Cancer and Statistical Illusion

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Texas_Tryhard

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It depends on a case by case basis. As you've put it, cancer is not one disease. Since 2 was my previous number, I'll give three examples this time :banana:

1. Typically it is not the initial cancer but the metastasis that returns. With a lot of cancers, the tumor plus some surrounding tissue is removed, therefor the chance of the same tumor coming back in the same location is relatively low. However, if the cancer has already spread, then it may return to that location, but it is already in other places. If the tumor has metastasized already, there may be no reason to put the patient through a painful and useless surgery to remove a new tumor, as there are tumors elsewhere and that patient is, well, fucked. They may consider chemotherapy to attempt to kill/shrink the metastases and give the patient more time or more quality of life, but often this is an exercise in futility as well.

2. Some tumors (brain) are obviously in sensitive areas that limit tissue removal.

3. A lot of cancers are treated with pre-operative chemo and/or radiation before tumor resection. This often is designed to cause tumor necrosis and shrink the tumor so it can be effectively removed with as little tissue loss as possible, especially in sensitive areas like the brain where removing the minimum amount of tissue is vital to quality of life post-op. However, if the cancer has not been effectively treated, it may return and this new tumor will likely be "chemo-resistant", because the cells that return are the ones that are not negatively affected by chemotherapy. They may also be radioresistant. If there is no effective alternative therapy, then there may be no way to treat the tumor chemotherapeutically again.

cardguy said:
Quick newbie question about cancer.

I know a few people who had a tumour cut out - which then came back and killed them.

I'm just curious - why can't you just keep cutting the tumour out (every few months if need be?). Instead of letting it come back and kill somebody.

Is it that cancers mutate and change over time? So - it is not a case of simply cutting out the same tumour every few months - like you would pulling weeds out of the same part of the garden?
 

cardguy

 
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How does cancer actually kill you?

Is it that blood gets sent to the tumour instead of vital organs?

So - your body dies due to lack of blood being set to your liver or heart (etc).

I am sure I read the reason once - but I have forgotten it now.
 

Pepini

 
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<<...Because drug companies often are not as interested in healing you as in getting your money, so that investigation, suddenly, is diverted to the discovery of drugs that do not heal completely, but chronify the disease and make you experience an improvement that disappears when you stop taking the drug.

- It’s a serious accusation.

It is usual that pharmaceutical companies are interested in research that doesn’t cure but only make illnesses chronic with more profitable drugs that the ones that would completely cure once and forever. You just need to follow the financial analysis of the pharmaceutical industry and verify what I say.

- There are killing dividends.

That’s why we say that health cannot be a market and cannot be understood merely as a means of earning money. And I think that the European model of mixed private and public capital is less likely to encourage such abuses.

- An example of such abuse?

Investigations with antibiotics have been stopped because they were too effective and completely cured. As no new antibiotics have been developed, infectious organisms have become resistant and today tuberculosis, which in my childhood had been defeated, reappears and has killed this past year a million people...>>

in interview with dr. Richard J Roberts (nobel prize in medicine)
http://www.revista-ariel.org/index....ts-nobel-prize-in-medicine&catid=54&Itemid=83
 
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