Chad Read Shooting analysis & breakdown by Attorney Andew Branca (Law of Self Defense).
Chad Reed shooting in Texas
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That's a pretty callus way of talking about a situation when your kids are involved.
I can agree de escalation is the way to go... And I wouldn't have gone that route of pushing the guy... But once he threw a warning shot... All bets were off.
Frankly I think teal shirt restrained himself.
If you shoot a warning shot around me, I'm going to grab your gun, leverage my hips to turn the barrel away from me and throw you, and you're not getting away from me or keeping the gun unless you know how to buttstroke or retreat back and use the forend of the barrel as s blunt object.... (Something most people have never done and are not trained to do)
The more I look at it, the more it's looking like the teal guy got way to hot but after the push and shove he stopped. Shooter had no reason (from the video) to shoot.
He shot towards the house. Trajectories do matter also.
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aeroektar
Pelican
I want to emphasize, the whole situation is a grotesque result of the clown world we live in. Of course I feel bad for the kid and no one wants to see a kid loose a father. It's a tragedy we even arrived here, where a woman has a child with a man who seemingly cares about the child and then monkey branches to another man, all with the power of the state behind her.
But it's hard to have sympathy for people who act like that. He should have gotten in his car and left.
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Yeah i agree that he should have let it go and let the cops sort it out and play the long game....
But if i understand correctly the shooter was very well connected politically and married to a judge.
But I'm not sure this was self defense. Even with robust Castle Laws in Texas.
I initially assumed the video was a fake, it seemed like bad acting, conveniently you had multiple camera angles, the typical hysteria of women was absent, the shooting was brazen and followed up with some ridiculous justification with no one attempting to render aid, etc. I suppose this is what low-IQ white apes act like when they butt heads. If this knuckle-dragging behavior is representative of more than a tiny fraction of American whites, the country really is a goner. I'm too disgusted to watch it again, but the Aubery defendants were convicted of murder for less., there's no racial grievance angle here though so it'll probably be quickly forgotten. I doubt that gun was secured in any way as quickly as he returned with it, he was likely anticipating a confrontation. Looks like a little man trying to act like a tough guy, he probably drives a lifted truck too.
aeroektar
Pelican
What kind of fudd shit is this. Guns shouldn't be "secured" to the point that a chambered firearm isn't easily accessible.
What state are you in?
In New York the only way to legally keep and bear arms is for home defense with the gun unloaded and locked in a safe with the trigger locked and the ammo in a separate safe.
Granted this shooting took place in another state.
Hopefully the shooter gets murder 1 or felony murder and is in jail the rest of his life. But it sounds like the cops are not going to make an arrest. This reeks of pre meditation
I keep lots of guns in the house. All have one in the chamber.
I don't keep Majority of the guns in a place where I can't easily access them.
I have certain safeguards to keep the kids from getting them (namely a stay at home wife and educating them on gun safety)...
But he was gone for like 2 mins. That's plenty of time to get a gun from the safe, through in a magazine, and load. So that argument doesn't make sense.
Do you own guns or have experience with them to make that comment?
Also about the camera angles... When your in contentious divorce everyone is recording.
aeroektar
Pelican
That's terrible, I couldn't tolerate the laws in states like NY, MA, CA etc. I live in arguably the freest state.
All I know is that when I first watched the KR footage last year I thought it was a clear case of SD.
When I first watched this Texas Kyle video, I was left feeling queasy about it because of the casual nature in which he ready-upped his rifle and double tapped, and walked over like a sociopath as if all he did was got into a bar fight by arguing with bystanders.
The thing that tipped it over the edge for me was his arguing with the the victims widow after the killing. To me, it sounded like he knew he screwed up so he was trying to justify the murder. The chain of events looked rehearsed, like that twitter user said, he was checking off a checklist in his mind of what would be a calculated justified homicide. However, after they made distance with teal shirt not moving towards him, black shirt blew his “wad” too soon so to speak. That’s when he knew he screwed up and that’s why he went into defensive mode about his actions and started arguing.
My gut tells me this was a premeditated homicide.
When I first watched this Texas Kyle video, I was left feeling queasy about it because of the casual nature in which he ready-upped his rifle and double tapped, and walked over like a sociopath as if all he did was got into a bar fight by arguing with bystanders.
The thing that tipped it over the edge for me was his arguing with the the victims widow after the killing. To me, it sounded like he knew he screwed up so he was trying to justify the murder. The chain of events looked rehearsed, like that twitter user said, he was checking off a checklist in his mind of what would be a calculated justified homicide. However, after they made distance with teal shirt not moving towards him, black shirt blew his “wad” too soon so to speak. That’s when he knew he screwed up and that’s why he went into defensive mode about his actions and started arguing.
My gut tells me this was a premeditated homicide.
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With a child present yes, they should be. A retard like this douche shouldn't have had one, period. In a saner time the local sheriff would have him hanging from the gallows by now.
I don't know the law in question but morally I don't see how you can justify that. If he had turned the barrel on teal shirt and shot while they were grappling for the gun then maybe but they had clearly disengaged.
Yep. Risk/reward tradeoffs are a thing and when you have kids the best risk/reward calculus may not in fact be "have your guns as accessible as possible at all times". I have an extremely curious 3 year old and live in a safe neighborhood, so I keep my guns locked up (although one is in a small safe that fits into a nightstand drawer) and no round chambered. This means it will take me longer to react if someone breaks in but that's a lot less likely IMO than my kid getting ahold of the gun if it's unsecured so the extra 5 seconds it'll take me to get it out at 3 am are more than worth it. When we lived in a shitty neighborhood and didn't have kids I kept a handgun unsecured in the nightstand drawer and a suppressed AR also unsecured in the bedroom closet (the latter went in the safe when we went out). Everyone has to assess what makes the most sense for their personal situation and there are always going to be pros and cons to any decision.
the Manlet is a scumbag and if I am the son of teal I would be dreaming about executing revenge myself if the law doesn't punish him. This is not a random person showing up to your house, it is the ex-husband of the skank you have been having an affair with. Context does matter as these people must know each other from prior. And beyond the verbal alteration and after the completely unwarranted 'warning shot' teal got physical but following that he was no longer engaged physically he was standing still while shot. It seems to me that teal could have actually won that wrestling round and snatched the rifle if he really wanted to defend himself which he would have if he understood the deranged guy's intent to kill.
aeroektar
Pelican
It sounds like you've thought a lot of that through and lived with different home defense setups so good on you. I'd just make sure you can get to them fast enough in case of an immediate break in attempt. I wouldn't want to scramble to unlock a safe. I totally agree with locking everything up while you're gone but having everything locked up while you're home seems unnecessary and sort of defeats the purpose of having these things for HD in the first place. I've heard a few stories of people hearing a noise downstairs and finding out that someone has immediately entered the house. Or looking out their window and seeing a group of men right outside about to attempt an entry. If I had a child in the home to worry about, I'd personally have things up on shelves the kid can't reach, unchambered, loaded mag separate, or ideally one of those concealment shelves.
Honestly though if your toddler isn't carrying a Glock what are you even doing
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I've changed my mind about a half a dozen times on this case. I've been through child custody issues myself so I can empathize with the father. He should have kept his distance when a gun was produced instead of letting his emotions getting the better of him. The shooter was all to eager to kill the father and it was unnecessary to even produce the gun in the first place. Just call the Sheriff and let them sort it out. There was no imminent threat of violence posed by the father that required a gun to be produced.
Philosophically I blame the woman if the child was supposed to be handed over at 3:15 by a custody agreement. Produce child, father leaves. A case like this breaks my heart and makes me wish I lived on another planet somewhere.
Philosophically I blame the woman if the child was supposed to be handed over at 3:15 by a custody agreement. Produce child, father leaves. A case like this breaks my heart and makes me wish I lived on another planet somewhere.
Especially if her reason why is crap.
I think I read somewhere earlier in the thread that she didn't give the kid up at 3:15 because she 'wanted to see him'. That ain't a reason. Flat tire, kid was sleeping, traffic, grocery line was long, kid was at a friend's birthday party, movie ran late, stopped to get gas, ATM was broken, flood, locusts, hurricane, those are legitimate reasons, even if they're lies.
'Wanted to see him', well, what were you doing at your boyfriend's leading up to the time you were scheduled to hand him over to his father that you didn't "get" to see and spend time with your son (rhetorical) ?
'Wanted to see him' is a level of entitlement on her part that eventually cost her son's father his life.
She should also be held accountable on some level for her culpability in this.
I just viewed the video in another thread. Yes, the guy in the teal shirt tried to grab the gun, but it's clear the man with the gun moved far away enough that teal guy was no longer a threat and then shot and killed him anyway.
He should be charged with something.
He should be charged with something.