Chad Reed shooting in Texas

[Aleksandar]

What a tragedy, imagine your father being killed in front of you, by your mother's fornicator?

I initially though that this was some kind of act, since the reactions from people are so devoid of emotion, care or any kind of humanity.

He killed a man and just casually keep talking, his ex-wife and current partner are also talking like it's just another day.

As for the situation itself, I understand the deceased man, he's not being allowed to see his child, which he's legally entitled to. On the other hand you don't grab a shotgun out of someone's hand. But you also don't kill a man, while you're in no danger at all, he simply wanted to murder him.

Just another thing: I've seen so many fights because of women instigating problems, I personally know two brothers who don't speak to each other because of their wives, I've seen multiple murders online, where women created the problem etc.

My conclusion is that a man should be really, really picky about which women he associates with and if he doesn't want to have a family, he should avoid women at all times.

God bless

 

[Pointy Elbows]

This incident makes me sick. These two men should have been doing business with each other and making each other wealthy and happy. Instead, they are engaged in adultery, destructive female driven relations, and stupid good ol' boy bravado. They went to the Least Common Denominator level - both of them. Now there are orphaned kids, two busted homes, one man facing serious charges, destroyed ties between all kids and their remaining parents, screwed up businesses, and a dead man that was probably a decent guy in a bad moment.

All this, over a middle-aged bitch in heat.

Your relationships will have hard times. They will be infinitely frustrating sometimes. They might even totally fail. But banging a married woman, shooting her husband, or getting into a chest-bumping contest on another man's porch will never be the solution.

Call the Sherriff, make record, and walk away. Stay inside your home with your gun, especially when another man is trying to gain lawful access to his kids. Tell your bimbo to comply with court orders or she's gone. Better yet, tell her she's gone because she needs to take her ass home to her husband and the father of her kids and beg forgiveness.

I'd be willing to bet these two men knew each other, and had probably broken bread at some point in the past. Now all this, for what?

 

[Cavalier]

Regardless of the law. What moral justification did the low life shooter have for bringing a gun out in the first place. Ok ok it was his property but it is acts like this that cause laws to be changed making it harder for legitimate self defense to be legal.

 

[eradicator]

From what I can tell, man 1 says "I'm just here to pick up my son". Man 2: "no I think I'll get my gun and shoot you if you don't leave right now because you are trespassing". And that's what happened.

 

[Redcrosse]

He killed a man and just casually keep talking, his ex-wife and current partner are also talking like it's just another day.

One of the news sites included the full video, and the current wife gets out of the vehicle and then starts screaming and wailing in horror in the final seconds before it cuts off — for some reason she apparently didn’t realize he was killed when it actually happened, either her vision had been obscured or she thought it wasn’t a real shotgun, maybe she thought it was a paintball gun, whatever.... but she starts screaming and going “Oh my God Oh my God you really killed him!!”

Why she didn’t immediately realize he was dead, and why only one news website included the full footage, I haven’t a clue.

 

[Cavalier]

One of the news sites included the full video, and the current wife gets out of the vehicle and then starts screaming and wailing in horror in the final seconds before it cuts off — for some reason she apparently didn’t realize he was killed when it actually happened, either her vision had been obscured or she thought it wasn’t a real shotgun, maybe she thought it was a paintball gun, whatever.... but she starts screaming and going “Oh my God Oh my God you really killed him!!”

Why she didn’t immediately realize he was dead, and why only one news website included the full footage, I haven’t a clue.

She probably didn’t realize he was dead because the shooting was so completely unjustified and incomprehensible within a moral and civilized perspective.

 

[eradicator]

One of the news sites included the full video, and the current wife gets out of the vehicle and then starts screaming and wailing in horror in the final seconds before it cuts off — for some reason she apparently didn’t realize he was killed when it actually happened, either her vision had been obscured or she thought it wasn’t a real shotgun, maybe she thought it was a paintball gun, whatever.... but she starts screaming and going “Oh my God Oh my God you really killed him!!”

Why she didn’t immediately realize he was dead, and why only one news website included the full footage, I haven’t a clue.

In one of the links she said it didn’t sound like a real gun and she thought it was a paintball gun or something else. That’s for her delayed reaction. I’m not going to watch the clip a second time, once was more than enough.

The more I think about this it had to be the ex wife’s idea. Just get the ex husband to show up to pick up his kid but don’t give the get, see if they can escalate to get a fight and murder him.

 

[Pointy Elbows]

Deep down, the media already loves this case. Two white guys, locked in a lose-only battle, over a broken cause. What's not to love about gun control after this foolishness?

 

[Jacob Robinson]

This is not legal advice, but generally there are multiple criteria that must be satisfied to successfully claim self-defense in court in the US. It is based on English common law:

• A "reasonable man," knowing what the person claiming self-defense knew, would have concluded he was in immediate danger of death or crippling injury (or abduction or rape) to use force.
• The person being defended against has to have the apparent ability to seriously harm or kill the other.
• The force used in alleged self-defense must be proportionate to the force, or threat of force, being defended against. A slap or shove, absent other conditions, does not justify gun fire.
• In some states there is also duty to retreat if it can be done so safely. However, one does not have a duty to retreat from one's house (and car and business in some states) and this is called the castle doctrine. A house is usually defined as one's domicile, and not the surrounding property. The duty to retreat is good in theory but problematic in practice, in terms of what kind of retreat could have been made safely. So some states extend the castle doctrine to any place a person has a right to be and that is called stand your ground.
• Provoking an attack generally removes any claim for self-defense and in Texas stand your ground is specifically invalidated by provocation. There is a possible exception if one attempts to abandon the confrontation.

The shooter in this case was not in immediate danger at the moment of the shots. The shooter was not at risk of anything but verbal abuse as he was well out of reach at that moment and had his rifle aimed at the other. The victim was not lunging towards him. The shooter appears to have at least partially provoked the conflict (so no stand your ground) and resorted to deadly force instead of taking a clear path of safe retreat and, indeed, having once retreated instead of remaining in safety and calling the police, he returned with a deadly weapon. Using a rifle against an unarmed man at a distance is profound disparate force. To have been in a safe place, and then to arm oneself and return to the fray, mad about being pushed around, could be taken as malice and malice might turn manslaughter into second degree murder.

I am familiar with Lubbock and would expect that area to respect legit cases of self-defense, but if the evidence shows provocation, that disparate force was used, that the shooter was not in immediate danger, it was planned, etc., it should go to a grand jury. Personally, if I were the DA and all evidence collected was consistent with what is in the videos I would go to a grand jury for a second degree murder indictment, or first degree if there is evidence it was planned. And any felony conspiracy that results in a death means all conspirators charged with murder, so his old lady could be going to prison for murder as well if this was planned. One could end up testifying against the other. Given the violations of, well, perhaps all the criteria for self defense, a judge would likely not even issue jury instructions regarding self defense and instead the jury would have a choice of murder or not murder. That he shot the other fellow is fairly obvious, so good luck getting out of that one.

A good source for self-defense law information is a retired cop and expert witness named Massad Ayoob. His family came from Syria to New York a long time ago and his father was a jeweler who had shootouts with would-be robbers. Massad carried a gun in the family business as a teen, and then became a cop and eventually an expert on self-defense law. He wrote a good book a long time back titled In the Gravest Extreme, and there are some videos of his seminars on YouTube, the one titled "Judicious Use Of Deadly Force" is especially good, albeit decades old.

 

[SebastianReal]

Are there going to be charges filed for this? It's completely absurd that the Lubbock County Sheriff and DA seem to think this is a clear-cut case of justified self-defense. I have only seen the (sickening) video and read the posts in this thread, so I don't have the full story, but there is more than enough smoke here to fully warrant criminal charges (and likely a grand jury indictment). This situation needs to be comprehensively investigated and litigated in a criminal court of law, not publicly swept under the rug due to Kyle Carruth's political connections.

 

[Veritas7]

I've changed my mind about a half a dozen times on this case. I've been through child custody issues myself so I can empathize with the father. He should have kept his distance when a gun was produced instead of letting his emotions getting the better of him. The shooter was all to eager to kill the father and it was unnecessary to even produce the gun in the first place. Just call the Sheriff and let them sort it out. There was no imminent threat of violence posed by the father that required a gun to be produced.

Philosophically I blame the woman if the child was supposed to be handed over at 3:15 by a custody agreement. Produce child, father leaves. A case like this breaks my heart and makes me wish I lived on another planet somewhere.

Exactly this, thank you Sir. I've been in a few situations engineered by my ex that would have led to an incident such as this.

 

[Jacob Robinson]

Are there going to be charges filed for this? It's completely absurd that the Lubbock County Sheriff and DA seem to think this is a clear-cut case of justified self-defense. I have only seen the (sickening) video and read the posts in this thread, so I don't have the full story, but there is more than enough smoke here to fully warrant criminal charges (and likely a grand jury indictment). This situation needs to be comprehensively investigated and litigated in a criminal court of law, not publicly swept under the rug due to Kyle Carruth's political connections.

It could be that the DA does not want to involve Lubbock in the national media circus that could take place if it goes to trial. The national media thinks anyone killing anyone anywhere for any reason in a state with a stand your ground law is proof that such laws are bad, never mind that in Texas provoking a confrontation specifically bars one from using that to relieve oneself of only one of several requirements to justify self-defense. The media might loose interest when they figure out an AR15 was not involved--looked like maybe a Ruger pistol caliber carbine.

Personally, I think that is the wrong decision if that was the reasoning. If an unjustified homicide may have taken place then justice needs to run its course. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Maybe the DA will wait for the media to be distracted by something else, then file charges?

At any rate, the wife of the victim has an extremely high chance of prevailing in civil court. In Texas one's house is not generally subject to auction to pay damages from civil court, but other assets can be taken. What are the odds the ex-wife will have much interest in the boy friend if he is stripped of most assets?

 

[JustinHS]

Pretty good info here and upped 7 hours ago: interview with Chad Read’s step-daughter.

 

[Garuda]

Is there a way to have a judge make it so the exchange of children must occur at a police station so this doesn't happen?

 

[MusicForThePiano]

Reason #4562897349512 to stay away from single mothers repeal the 19th amendment forevermore. Mainstream media is silent and vile hook rats are probably hand rubbing some good voltages to this footage.

 

[eradicator]

Is there a way to have a judge make it so the exchange of children must occur at a police station so this doesn't happen?

That might sound good but police stations would have thousands of single parents crowding their station up all day. Logistically not going to happen

 

[get2choppaaa]

That might sound good but police stations would have thousands of single parents crowding their station up all day. Logistically not going to happen

Yep. This is not a reality.

Of course one can always opt in a decree to have a mutually agreed upon public place as the location.

After thinking about this video more and letting more come out... I am less confident that this wasn't justified.

I get the sense that Read had a history of being hot headed. And right or wrong he should have left when the guy came out with a gun.

Growing up in rural East Texas... Everyone knows not to trespass or you might get shot. I have accceditnally been given bad addresses and showed up somewhere and been like "thank God that person didn't shoot me" when i knocked on their door in the evening and they told me I was in the wrong place.

Looks like the story had died down but there's no way i see a Lubbock jury doing anything to convict the shooter here, and under the law... He's justified. The guy charged him, tried to take gun and got shot for being a hot head.

Was he goaded... Probably, but he let wrath and anger cloud his judgement and is dead because of it.

I'm sure the ex wife instigated... But that's been my experience of 99perxent of the time what happens. You learn to get around it and use the court system.

 

[The Beast1]

This incident makes me sick. These two men should have been doing business with each other and making each other wealthy and happy. Instead, they are engaged in adultery, destructive female driven relations, and stupid good ol' boy bravado. They went to the Least Common Denominator level - both of them. Now there are orphaned kids, two busted homes, one man facing serious charges, destroyed ties between all kids and their remaining parents, screwed up businesses, and a dead man that was probably a decent guy in a bad moment.

All this, over a middle-aged bitch in heat.

Your relationships will have hard times. They will be infinitely frustrating sometimes. They might even totally fail. But banging a married woman, shooting her husband, or getting into a chest-bumping contest on another man's porch will never be the solution.

Call the Sherriff, make record, and walk away. Stay inside your home with your gun, especially when another man is trying to gain lawful access to his kids. Tell your bimbo to comply with court orders or she's gone. Better yet, tell her she's gone because she needs to take her ass home to her husband and the father of her kids and beg forgiveness.

I'd be willing to bet these two men knew each other, and had probably broken bread at some point in the past. Now all this, for what?

Agreed.

I have two generations of retarded divorcee silents and boomers in my family. I have witnessed a family diaspora, family business , generational wealth destroyed all because of harpy divorcees with feral children in tow.

Divorcees, both men and women, disgust me. The sorry pathetic excuses of people who remarry with these people, kids or not, is disgusting. It's literally a shit sandwich with the new fornicator (love this, i'm using it from now on) right in the middle. And of course, there's always a side of kids who grow up to either be pathetic themselves or end up like me: angry and bitter at their parents inability to grow the f**k up.

I love my parents, but they disgust me. Their preferences of fornicators (I won't call them partners since they're not butt pirates) and also the fornicators who enabled their shitty behavior repulses me to the point where I chose to keep a heathy distance. They both have a type and haven't learned squat. Father (2 time divorcee) is coupled with a triple divorcee who tried to rope him into getting married AGAIN. WHY?! I told him, you've already failed twice in your commitment in front of God and made a mockery of the sacrament. Don't insult him a 3rd time.

My mother got involved with a retired hippy. Nice guy, but just another enabler in my book and comes with all of the nasty baggage of the 60s fReE lOve BS. The boomer gen deserves no quarter for the hyperinflation and subsequent collapse of America.

I was told the other day that nursing homes have stopped putting current events on their TVs because it is making their residents too depressed. Golly gee, people who remember what the depression and 2nd world war were like are starting to recall the same course of events that lead up to it. The silents know what is coming and the boomers are too stupid to accept and prepare for it.

If my wife, God forbid, passes away I won't touch a divorced woman with a 50ft pole. Even moreso if she has kids in tow (unless she is a widower).

 

[eradicator]

Agreed.

I have two generations of retarded divorcee silents and boomers in my family. I have witnessed a family diaspora, family business , generational wealth destroyed all because of harpy divorcees with feral children in tow.

Divorcees, both men and women, disgust me. The sorry pathetic excuses of people who remarry with these people, kids or not, is disgusting. It's literally a shit sandwich with the new fornicator (love this, i'm using it from now on) right in the middle. And of course, there's always a side of kids who grow up to either be pathetic themselves or end up like me: angry and bitter at their parents inability to grow the f**k up.

I love my parents, but they disgust me. Their preferences of fornicators (I won't call them partners since they're not butt pirates) and also the fornicators who enabled their shitty behavior repulses me to the point where I chose to keep a heathy distance. They both have a type and haven't learned squat. Father (2 time divorcee) is coupled with a triple divorcee who tried to rope him into getting married AGAIN. WHY?! I told him, you've already failed twice in your commitment in front of God and made a mockery of the sacrament. Don't insult him a 3rd time.

My mother got involved with a retired hippy. Nice guy, but just another enabler in my book and comes with all of the nasty baggage of the 60s fReE lOve BS. The boomer gen deserves no quarter for the hyperinflation and subsequent collapse of America.

I was told the other day that nursing homes have stopped putting current events on their TVs because it is making their residents too depressed. Golly gee, people who remember what the depression and 2nd world war were like are starting to recall the same course of events that lead up to it. The silents know what is coming and the boomers are too stupid to accept and prepare for it.

If my wife, God forbid, passes away I won't touch a divorced woman with a 50ft pole. Even moreso if she has kids in tow (unless she is a widower).

It's obviously your decision, but you might want to be a bit more forgiving of your parents, you don't get to choose your parents the same you don't get to choose a lot of things in life. They tried and as you say, failed. That isn't something to hold against them for the rest of their lives.

My parents are divorced as well, they simply both chose poorly. They thought they wanted what everyone wants, a family, nice house with kids etc. But all they ever did was argue(usually about money). I don't think they ever were really prepared or ready to have kids. But do I want them to avoid other divorced people and not date? They are adults and can do what they want.

 

[The Beast1]

It's obviously your decision, but you might want to be a bit more forgiving of your parents, you don't get to choose your parents the same you don't get to choose a lot of things in life. They tried and as you say, failed. That isn't something to hold against them for the rest of their lives.

Thanks eradicator. Believe me, "Love the sinner, hate the sin."
But after so many years of this of the same unrepentant sins and mistakes over and over again, i've grown tired. They've made their beds and I decided I don't want my family to be apart of it. I let them come to me and it is at sparse intervals.