortable around, I could tell she was very leftist, quite masculine and awkward around my infant. I couldn’t picture her being a mother, despite her being a somewhat, averagely attractive young woman. It was sad. I can’t imagine being so awkward and weird around a baby. I mean- she was talking to the baby like she’s an adult at one point, and even made an off color joke about my baby. I was almost offended but then remembered that these people are retarded and delayed, often to no fault of their own.
 

Parmesan

Pelican
Other Christian
Friends are overrated. I don't resent them in any way, but I wish I could get back all the time I wasted in my 20's getting beers, eating out, and just watching TV with friends. I think the modern Western trend of spending your 20s with your friends, is just a subconscious replacement for starting a family.
 

Starlight

Pelican
Woman
Protestant
A woman TRS enjoyer? Do you still listen? They are my intro to podcast antisemitism and racism way back since 2016, oh gawd..
Haven’t listened to them for a few years now mostly because I just don’t have the time/desire to listen to an hours+ long podcast and I can’t tolerate the amount of swearing.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Friends are overrated. I don't resent them in any way, but I wish I could get back all the time I wasted in my 20's getting beers, eating out, and just watching TV with friends. I think the modern Western trend of spending your 20s with your friends, is just a subconscious replacement for starting a family.
True, I feel like that as well, but we've gotta emphasize that we're talking about atheist friends here. And with atheists you're gonna do atheist things, aka not building stuff for the long term benefit of your life and that of others in your community and society at large, but short term entertainment inducing, dopamine stimulating nonsense that has no purpose at all. The point about replacing a family is a very good observation, but having good friends/acquaintances to go through life with together and who can guide you on certain topics and you vice versa for them, that's also a tremendously important part of the human experience. It's tough and rare to find though nowadays as, like you addressed, people postpone family and useful/long term things so much and focus so much on the short term that with atheist friends typically you'll stay at a very superficial unsatisfying level, instead of going into the depths of yourself, them, your lives, what life is about and strategies how to progress in life at large. That depth is rare to find nowadays but worth striving for anyways.
 
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