Chess Thread

El Padrone

Kingfisher
Just an heads up. The World Chess Championship started today between the American challenger Fabiano Caruana(who is no Fischer) and the World Champion Magnus Carlsen. Backing Magnus for the win!
 

Built to Fade

Woodpecker
Hey everyone, what's your opinions on the AlphaZero vs Stockfish matches? Disregard the fact that there were some favourable "conditions"; just focus on the moves and strategy.

I don't play a lot of chess, but I saw how AlphaZero performed some sequences that no human player would ever imagine to play.

Saccade said:
This would be interesting to any RVF chess lovers, and is an important moment for computation in general. Check this out:

On December 5th, there was a series of 100 games between Stockfish 8 (the previous number 1 chess machine in the world) and Google child company's DeepMind product: Alpha Zero. AlphaZero, born from AlphaGo, a program that destroyed the world's top Go players, has made a big wave in the chess world.

Now, Stockfish 8 is unbeatable by any human; the best Grand Masters in the world can only hope for a draw with this beast. But, the result of those 100 games with Stockfish? AlphaZero didn't lose a single game. It's final score: 28 wins and 72 draws. Yeesh.

The poignant part of this:
Indeed, AlphaZero was calculating roughly 80 thousand positions per second, while Stockfish, running on a PC with 64 threads (likely a 32-core machine) was running at 70 million positions per second.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-future-is-here-alphazero-learns-chess

The program is more human in its approach, slashing brute computational force in favor of analysis of patterns of what it determines as good moves. Basically, it ain't thinking about the shit ones.

What's more, it was given no opening databases, and no other help other than the moves of the game. It self-learned in 24 hours...


If you'd like to see some of its games, 10 have been released for your perusing. I recommend ChessNetwork's videos (who is the best youtube chess channel bar none, in my opinion).
Start here:

Analysis Videos by agadmator: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDnx7w_xuguHIxbL7akaYgEvV4spwYkmn
Look at this example @ 11:26 (Move 51 for White) (AlphaZero plays White)
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 b6 3. d4 e6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 c5 6. d5 exd5 7. cxd5 Bb7 8. Bg2 Nxd5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Qf5 Nf6 12. e4 g6 13. Qf4 O-O 14. e5 Nh5 15. Qg4 Re8 16. Nc3 Qb8 17. Nd5 Bf8 18. Bf4 Qc8 19. h3 Ne7 20. Ne3 Bc6 21. Rd6 Ng7 22. Rf6 Qb7 23. Bh6 Nd5 24. Nxd5 Bxd5 25. Rd1 Ne6 26. Bxf8 Rxf8 27. Qh4 Bc6 28. Qh6 Rae8 29. Rd6 Bxf3 30. Bxf3 Qa6 31. h4 Qa5 32. Rd1 c4 33. Rd5 Qe1+ 34. Kg2 c3 35. bxc3 Qxc3 36. h5 Re7 37. Bd1 Qe1 38. Bb3 Rd8 39. Rf3 Qe4 40. Qd2 Qg4 41. Bd1 Qe4 42. h6 Nc7 43. Rd6 Ne6 44. Bb3 Qxe5 45. Rd5 Qh8 46. Qb4 Nc5 47. Rxc5 bxc5 48. Qh4 Rde8 49. Rf6 Rf8 50. Qf4 a5 51. g4 d5 52. Bxd5 Rd7 53. Bc4 a4 54. g5 a3 55. Qf3 Rc7 56. Qxa3 Qxf6 57. gxf6 Rfc8 58. Qd3 Rf8 59. Qd6 Rfc8 60. a4

Second video examples @ 3:37 (Move 13 for White) & 8:01 (Move 32 for White) (AlphaZero plays White)
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. d5 exd5 8. Nh4 c6 9. cxd5 Nxd5 10. Nf5 Nc7 11. e4 Bf6 12. Nd6 Ba6 13. Re1 Ne8 14. e5 Nxd6 15. exf6 Qxf6 16. Nc3 Nb7 17. Ne4 Qg6 18. h4 h6 19. h5 Qh7 20. Qg4 Kh8 21. Bg5 f5 22. Qf4 Nc5 23. Be7 Nd3 24. Qd6 Nxe1 25. Rxe1 fxe4 26. Bxe4 Rf5 27. Bh4 Bc4 28. g4 Rd5 29. Bxd5 Bxd5 30. Re8+ Bg8 31. Bg3 c5 32. Qd5 d6 33. Qxa8 Nd7 34. Qe4 Nf6 35. Qxh7+ Kxh7 36. Re7 Nxg4 37. Rxa7 Nf6 38. Bxd6 Be6 39. Be5 Nd7 40. Bc3 g6 41. Bd2 gxh5 42. a3 Kg6 43. Bf4 Kf5 44. Bc7 h4 45. Ra8 h5 46. Rh8 Kg6 47. Rd8 Kf7 48. f3 Bf5 49. Bh2 h3 50. Rh8 Kg6 51. Re8 Kf7 52. Re1 Be6 53. Bc7 b5 54. Kh2 Kf6 55. Re3 Ke7 56. Re4 Kf7 57. Bd6 Kf6 58. Kg3 Kf7 59. Kf2 Bf5 60. Re1 Kg6 61. Kg1 c4 62. Kh2 h4 63. Be7 Nb6 64. Bxh4 Na4 65. Re2 Nc5 66. Re5 Nb3 67. Rd5 Be6 68. Rd6 Kf5 69. Be1 Ke5 70. Rb6 Bd7 71. Kg3 Nc1 72. Rh6 Kd5 73. Bc3 Bf5 74. Rh5 Ke6 75. Kf2 Nd3+ 76. Kg1 Nf4 77. Rh6+ Ke7 78. Kh2 Nd5 79. Kg3 Be6 80. Rh5 Ke8 81. Re5 Kf7 82. Bd2 Ne7 83. Bb4 Nd5 84. Bc3 Ke7 85. Bd2 Kf6 86. f4 Ne7 87. Rxb5 Nf5+ 88. Kh2 Ke7 89. Ra5 Nh4 90. Bb4+ Kf7 91. Rh5 Nf3+ 92. Kg3 Kg6 93. Rh8 Nd4 94. Bc3 Nf5+ 95. Kxh3 Bd7 96. Kh2 Kf7 97. Rb8 Ke6 98. Kg1 Bc6 99. Rb6 Kd5 100. Kf2 Bd7 101. Ke1 Ke4 102. Bd2 Kd5 103. Rf6 Nd6 104. Rh6 Nf5 105. Rh8 Ke4 106. Rh7 Bc8 107. Rc7 Ba6 108. Rc6 Bb5 109. Rc5 Bd7 110. Rxc4+ Kd5 111. Rc7 Kd6 112. Rc3 Ke6 113. Rc5 Nd4 114. Be3 Nf5 115. Bf2 Nd6 116. Rc3 Ne4 117. Rd3

No hesitation to sacrifice the Knight during Move 19 (Re1) @ 3:33 (AlphaZero plays White)
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. d5 exd5 8. Nh4 c6 9. cxd5 Nxd5 10. Nf5 Nc7 11. e4 d5 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Nc3 Nxc3 14. Qg4 g6 15. Nh6+ Kg7 16. bxc3 Bc8 17. Qf4 Qd6 18. Qa4 g5 19. Re1 Kxh6 20. h4 f6 21. Be3 Bf5 22. Rad1 Qa3 23. Qc4 b5 24. hxg5+ fxg5 25. Qh4+ Kg6 26. Qh1 Kg7 27. Be4 Bg6 28. Bxg6 hxg6 29. Qh3 Bf6 30. Kg2 Qxa2 31. Rh1 Qg8 32. c4 Re8 33. Bd4 Bxd4 34. Rxd4 Rd8 35. Rxd8 Qxd8 36. Qe6 Nd7 37. Rd1 Nc5 38. Rxd8 Nxe6 39. Rxa8 Kf6 40. cxb5 cxb5 41. Kf3 Nd4+ 42. Ke4 Nc6 43. Rc8 Ne7 44. Rb8 Nf5 45. g4 Nh6 46. f3 Nf7 47. Ra8 Nd6+ 48. Kd5 Nc4 49. Rxa7 Ne3+ 50. Ke4 Nc4 51. Ra6+ Kg7 52. Rc6 Kf7 53. Rc5 Ke6 54. Rxg5 Kf6 55. Rc5 g5 56. Kd4

AlphaZero Positional Masterpiece as Black
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. O-O Nd7 7. c3 O-O 8. d4 Bd6 9. Bg5 Qe8 10. Re1 f6 11. Bh4 Qf7 12. Nbd2 a5 13. Bg3 Re8 14. Qc2 Nf8 15. c4 c5 16. d5 b6 17. Nh4 g6 18. Nhf3 Bd7 19. Rad1 Re7 20. h3 Qg7 21. Qc3 Rae8 22. a3 h6 23. Bh4 Rf7 24. Bg3 Rfe7 25. Bh4 Rf7 26. Bg3 a4 27. Kh1 Rfe7 28. Bh4 Rf7 29. Bg3 Rfe7 30. Bh4 g5 31. Bg3 Ng6 32. Nf1 Rf7 33. Ne3 Ne7 34. Qd3 h5 35. h4 Nc8 36. Re2 g4 37. Nd2 Qh7 38. Kg1 Bf8 39. Nb1 Nd6 40. Nc3 Bh6 41. Rf1 Ra8 42. Kh2 Kf8 43. Kg1 Qg6 44. f4 gxf3 45. Rxf3 Bxe3+ 46. Rfxe3 Ke7 47. Be1 Qh7 48. Rg3 Rg7 49. Rxg7+ Qxg7 50. Re3 Rg8 51. Rg3 Qh8 52. Nb1 Rxg3 53. Bxg3 Qh6 54. Nd2 Bg4 55. Kh2 Kd7 56. b3 axb3 57. Nxb3 Qg6 58. Nd2 Bd1 59. Nf3 Ba4 60. Nd2 Ke7 61. Bf2 Qg4 62. Qf3 Bd1 63. Qxg4 Bxg4 64. a4 Nb7 65. Nb1 Na5 66. Be3 Nxc4 67. Bc1 Bd7 68. Nc3 c6 69. Kg1 cxd5 70. exd5 Bf5 71. Kf2 Nd6 72. Be3 Ne4+ 73. Nxe4 Bxe4 74. a5 bxa5 75. Bxc5+ Kd7 76. d6 Bf5 77. Ba3 Kc6 78. Ke1 Kd5 79. Kd2 Ke4 80. Bb2 Kf4 81. Bc1 Kg3 82. Ke2 a4 83. Kf1 Kxh4 84. Kf2 Kg4 85. Ba3 Bd7 86. Bc1 Kf5 87. Ke3 Ke6

Every Chess Player said:
"Now Stockfish understands how we feel when we play it"
Stockfish said:
Stockfish Resigned The Game

There's probably even more moves AlphaZero performed at a level beyond comprehension and we'll probably never know them all.
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66Scorpio

Woodpecker
"Man I used to do a big rip of good cocaine and play chess.com for a couple hours."

That puts a new spin on the term "speed chess".

On that note, I was pretty good as a kid but I lost interest because I just don't have the patience and powers of concentration. I prefer speed chess but I am way out of practice.
 
Thehustler said:
I know how to play but want to get better.

Can you guys recommend a few books/resources?

Search on Youtube for the Chessnetwork "Beginner to Chess Master" series. Excellent and all free.

Chess.com has a ton of good content also, but I think it requires a subscription.

Also there's some good analysis of the Carlsen vs Caruana World Championship match at the moment which is really informative (e.g. John Bartholomew's youtube channel)
 
Nice thread.
I don't know if I have much to add here but I would just say how much I prefer playing 2 minutes chess. I think it gets too much of a time waste and boring if it's 20 min, 10 min or even 5 min each. You will often have to wait quite long for the other player to make a move even though there's a bad chance of him winning (and vice versa in rare cases ;)).

I think 1 minute is a bit too short since a lot of players just try to win by time but 2-3 minutes seems like the perfect sweet spot where you need to think chess and also be quick in your thinking.

By the way, maybe I'm not the best person to suggest this with so few posts but it would be nice if there was a tournament here somewhere near Christmas...?
 

The Man w/ the Golden Gun

Kingfisher
Gold Member
USCF Advanced expert (ELO 2100+). I'm sure we have stronger players on this forum....

Now that last game between Caruana and Carlsen was fun! Saw GM Pepe Cuenca analyze that game. b4 is always the kind of move you want to play if you can get away with it.
 

polar

Pelican
Gold Member
I'll second Peregrine.

I played Golden gun and he kept asking me the difference between chess and checkers. Kept wanting to move pawns down the diagonals and jump my pieces.

Also tried to palm my queen when I wasn't looking. Sad!
 

Belgrano

Ostrich
Gold Member
I agree with Peregrine and polar.

I played against Golden Gun.
With white, he plays the Colle or London System without exception, with black he chooses 1...g6 against everything.

Plus we all know that US ELO ratings are inflated.

After I punished his lazy pre-moves by easily capturing half his pieces 8 games in a row, thereby forcing him to deviate from his cookie-cutter opening systems and play some actual chess, I quickly exposed him as the 1200 patzer he is.

WPAAMFEEP (Would play again and mine for easy ELO plus).
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Is there a lot of cheating going on online, with players using computers?

Golden gun have you ever played against Nasa Test Pilot? his rating is 2550.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
Robert High Hawk said:
Chess is awesome, my work has a Tuesday lunch chess club and it's a lot of fun even though I'm new and pretty awful at it.

Just keep knocking out reps. You'll settle in at your IQ point haha. That's my take. I have a friend who is a pretty smart guy, couldn't play, but he played a lot on chess.com and now beats my ass 2/3 times.

I used to play him online with a beer in hand surfing the net and beat him down, not anymore.

If you're a beginner I think chess.com is good for getting raw reps in and not over thinking as its timed
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
B-Minus said:
That would be cool to have a single elimination tournament for everyone who plays here on chess.com

IN. Lets set a date and time.

How about Sunday Dec 30th at 4pm EST

Anybody know how to manage a tourney ? perhaps we can PM our userIDs to that one guy.
 
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