Cancelling the West : Moving to the new Russia.

bucky

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Anyway, back to your interesting last paragraph, @bucky .

I think that Putin has made this "180", actually 80 degrees turn. Just listen to his speeches since the beginning of the operation. It's all about restoring the greatness of Russian (Federation) traditional culture and History. It's very moving and exceptionally anti-Globalists.

And you're I think mistaken if you think that western MSM would have jumped on it. MSM absolutely needs to silence and memory-hole Putin's recent speeches. MSM won't analyse them publicly, they prefer to "cancel" them online.
These are interesting points. In general, I think you are right about the MSM not presenting Putin's speeches clearly. He sounds rational at the very least, and he obviously mentions Russia's various legitimate grievances, something that the western MSM only ever mentions in passing at best. None of that supports their narrative that Putin is insane and decided to invade Ukraine out of a pure desire for conquest.

(In spite of this, I've actually been surprised at how many people I've met here in the the US who have at least a basic understanding that the Russians didn't just wake up one morning and decide to invade Ukraine for no reason.)

About Putin's new brand of nationalism, I guess I should listen to his recent speeches more closely. What you're describing sounds disturbingly close to the civic nationalism we have in the US, which is extremely stupid, obviously doesn't work well, yet is also somehow our most cherished value. Vox Day calls it "the melting pot lie" or "magic dirt theory." That is, the idea that anyone from anywhere can be an American and live happily and be prosperous under our traditional system while also benefiting the rest of society, whereas that's really only clearly true for people of mostly British descent and MAYBE other types of western and northern Europeans, although even they can struggle. For the large numbers of Africans, Asians, Latin Americans, Jews, etc. we have, this Anglo-Saxon system has to be constantly changed in haphazard, inconsistent, and illogical ways, which I believe is the core reason for most of the major problems we have nowadays in the US and other Anglo countries.

On the other hand, this new Russian civic nationalism you speak of will obviously be different from what we have in the US, so maybe it will work better. I still think you'd see a lot of resentment toward Westerners, even of the based and red-pilled variety, if they started arriving in large numbers in Russia, but who knows.

I'll give you that free beach front property in Odessa or Sevastopol sounds great, if they're really planning on giving those out to foreign volunteers after the war. I'm middle aged with a bad knee and I've got kids to take care of, not to mention that I also don't trust the Russian authorities as much as you do, so I'm not going. On the other hand, if you're young, single, and believe in Russia and that nice flat with an view of the Black Sea as much as you seem to, it does sound like a great offer.
 

Yeagerist

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
As someone who had earned my freedoms with arms my hands - so I love freedom a lot - it really amuses me how all the same people on the forum who complain about digital concentration camp, government overreach, censorship, cancel culture, political oppression in the West, possible un-banking want to move to...Russia. :hmm:

If you moved there (you won't, won't be able to), you'd learn the real meaning of these things quick.
Not the kiddie gloves-on Western version that you had seen so far but the real, Eastern version, China-style.
Might not be able to leave even and 100% won't be able to take your money back out of there, that if you manage to keep any of them while you'd be like a babe in the woods among all the crooks, crime, failing banks and heavy government actions with zero regard for the individual.
If you speak out on any social media saying the stuff you say on this forum, you'd get problems too, and if they declare someone to be an extremist (like you use a social network they don't like or posted a like under something they don't like), you'd be fully unbanked real quick just for starters, it's been done for many years, silly people think it started in Canada. Right now even discussing the military operations online and reposting telegram can technically get one up to 15 years of prison, it's not going to change much while Putin is there. If Putin goes it'll be a even wilder ride with any outcome, from civil war to full North Korea.
I guess it's more of choosing which problems people here would prefer to deal with. Sure, Russia is filled with petty criminals and corrupt oligarchs, but those people aren't gonna lock me up anytime soon for saying that there are only two genders and whatnot.

In addition, most of the migrants would be men, assuming that many women would be afraid to leave the comfort of the progressive west for a more traditional culture and many conservative minded western men reject western women for obvious reasons. Therefore, it would change the dynamics of the Russian "dating market" in the country that already has the third highest divorce rate in the world.
It would depend if Western men who wish to migrate to Russia would have to find a conservative wife first who equally desires to avoid the ungodly influences in America, or move to Russia as a single man and then search for a prospective wife there.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Russia was conquored by the Khans, many of their women were impregnated (voluntary or otherwise), and this gives Russians to this day their ethnic look compared to Western Europeans. They are mixed with Mongols and Asians from over hundreds of shared years of history together... they are indeed multiracial and multiethnic, and have survived that way, as an Empire, for nearly 900 years.

I would say that this is because Asian/White mix is fairly benign. Both are intelligent races that compliment each other in various ways, even if they have totally different emotional temperaments. Children of such offspring tend to resemble Whites more and more over time as well. Whereas White/Black mix is way more volatile and full of huge incompatibilities. Likewise, Black/Asian mixing doesn't have a strong track record either, the closest thing to Black/Asian mixed is in India, and a mix of Caucasian/Black/Asian is in the Middle East.

There are plenty of parts of the world where race mixing is the norm... but even among these parts, there are patterns.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Russia was conquored by the Khans, many of their women were impregnated (voluntary or otherwise), and this gives Russians to this day their ethnic look compared to Western Europeans. They are mixed with Mongols and Asians from over hundreds of shared years of history together... they are indeed multiracial and multiethnic, and have survived that way, as an Empire, for nearly 900 years.
This is a completely incorrect statement. There is no evidence of genetic intermixture of Mongolians within the modern ethnic Russian population. Which nations are there intermixture in the modern ethnic Russian population? Nordic, German, Polish, Jewish, Hungarian, Greek, Turkish, Caucasian, Persian, Central Asian ... but no Mongolian. The only intermixture between Russians and Mongols is in Buryatia, which is on the border with Mongolia, and has been historically a part of it.

The Mongol looking people that you might see in Russia are Kalmyks or Central Asian immigrants, the population of which has grown tremendously in recent years, as the population of ethnic Russians has fallen.

The Golden Horde did not have it's troops policeing the Russian cities, simply because they didn't have that many troops. The Golden Horde ruled indirectly. The Tsar of Moscow was a vassal of the Golden Horde, who gave them tribute. Among such taxes could as well have been people, but they were shipped to Mongolia, so Russian intermixed with the Mongolian nation itself in Mongolia, not the other way around.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Likewise, Black/Asian mixing doesn't have a strong track record either, the closest thing to Black/Asian mixed is in India, and a mix of Caucasian/Black/Asian is in the Middle East.
Sorry, if this feels harsh Samseau, but I would just add my remarks here as well.

First of all, you realize that there is no such thing as race, that race is specifically a construction, right? I think that there is no such thing as "the Black race". Take different black people in Africa itself, they are all so very different. For example, compare Masai to pigmeys. They are more different than a Scandinavian is from a Korean! So simply skin color alone is not enough to identify a "race". And Dravidian people in India are dark because they are their own "race", no relation to Africans. And Middle Eastern people are again their own "race", although they had more of a genetic effect on the African populations, than the African populations had on them!

According to the Russian geneticist Anatoly Klyosov, founder of the science of DNA-chronology, "race" is an outdated concept, and instead humanity is divided into haplogroups, of which there are about 20 in the world. Even then, phenotype is only loosely coorelated to haplogroups. For example R1A, considered as "the ethnic Russian gene", is present in highest quantities in Poland and ... Aphganistan and Pakistan! There are many many different haplogroups in Africa itself, they have never been just a single "race".

So the concept of "race" based on skin color is an incredibly United Agglomerations way of looking at things. It is not based on biology in any way. This reminds me of the "I am not a biologist" meme. The fact most people in the US have no understanding of genotype, phenotype, or haplogroup. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
First of all, Pygmies aren't even the same species as Humans as far as I'm aware. Is breeding possible between the two?

As far as Haplogroups - these are one of the most prominent indicators of race there is. While many of these Haplogroups are shared across huge geographic distances, there are enough common similarities between members of the same race with haplogroup identifiers that once you know what these haplogroups are it is very possible to guess with confidence what that person's race is. Using Haplogroups is so good, in fact, the courts of Isreal have accepted it as proof of Jewish ancestry for citizens who needed extra proof to show they had the right genetics.

Race simply means "origins," and like all animals humans share traits across generations. There is nothing wrong with observing how God ordered Man.
 

Yeagerist

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Sorry, if this feels harsh Samseau, but I would just add my remarks here as well.

First of all, you realize that there is no such thing as race, that race is specifically a construction, right? I think that there is no such thing as "the Black race". Take different black people in Africa itself, they are all so very different. For example, compare Masai to pigmeys. They are more different than a Scandinavian is from a Korean! So simply skin color alone is not enough to identify a "race". And Dravidian people in India are dark because they are their own "race", no relation to Africans. And Middle Eastern people are again their own "race", although they had more of a genetic effect on the African populations, than the African populations had on them!

According to the Russian geneticist Anatoly Klyosov, founder of the science of DNA-chronology, "race" is an outdated concept, and instead humanity is divided into haplogroups, of which there are about 20 in the world. Even then, phenotype is only loosely coorelated to haplogroups. For example R1A, considered as "the ethnic Russian gene", is present in highest quantities in Poland and ... Aphganistan and Pakistan! There are many many different haplogroups in Africa itself, they have never been just a single "race".

So the concept of "race" based on skin color is an incredibly United Agglomerations way of looking at things. It is not based on biology in any way. This reminds me of the "I am not a biologist" meme. The fact most people in the US have no understanding of genotype, phenotype, or haplogroup. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
This is a whole can of worms that shouldn't be opened, even in a forum like this where we say things that would be considered controversial to outsiders.

And Americans are not the only ones who have a concept or distinction of races, in fact I would say that regions like the Balkans or Eastern Europe or the Far East are more racially-minded. Ukrainian nationalists, for example, would claim that they're pure Kievan Slavs and call Russians mongrels. Serbs would claim that Bosniaks and Croatians are just Serbs with a different religion while the latter two groups would vehemently claim otherwise. Frankly I've had enough of the anti-Americanism among online Orthodox places (and I'm not even from the U.S. to begin with). And how many Europeans or Latin-Americans or anyone else would be knowledgeable about haplogroups, either?
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
This will throw a spanner in the works.


Not necessarily, as tourism visas might be harder to get, but investor visas or even refugee status, might be easier to obtain, it's too early to tell.

Also, I wrote on the original post that the thread also considers NovoRossiya and even the Donbass Republics. Those can and will have their own immigration policies, and they will need (good) immigrants.

In any case, I think that Russia, in the coming years, will need all the help and foreign volunteers/friends it can get. Because the 5-columnists will leave, the Western expats will leave, and the Globalists will wage a permanent economic and communication war against Russia. So Russia will need to replenish its ranks, so to speak.

So, clueless fat tourists from the West will be discouraged, but, good heterosexual families and investors, will probably be welcomed.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Also, I wrote on the original post that the thread also considers NovoRossiya and even the Donbass Republics. Those can and will have their own immigration policies, and they will need (good) immigrants.

In any case, I think that Russia, in the coming years, will need all the help and foreign volunteers/friends it can get. Because the 5-columnists will leave, the Western expats will leave, and the Globalists will wage a permanent economic and communication war against Russia. So Russia will need to replenish its ranks, so to speak.

So, clueless fat tourists from the West will be discouraged, but, good heterosexual families and investors, will probably be welcomed.

You sir, are a true Russian by spirit! I can tell one when I see one.

Reminds me of this article.


By the way, there are many such articles on this website.

 
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El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
Few ears should be burning to this...

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And here's some of the thoughts and fancies from the man described as "Putin's Brain"




On another note, I can't help note that this disastrous war has ticked all the boxes in the Great Reset playbook? Massive gas price hike & potential energy shortages, incoming wheat shortages, which will likely mean famine, and subsequent mass migration wave, from Africa and the Third World.

The Western NPC are (rightly) accepting Ukrainians refugees now. This will be used as a psychological grooming for them to then accept waves of brown ones in the wake of the coming 12-18 months.

It's all too comfortable for Klaus and co's agenda for it to be serendipity IMHO.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Few ears should be burning to this...

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And here's some of the thoughts and fancies from the man described as "Putin's Brain"




On another note, I can't help note that this disastrous war has ticked all the boxes in the Great Reset playbook? Massive gas price hike & potential energy shortages, incoming wheat shortages, which will likely mean famine, and subsequent mass migration wave, from Africa and the Third World.

The Western NPC are (rightly) accepting Ukrainians refugees now. This will be used as a psychological grooming for them to then accept waves of brown ones in the wake of the coming 12-18 months.

It's all too comfortable for Klaus and co's agenda for it to be serendipity IMHO.

I also could not understand this projection by various western "whites only" crowds onto Putin. First seeing him as as savior of the white race. Then, start hating him for not living up to whatever image of him they themselves created.

I see it on this forum as well: "Putin is not on our side! He is not pro white enough! Look, he's allowing brown people to his country! He is not the savior of Christianity!"

He never claimed to be any of those. He's doing what's best for the emerging Russian Empire and its people of ALL ethnicities and religious backgrounds.

I think westerners should be looking for "their saviors" among their respective countries.

Why Putin would have American or German interests in heart? Just like why would a truly German or American leader would look after the Russian interests?
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Few ears should be burning to this...

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Ah, RT. I used to briefly date a RT female journalist, years ago, and I was not impressed, at all, by her lack of patriotic love for Russia, and her consumerist love for the West and western products.

So, I like RT a lot but I know for a fact that some (a few) of the female (or even male I guess) journalists there, were traitors, "5th columnists", plotting against V. Putin and Russia. And not even being discreet about it.

Well, a few questions @elDraque if you don't mind... When was this article published on RT, how long ago? Who wrote it, was it a male or female journalist, and, a foreigner or a Russian? Is this journalist still working at RT or is he/she one of those who recently leaved in a fit of rage after the beginning of the Russian operation?

Also, mind you, RT does not 100% represent the official position of the Russian government. Or at least it was like that before the operation in Ukraine. Now, I certainly hope that the Russian government has seriously retaken control of everybody at RT.

In any case, of course no-one should be openly, aggressively "pro-White" in Russia, some basic subtlety and courtesy are required. Plus, there are (almost) no illegal African/Haitian migrants in the Russian Federation, so racism is not a problem there. Racism is only a thing in the West.
 
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Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
When we talk about "New Russia", I am thinking we are entering a bifurcated system, both systems will not be truly "free," but I believe the East is the lesser of the evils, and it is not going to be inherently cannibalistic. It's still industrial and commodity based.

Right now the land is separating beneath countries feet and they are having to leap to one side or the other. We're seeing this split where countries are being forced to assume sides in the coming war. As of now, Hungary, Serbia, and most recently Georgia, appear to have decided to remain with Russia.

This is important because when we talk about New Russia, these countries present a potential middle ground for emigration. However, we will have to make our moves quick. This war should be in full swing by 2024, but possibly much sooner, so if we want to settle in somewhere we better get there soon before the gates close.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
If you want to leave for a reasonably free country where the moral corruption hasn't got so far yet, go to Hungary or Poland, not to Russia.
How about Belarus?

It has all the following qualities:

  • de-facto monarch, a very based leader
  • No de-ruralization or de-industrialization as in Russia
  • Thriving economy
  • National traditional cultural identity
  • Nominally Orthodox religion
  • No feminism or LBGTASS, "extended" families
  • Rejection of globohomo corporate consumerism and western degeneracy in general
  • Russkies are equal rights nationality, no rabid nationalism or Nazism or discrimination
  • The only anti-vax country in the world!
  • Independent of the west.
 

Pilgrim of the East

 
Banned
Protestant
How about Belarus?

It has all the following qualities:

  • de-facto monarch, a very based leader
  • No de-ruralization or de-industrialization as in Russia
  • Thriving economy
  • National traditional cultural identity
  • Nominally Orthodox religion
  • No feminism or LBGTASS, "extended" families
  • Rejection of globohomo corporate consumerism and western degeneracy in general
  • Russkies are equal rights nationality, no rabid nationalism or Nazism or discrimination
  • The only anti-vax country in the world!
  • Independent of the west.
de-facto monarch isn't a plus. The desire for a strong monarch is wrong as illustrated by 1st Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king
by which measure does it have a thriving economy?
where did you get information about the lack of de-ruralization? As per https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/cities/belarus Belarus is becoming increasingly urban, while its rural population is shrinking. Between 2001 and 2014, Belarus’s urban population grew by 3.26%, and its rural population declined by 23.4%.

but above all, Hungary and Poland have more freedom (well, except the vaxx I guess)
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
de-facto monarch isn't a plus
Why not? You all love to deride monarchy, and say that democracy is good. But I would disagree.

What is democracy exactly? I would give a definition. People are voting for Cheese Burger or Fried Chicken. Those are the only two choices that are provided. But there is no Fermented Cabbage. I don't care if they vote for Cheese Burger or Fried Chicken, as long as they get junk food only, no organic food. Basically a bunch of people are voting for a figure head only. Smoke and mirrors. And the real decisions are made by a man behind the curtain, pressing the buttons. Who is that man behind the curtain, nobody knows, is only subject of speculation by various theorists. Does the man behind the curtain have your interests at heart, is an even bigger question, that no one dares to even peep. Well you guys assume that the man behind the curtain is not in any way evil, no not at all, he is your bestest friend. If we just play along with your assumption, sure this man behind the curtain system can go on and even be somewhat stable and successful for some time, until the times have changed, and eventually someone finds out that there is no man behind the curtain at all, no one who is supposed to be pressing the buttons, and the ship is going through the storm without anyone at the steering wheel at all.
 

Stoyan

Pelican
Orthodox
Personally I would prefer a strong autocrat who is independent from external infiltration, and who is responsible for everything that goes on in the country, both good and bad. The true owner of the land who takes care of his people. The monarch who is very much a public figure and holds himself accountable.

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Pilgrim of the East

 
Banned
Protestant
Why not? You all love to deride monarchy, and say that democracy is good. But I would disagree.

What is democracy exactly? I would give a definition. People are voting for Cheese Burger or Fried Chicken. Those are the only two choices that are provided. But there is no Fermented Cabbage. I don't care if they vote for Cheese Burger or Fried Chicken, as long as they get junk food only, no organic food. Basically a bunch of people are voting for a figure head only. Smoke and mirrors. And the real decisions are made by a man behind the curtain, pressing the buttons. Who is that man behind the curtain, nobody knows, is only subject of speculation by various theorists. Does the man behind the curtain have your interests at heart, is an even bigger question, that no one dares to even peep. Well you guys assume that the man behind the curtain is not in any way evil, no not at all, he is your bestest friend. If we just play along with your assumption, sure this man behind the curtain system can go on and even be somewhat stable and successful for some time, until the times have changed, and eventually someone finds out that there is no man behind the curtain at all, no one who is supposed to be pressing the buttons, and the ship is going through the storm without anyone at the steering wheel at all.
you could have read the Scripture I provided as the reason in the next sentence instead of writing all that. Democracy is also bad, I prefer freedom from statism.
 
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