Cernovich NYC event aftermath - attendee attacked

helmutschmidt31

Pigeon
Gold Member
A few points from an attendee:

1) Cernovich is a nice guy, and did a decent job with the event. But, the entire backstory just doesn't make sense. You do not reserve a nightclub of that size with that level of staffing for 600+ people with $16,000 on your credit card. You probably couldn't reserve a venue for that many people anywhere in the country for $16,000. The initial two venues released by email were NOT in Midtown West as the invite indicated. This one was. It is clear the two prior events were either distraction or promotion.

2) There was *no* security at the event. It wasn't that long ago EVERY dance club of that size had metal detectors. How on earth was there not even a metal detector? Anyone could have walked in there with any number of weapons without any trouble.

3) The venue was, oddly, a cash bar. Who brings cash out these days? Why no notice? Oh, the bartenders indicate it was all paid for in advance. So they gave me drinks anyway. I guess it is perhaps better people didn't get trashed, but it was weird.

4) The scene by 9pm already had become violent. I left at this time because I brought my girlfriend. One would think with the large number of attendees, most of whom presumably subscribe to the "Gorilla Mindset", a reasonable defense could have been orchestrated in light of the terrible security at the event. How is it possible individuals were left to fend for themselves?

My advice to all of you interested in creating a movement: be very careful. I don't mind risk and danger, but renting a metal detector would have cost less than the gigantic LED screen behind the stage. This approached recklessness, particularly given the large crowd in DC the prior year. Yes, it is true the NYPD don't fuck around, but their numbers were stretched thin due to the women's march, which took up all of Midtown. As well, this was the kind of event where you see just how phony the "manliness" of these people really are. The men in attendance vastly outnumbered the police and antifa. No one should have been left to fend for themselves, and groups should have been organized to walk people to Midtown and the subway.

All that said, it was pleasant to see a surprisingly mixed-race, well-dressed crowd, a number of attractive women, and nothing approaching the madness of the "alt right" faction. Maybe I am being too hard on the organizers, but I can say for certain I will never attend any public events like these again. It's just not worth the risk.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Teep said:
Enoch said:
Atlanta Man said:
He physically challenged Richard Spencer over Richard's racist views during Trump's inauguration. He has stood up for black people in the manosphere for years, and did it in real life. I respect that man.

Looks like it won't do him a lot of good once the mindless mob turns on him.

Guy sounds alt light...

The funny thing about these guys is no matter how much they try to distance themselves from the alt-right, the media doesn't care. When they get doxxed, they face the same consequences.

That's what you get for punching right all the time, and being a luke warm pile of poo.

The commie scum are more likely to kick in alt-light heads than alt-right ones because only one of those groups is going to go foetal and do nothing more than file a police report. Much of the alt-right are antisocial wieners but among them are a few that are autistic enough to find you and crazy enough to do murder. The leftists sense this innately because they are the flip side of the same coin.

And porscheguy is right (j/k 911). Communist regimes killed many, but they did so because the public was scared into submission and had no concept of the scale such abuses could be carried out on with impunity.

We in the West should have no excuses for submission and no delusions about the stakes.
 

helmutschmidt31

Pigeon
Gold Member
Leonard D Neubache said:
Teep said:
Enoch said:
Atlanta Man said:
He physically challenged Richard Spencer over Richard's racist views during Trump's inauguration. He has stood up for black people in the manosphere for years, and did it in real life. I respect that man.

Looks like it won't do him a lot of good once the mindless mob turns on him.

Guy sounds alt light...

The funny thing about these guys is no matter how much they try to distance themselves from the alt-right, the media doesn't care. When they get doxxed, they face the same consequences.

That's what you get for punching right all the time, and being a luke warm pile of poo.

The commie scum are more likely to kick in alt-light heads than alt-right ones because only one of those groups is going to go foetal and do nothing more than file a police report. Much of the alt-right are antisocial wieners but among them are a few that are autistic enough to find you and crazy enough to do murder. The leftists sense this innately because they are the flip side of the same coin.

And porscheguy is right (j/k 911). Communist regimes killed many, but they did so because the public was scared into submission and had no concept of the scale such abuses could be carried out on with impunity.

We in the West should have no excuses for submission and no delusions about the stakes.

I don't know bro. I've had intimate dealings with both. You're overall right in the comparison, but I don't believe any of them have it in them to commit murder. Sure, maybe there are a few true psychopaths, but certainly none who are capable of cold, calculated, and effective violence.

Simply look at how easy it would be to eliminate Antifa elements. Events like this could be designed to lure them into the simplest of traps. Even this event exposed them as easy targets.

What we have are two fringe elements, neither of which have any political power, and both of which demonstrate a rather poor grasp of tactics and strategy.
 

RedPillUK

Pelican
I wish people would stop using the term alt right. I'm not sure who came up with it, I think it was a website or something back in 2011, but it has clearly been taken over by the media to use as a slur to literally everyone who is right wing but not a cuckservative. Especially if that person comes from alternative media and is under 50.

They are all 'alt right', we are all 'alt right' to them. So the best thing to do is to stop giving that term any more power and stop using it.

Everyone who has been labelled 'alt right' rejects it, except for Richard Spencer and Red Ice they may have even come up with it. So whatever, let them have their term. But realise that's all it is, an ad hominem attack synonymous to racist. There's no point trying to use it to define groups honestly anymore.

Also, any news on the guy who got attacked?
 

Atlanta Man

Ostrich
Gold Member
Richard Spencer came up with Alt Right and it is his (bowel) movement and his website. The Alt Right, Antifa, Leftist militias, and right slanted militias are all well infiltrated by Government informants and many of their thought leaders are likely Government agents.
 
RedPillUK said:
I wish people would stop using the term alt right. I'm not sure who came up with it, I think it was a website or something back in 2011, but it has clearly been taken over by the media to use as a slur to literally everyone who is right wing but not a cuckservative. Especially if that person comes from alternative media and is under 50.

They are all 'alt right', we are all 'alt right' to them. So the best thing to do is to stop giving that term any more power and stop using it.

Everyone who has been labelled 'alt right' rejects it, except for Richard Spencer and Red Ice they may have even come up with it. So whatever, let them have their term. But realise that's all it is, an ad hominem attack synonymous to racist. There's no point trying to use it to define groups honestly anymore.

Also, any news on the guy who got attacked?


Personally, I could care less if it's used as an ad hominem attack. It's an effective way to differentiate oneself from cuckservatives and the equally cucked new right.

I'm really past the point of "you're a racist" accusations even registering anymore. Any white man that doesn't want to see the Western world overran is a Nazi in their eyes anyhow so I relish the role of being the monster they fear.
 
Atlanta Man said:
Richard Spencer came up with Alt Right and it is his (bowel) movement and his website. The Alt Right, Antifa, Leftist militias, and right slanted militias are all well infiltrated by Government informants and many of their thought leaders are likely Government agents.

And what's your point?

Radical movements have always been infiltrated and monitored by the powers at be. There were British sympathizers amongst the revolulationaries.

Doesn't make the cause any less just.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
The fact is no matter what you call yourself, the deep state will print a T-shirt with your brand on it and send one of their agents to your first public gathering waving a Nazi flag.

You can't control the narrative. Only who you support.
 

RedPillUK

Pelican
Both of you are supporting my point.

The Alt-Right is Richard Spencer's term. He can have it. No one else wants it anyway. The media tried to put it on everyone who follows alternative right leaning media but I haven't seen anyone come out and say yes I'm alt right.

If you say you're alt-right, you just mean you're part of a movement led by Richard Spencer. And if you let the media define you as alt right, you're letting the media push their narrative that there's a huge evil group called the alt right and at the centre of it this evil Nazi called Richard Spencer who is the leader.

When it's not true at all, most of us had never heard of him until the media made him famous with that fake nazi salute story. Just using that term gives the narrative credibility.

Differentiate from cuckservatives by outgrouping them, not yourselves. It's so easy to trigger them by just telling them that they're really lefties.
 
RedPillUK said:
Both of you are supporting my point.

The Alt-Right is Richard Spencer's term. He can have it. No one else wants it anyway. The media tried to put it on everyone who follows alternative right leaning media but I haven't seen anyone come out and say yes I'm alt right.

If you say you're alt-right, you just mean you're part of a movement led by Richard Spencer. And if you let the media define you as alt right, you're letting the media push their narrative that there's a huge evil group called the alt right and at the centre of it this evil Nazi called Richard Spencer who is the leader.

When it's not true at all, most of us had never heard of him until the media made him famous with that fake nazi salute story. Just using that term gives the narrative credibility.

Differentiate from cuckservatives by outgrouping them, not yourselves. It's so easy to trigger them by just telling them that they're really lefties.

The alt right is just a new spin on white nationalism. It's a more succinct and palatable term. And I think the idea behind it was that it would bring more disillusioned conservative and right wingers into the fold.

Unlike some members on this forum, I have no problem with Richard Spencer. He's been consistently and publicly espousing the same views for over a decade. So if he's a government plant, that has to be the longest undercover operation in history.

Cernovic, and other alt light figureheads seem to envy the mainstream media coverage he gets. The fact is he's a more interesting character than they are.
 

helmutschmidt31

Pigeon
Gold Member
Teep said:
RedPillUK said:
Both of you are supporting my point.

The Alt-Right is Richard Spencer's term. He can have it. No one else wants it anyway. The media tried to put it on everyone who follows alternative right leaning media but I haven't seen anyone come out and say yes I'm alt right.

If you say you're alt-right, you just mean you're part of a movement led by Richard Spencer. And if you let the media define you as alt right, you're letting the media push their narrative that there's a huge evil group called the alt right and at the centre of it this evil Nazi called Richard Spencer who is the leader.

When it's not true at all, most of us had never heard of him until the media made him famous with that fake nazi salute story. Just using that term gives the narrative credibility.

Differentiate from cuckservatives by outgrouping them, not yourselves. It's so easy to trigger them by just telling them that they're really lefties.

The alt right is just a new spin on white nationalism. It's a more succinct and palatable term. And I think the idea behind it was that it would bring more disillusioned conservative and right wingers into the fold.

Unlike some members on this forum, I have no problem with Richard Spencer. He's been consistently and publicly espousing the same views for over a decade. So if he's a government plant, that has to be the longest undercover operation in history.

Cernovic, and other alt light figureheads seem to envy the mainstream media coverage he gets. The fact is he's a more interesting character than they are.

Richard Spencer is batshit insane, and you would be wise to steer far clear of him. He once was an interesting character, but that is no longer the case. He is not a government plant, he is simply a narcissist driven mad by the very media attention you believe is a good thing. And really, you couldn't be more wrong. Ten years ago, he thought Jews were great and was engaged to a Chinese woman.
 
helmutschmidt31 said:
Teep said:
RedPillUK said:
Both of you are supporting my point.

The Alt-Right is Richard Spencer's term. He can have it. No one else wants it anyway. The media tried to put it on everyone who follows alternative right leaning media but I haven't seen anyone come out and say yes I'm alt right.

If you say you're alt-right, you just mean you're part of a movement led by Richard Spencer. And if you let the media define you as alt right, you're letting the media push their narrative that there's a huge evil group called the alt right and at the centre of it this evil Nazi called Richard Spencer who is the leader.

When it's not true at all, most of us had never heard of him until the media made him famous with that fake nazi salute story. Just using that term gives the narrative credibility.

Differentiate from cuckservatives by outgrouping them, not yourselves. It's so easy to trigger them by just telling them that they're really lefties.

The alt right is just a new spin on white nationalism. It's a more succinct and palatable term. And I think the idea behind it was that it would bring more disillusioned conservative and right wingers into the fold.

Unlike some members on this forum, I have no problem with Richard Spencer. He's been consistently and publicly espousing the same views for over a decade. So if he's a government plant, that has to be the longest undercover operation in history.

Cernovic, and other alt light figureheads seem to envy the mainstream media coverage he gets. The fact is he's a more interesting character than they are.

Richard Spencer is batshit insane, and you would be wise to steer far clear of him. He once was an interesting character, but that is no longer the case. He is not a government plant, he is simply a narcissist driven mad by the very media attention you believe is a good thing. And really, you couldn't be more wrong. Ten years ago, he thought Jews were great and was engaged to a Chinese woman.

He was fired from The American Conservative in 2007 for being too extreme.

He dated a lot of Asian women. So fucking what. I don't think anybody in the alt right harbors any negative sentiment towards Asians. They're a model minority.

That feeling goes pretty far back apparently...

“I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves,” Adolf Hitler said in 1945. “They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.”

As for the Jews, he's tactfully "trolly". I think the Jerusalem Post interviewed him recently and he said he was pro-Israel and wanted white Zionism in the West.

That's a much smarter approach than all the spastics foaming at the mouth about (((them))). I know it's fun...but not very productive.
 
Teep said:
helmutschmidt31 said:
Ten years ago, he thought Jews were great and was engaged to a Chinese woman.

He was fired from The American Conservative in 2007 for being too extreme.

He dated a lot of Asian women. So fucking what. I don't think anybody in the alt right harbors any negative sentiment towards Asians. They're a model minority.

That feeling goes pretty far back apparently...

“I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves,” Adolf Hitler said in 1945. “They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.”

As for the Jews, he's tactfully "trolly". I think the Jerusalem Post interviewed him recently and he said he was pro-Israel and wanted white Zionism in the West.

That's a much smarter approach than all the spastics foaming at the mouth about (((them))). I know it's fun...but not very productive.

Spencer has the yellow fever? My nigga. Granted, I still don't know what to think of the guy, but banging Asian chicks is the type of "white supremacy" I can get behind! Maybe if Spencer becomes Supreme Leader we'll stop fighting wars to "liberate" ugly ass Middle Easterners and start fighting them to "liberate" Asian women instead. I'll even pitch in to help with the "nation building" once the dust settles :banana:
 

Fortis

Crow
Gold Member
Teep said:
Enoch said:
Atlanta Man said:
He physically challenged Richard Spencer over Richard's racist views during Trump's inauguration. He has stood up for black people in the manosphere for years, and did it in real life. I respect that man.

Looks like it won't do him a lot of good once the mindless mob turns on him.

Guy sounds alt light...

The funny thing about these guys is no matter how much they try to distance themselves from the alt-right, the media doesn't care. When they get doxxed, they face the same consequences.

That's what you get for punching right all the time, and being a luke warm pile of poo.
:huh:
How is Cernovich is a lukewarm pile of poo? He's been out in the open for years. Even in his MikeCF days it was pretty obvious he was a well-known lawyer who put himself out there. If anything, he's been pretty balls deep in this scene before it was even a scene. That is anything but Lukewarm.
 
Fortis said:
Teep said:
Enoch said:
Atlanta Man said:
He physically challenged Richard Spencer over Richard's racist views during Trump's inauguration. He has stood up for black people in the manosphere for years, and did it in real life. I respect that man.

Looks like it won't do him a lot of good once the mindless mob turns on him.

Guy sounds alt light...

The funny thing about these guys is no matter how much they try to distance themselves from the alt-right, the media doesn't care. When they get doxxed, they face the same consequences.

That's what you get for punching right all the time, and being a luke warm pile of poo.
:huh:
How is Cernovich is a lukewarm pile of poo? He's been out in the open for years. Even in his MikeCF days it was pretty obvious he was a well-known lawyer who put himself out there. If anything, he's been pretty balls deep in this scene before it was even a scene. That is anything but Lukewarm.

Did I say Cernovich anywhere in that post?
 
Higgs Bosun said:
Teep said:
helmutschmidt31 said:
Ten years ago, he thought Jews were great and was engaged to a Chinese woman.

He was fired from The American Conservative in 2007 for being too extreme.

He dated a lot of Asian women. So fucking what. I don't think anybody in the alt right harbors any negative sentiment towards Asians. They're a model minority.

That feeling goes pretty far back apparently...

“I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves,” Adolf Hitler said in 1945. “They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.”

As for the Jews, he's tactfully "trolly". I think the Jerusalem Post interviewed him recently and he said he was pro-Israel and wanted white Zionism in the West.

That's a much smarter approach than all the spastics foaming at the mouth about (((them))). I know it's fun...but not very productive.

Spencer has the yellow fever? My nigga. Granted, I still don't know what to think of the guy, but banging Asian chicks is the type of "white supremacy" I can get behind! Maybe if Spencer becomes Supreme Leader we'll stop fighting wars to "liberate" ugly ass Middle Easterners and start fighting them to "liberate" Asian women instead. I'll even pitch in to help with the "nation building" once the dust settles :banana:

My thoughts exactly. What good is white privilege if you don't use it to bang all the foreign chicks with a massive inferiority complex?

I've got an Asian girlfriend myself. She'll sometimes lecture me on white privilege...right before hopping on my white meat stick.:banana:
 

AWright

Robin
The alt-lite's civic nationalism isn't going to save the West. What is being done in countries such as Poland or Hungary is the model that should be done. The Alt-right is spot on on a lot of issues, the issue is mainly with their presentation and their leadership right now.
 

RedPillUK

Pelican
AWright said:
The alt-lite's civic nationalism isn't going to save the West. What is being done in countries such as Poland or Hungary is the model that should be done. The Alt-right is spot on on a lot of issues, the issue is mainly with their presentation and their leadership right now.

Relax, Mike was just hosting a party, he didn't invite the media or send out press releases either.

Also, just because you've declared someone a cuck or alt lite or whatever doesn't mean you still can't learn from them. It's hard to do but sometimes you realise the thing that they did or said isn't actually that important and there's no need to just say "ah, fuck that guy". I do that a lot and I think lots of people on the right do but I'm starting to realise it's unnecesary.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
AWright said:
The alt-lite's civic nationalism isn't going to save the West. What is being done in countries such as Poland or Hungary is the model that should be done. The Alt-right is spot on on a lot of issues, the issue is mainly with their presentation and their leadership right now.

Finally a sane man, this TEPID middle of the road shit wouldn't have worked when the Roman Empire was in collapse over a few centuries, it was tried and it didn't.

Red Ice and a few others are paving out the cold facts (Jared Taylor being a prime example), and some have great inspiring ideas (European Colonials returning to European nation of ancestry e.g Australia).
Give people back what they lost and never knew they could be proud of, the thing/s that were always missing.

And I like Spencer, I'd have light years more time for him than let's say Cernovich who I very charlatany/sketchy/untrustworthy and oddly disinterested(I bought Gorilla Mindset and he's so uninspired and sort of bland, no philosophy, on the lower rungs of the bar in any movement he'd be in). It's my gut, I have serious respect for the guy for combatting that hellish skin condition of his, because I have a serious health condition of my own, but on that front.....but that's about it.

Her's something I thought was great from Richard Spencer, level headed and measured:

 

AWright

Robin
RedPillUK said:
AWright said:
The alt-lite's civic nationalism isn't going to save the West. What is being done in countries such as Poland or Hungary is the model that should be done. The Alt-right is spot on on a lot of issues, the issue is mainly with their presentation and their leadership right now.

Relax, Mike was just hosting a party, he didn't invite the media or send out press releases either.

Also, just because you've declared someone a cuck or alt lite or whatever doesn't mean you still can't learn from them. It's hard to do but sometimes you realise the thing that they did or said isn't actually that important and there's no need to just say "ah, fuck that guy". I do that a lot and I think lots of people on the right do but I'm starting to realise it's stupid.
I'm a fan of Mike and support him most of the time other than when he counter-signals the alt-right. I just noticed several people dog piling on the alt-right in this thread when they have a more sound ideology than people give them credit for.
 
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