China v. Israel in the next 100-200 years

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
I've been ruminating that the next 100-200 years will feature a very interesting national match up: China v. Israel.

What makes this so interesting is that both the Han Chinese (who dominate and rule China over other Chinese sub-ethnicities) and Jews represent nationalities that have long been seen as nation-exploiters rather than nation-builders.

In Asia and Africa, the "overseas Chinese" are Chinese diaspora who've moved abroad, take up residence in a foreign nation, proceed to run all the illegal industries (prostitution, drugs, smuggling) scammer industries, and disreputable industries (pornography), seemingly exploit and subvert the natives' morality, never give up their in-group preference or assimilate , and gradually become the wealthiest and most powerful group in the country, dominating the larger native population---causing heavy backlash by the native populace.

Just like how Jews are viewed in the West and Middle East. Thomas Sowell directly compared the two groups in his economic works as similar.

Both the Han Chinese and the Jews have a long-ago storied history of grand nations (which may or may not be exaggerated) upon whom other civilizations build their own (Japanese and Koreans see China as a predecessor, just as Christian Europe and Muslim Middle East see Judaism as a base for their religion/societies) , but over the past thousand-two thousand years became traders, bankers, and diaspora. Both got their own ethnic, organized nations back in the 20th Century. And both have been exceptional at exploiting the biggest powers (US, USSR, UK) for their own ends.

It will be interesting how they square off. Both are used to subversion of their enemies through ethnic co-mingling and exploitation, not through direct conflict, combat, and building powerful institutions. You've got two huckster nations going to deal with one another as grand powers. when both seem to be low trust societies that haven't built anything for millenia but now will be seen as world-builders. This might be a true Spy v. Spy world.
 

JiggyLordJr

Woodpecker
Good idea for a thread. Interested to see how it plays out. A few notes:

- China has 1.4 billion people
- There are (allegedly) 14 million Jews worldwide, which includes about 7 million in Israel.

Even if China only dedicated a fraction of their manpower into overthrowing Israel (think 1 or 2%) it would still be in the millions. Millions of high IQ, nationalist Chinese with a penchant for Israeli blood. Think about how fucked Israel would be in that situation.

The reality is that China does not have any open enemies, or at least none that dare to cross paths with their 1.6 billion high IQ nationalists. On the other hand, Israel has a shitton of enemies globally, and get this, some of their enemies live within their borders!

In a China vs. Israel standoff I would imagine an overwhelming victory by the Chinese. Truly hope to live to see the day that Israel’s Satanic “state” is wiped clean off the map. It wouldn’t be wise to let them surrender either, as it’s likely to be a false one. Remember...

LAW 15: Crush your enemy totally.
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
Good idea for a thread. Interested to see how it plays out. A few notes:

- China has 1.4 billion people
- There are (allegedly) 14 million Jews worldwide, which includes about 7 million in Israel.

Even if China only dedicated a fraction of their manpower into overthrowing Israel (think 1 or 2%) it would still be in the millions. Millions of high IQ, nationalist Chinese with a penchant for Israeli blood. Think about how fucked Israel would be in that situation.

The reality is that China does not have any open enemies, or at least none that dare to cross paths with their 1.6 billion high IQ nationalists. On the other hand, Israel has a shitton of enemies globally, and get this, some of their enemies live within their borders!

In a China vs. Israel standoff I would imagine an overwhelming victory by the Chinese. Truly hope to live to see the day that Israel’s Satanic “state” is wiped clean off the map. It wouldn’t be wise to let them surrender either, as it’s likely to be a false one. Remember...

LAW 15: Crush your enemy totally.
I like your argument. A few counterpoints:

1) Beliefs about Chinese and Jewish high-IQs are vastly overrated. The famous study that supposedly shows Ashkenazi Jews's with an average 110-120 IQ is full of holes; while its likely the average Askenazi has a 104-106 IQ, that's not something huge from 100---Episcopalians whites test, on average, at that same 104-106 level, and no one worries about being overwhelmed by them.

But Jews cite that false study because it makes them look smart and covers for any allegations that they, ahem, get their wealth by underhanded ways. Similarly, the Chinese obsession with testing and hiding bad results, as well as the Communist penchant for lying on all statistics and cheating, makes any "high IQ" averages of Han Chinese suspect.

And that's before we get into the fact that non-Han Chinese and non-Askenazi Jews (e.g. Sephardic) test lower than 100 on IQ tests on average.

2) Many people fear China due to its numbers, which is rightly so, but Israel has a very good penchant for using other nations (e.g. the US) as a cat's paw military. Israel wouldn't directly engage China, but get other nations to fight or form a coalition against them---look at what Israel has done to Iran and Syria , successfully getting most of the West to oppose them.

Plus Israel has long had its "Samson option", where any serious invasion would mean a total nuclear attack on an enemy if Israel suspected they were going to lose. If the Jews lose the Jewish state, they will salt the earth---the entire earth---into a nuclear wasteland. China knows this. Likely, the two will fight proxy wars in Africa, which both are currently exploiting more and more with each passing year.

3) China is a commie nation, vastly overstating its own advances (which it steals) and its own unity (which it only manages through torture, fear, and gulags). If China got over extending in overseas wars, we would see rebellion of the Uighurs, Tibetans, Hong Kongers, and other second-class groups. The US believed far too much in the unity of the Soviet Eastern Bloc instead of exploiting the ethnic differences against the USSR (e.g. arming Ukrainian, Estonian, and Polish nationalists).

4) Jews, also , are not as united as we might think. Sepharidc and Mizrahi Jews complain often about the Ashkenazi dominance of Israel power, and many US Jews are torn between loving Israel and yet decrying Palestinian decimation by Israel. As the old expression goes: two Jews, three opinions.

So what happens when to giant hucksters meet and vie with each other for dominance?
 
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Rotten

Robin
There is a belief in certain circles that if the top leadership of the ruling party of China can be replaced with the right people, then the Israelis can move in and take over. Providing an excuse for that change in leadership was what the ongoing Hong Kong riots are all about.
 
Keep in mind that some demographic experts claim due to the Jewish baby boom (and Palestinian) in Israel, that by the dawn of the 22nd century, that Israel will have a population of around 85 million people! This is still dwarfed by China, but compared to modern Europe, it's quite something.

I don't see Israel becoming an arch-enemy of China, and if you look at current events, China and Israel are actually fairly good buddies, and I see this relationship only becoming stronger over time. Israeli leadership has a rather pragmatic eye regarding alliances, and being friends with China is simply a wise move, and good business, which will only pay off more and more dividends as time goes by.

Israel has already done disloyal things to America, like getting our latest military system, such as an aerial drone, and then turning right around and covertly attempting to sell it to China. I don't think this ultimately is about money, but instead showing China that they are a worthwhile friend.

Could there be competition? Yes, I think so. But I suspect the global Jewish community will seek to do business with China, rather than warring with them, directly or with proxies. Now if a more and more powerful China gets extremely aggressive over the coming century and the next one, with their soft and hard power, than I could see conflict possibly happening between the two nations. But Israel would most likely try to appease them for a long time, before they decided to oppose them, with a multitude of varying actions.

This could make for an interesting William Gibson novel... One of my favorite authors...
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
Israel is slowly losing its influence over the western world. In European countries, Muslims outnumber Jews and so the mainstream political parties pander more to Muslims than Jews. In the U.S., Muslim population has equaled Jewish population in numbers as per some estimates. Even if that is not the case, eventually they will through immigration, conversions and natural growth. This means U.S. politicians will start becoming more critical of Israel. Eventually Israel will not be as influential as it once was in these countries.

If it comes to state vs state power, China can easily out-compete any country right now except U.S. With its huge corporations and government controlled funds they can easily buy over countries with the Belt and Road project or whatever else they come up with in the future. Jewish-controlled corporations cannot match this kind of state power. They still have to justify to their shareholders why they are investing in X factory in Y country.

The Gulf factor
More than Israel vs China, it is going to be Israel vs Gulf or Israel vs Gulf+China.

Buying influence goes both ways. Greed can triumph over ethnic loyalties.

Saudi crown prince MBS flattered Kushner and there is talk that UAE wants to buy F35s. Kushner was involved in these talks although this is something that Israel does not want UAE to have in spite of the peace treaty. The reason for Kushner's interest is clear, he hopes to make money out of the F35 deal. Arms dealing is always opaque and goes through all kinds of middlemen.

The petro-rich Gulf countries are now diversifying and modernizing their economies. Dubai, Abu Dabai, Qatar, Riyadh have impressive skylines that Israel cannot match. These countries are Israel's economic and influence competitors. Al Jazeera is already a mainstream channel in the entire world including U.S where they hire leftist journalists and have leftist talking points. UAE has a space program and has successfully launched a Mars orbiter. It is entirely possible that the Gulf Arabs buy off the children of Israeli politicians with huge contracts and discounts of deals and use them to influence Israeli government behavior.
 
Israel is slowly losing its influence over the western world. In European countries, Muslims outnumber Jews and so the mainstream political parties pander more to Muslims than Jews. In the U.S., Muslim population has equaled Jewish population in numbers as per some estimates. Even if that is not the case, eventually they will through immigration, conversions and natural growth. This means U.S. politicians will start becoming more critical of Israel. Eventually Israel will not be as influential as it once was in these countries.

If it comes to state vs state power, China can easily out-compete any country right now except U.S. With its huge corporations and government controlled funds they can easily buy over countries with the Belt and Road project or whatever else they come up with in the future. Jewish-controlled corporations cannot match this kind of state power. They still have to justify to their shareholders why they are investing in X factory in Y country.

The Gulf factor
More than Israel vs China, it is going to be Israel vs Gulf or Israel vs Gulf+China.

Buying influence goes both ways. Greed can triumph over ethnic loyalties.

Saudi crown prince MBS flattered Kushner and there is talk that UAE wants to buy F35s. Kushner was involved in these talks although this is something that Israel does not want UAE to have in spite of the peace treaty. The reason for Kushner's interest is clear, he hopes to make money out of the F35 deal. Arms dealing is always opaque and goes through all kinds of middlemen.

The petro-rich Gulf countries are now diversifying and modernizing their economies. Dubai, Abu Dabai, Qatar, Riyadh have impressive skylines that Israel cannot match. These countries are Israel's economic and influence competitors. Al Jazeera is already a mainstream channel in the entire world including U.S where they hire leftist journalists and have leftist talking points. UAE has a space program and has successfully launched a Mars orbiter. It is entirely possible that the Gulf Arabs buy off the children of Israeli politicians with huge contracts and discounts of deals and use them to influence Israeli government behavior.
You bring up some good points. I will find it very interesting to see if the Muslim Gulf States you mention can maintain the level of financial/influence success you envision over the longterm. I am not so sure because Israel seems to have a much more educated and successful workforce.

The influence of greed can certainly supersede ethnic and national loyalties, just look at the U.S. Congress! And yes, Jews as well as Muslims, are not monolithic groups that operate in lockstep.

China will definitely be the great dragon stomping around the world, and hard to oppose, due to a huge combination of soft and hard power. I'm not sure just how many of Xi's goals for China will be accomplished within his lifetime.
 
All of this focus on the world and its affairs blinds one to the unseen and their affairs. There is merit in this post because of the well-analyzed China and Israel, but they both would eradicate Christianity and any form of it, if given the unwavering ability without consequence. The people of China and of Israel, will not lead the world into anything more than far-reaching industrialization and a greater echelon of slave labor through its "colonized" diasporas. The American taxpayer is essentially a slave for both of these entities right now, as most of the objects they possess are made in China, and the money they accrue and pay things with is of fiat origin and belongs to the Federal Reserve, which is privately owned by a bunch of crypto Jews, who, like most powerful men in their tribe, attribute their gains to Israel.

There is no America in the far future, just a serf mainland between two oceans. For that to change, financial and manufacturing reform must take place. This system of checks and balances set up by a bunch of masonic rebels was not enough to withstand the evil of greed and idolatry that lies in the center of men's hearts, an evil which both China and Israel employ to their benefit and others detriment.

One must focus on how the unseen forces are going to use these two great satanic vessels for further dominion over men, and the quelling of any true Christian rule. The US has no power to oppose either one politically, financially, or strategically. The "rules of engagements" in their military doctrine would prevent them from ever winning a major hot war ever again. I would see these two beasts only at odds when personal gain gets in the way, and more importantly, vanity. Inflicting humility on their ego and pride is better left undone, for it will not be tolerated, just like how devils cannot ascertain the comprehension of mercy because it is beyond the realm of possibilities for them to receive it. A far greater polluted world, with these two ruling bastions and their proxies sending out aerial strikes, dissident doxxing in virtual and physical sequences, and corraling an endless sea of mystery meat people in a slave labor empire, with a cull or so every other month in the unproductive regions. This is the farsighted result. As most of the people on this forum are not Han Chinese nor an Israeli (see Khazar offshoot) this has no benefit for us, which is why this is an uphill battle, spiritually, physically, and generationally, so that this predicament does not befall us nor our posterity. Slavery and genocide is coming back with a vengeance the world has never seen, for the last hundred years or so of comfort truly are what I believe to be, merely an anomaly in human existence.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Keep in mind that some demographic experts claim due to the Jewish baby boom (and Palestinian) in Israel, that by the dawn of the 22nd century, that Israel will have a population of around 85 million people! This is still dwarfed by China, but compared to modern Europe, it's quite something.
Who are these experts claiming Israel is going to 10x its population in 3 generations?
 
Who are these experts claiming Israel is going to 10x its population in 3 generations?
I don't remember the source at this point. I do recall being very surprised when I read it. Those poor Israeli women! Lol As I googled on the matter, I came to the conclusion that if Israel does reach such a high population point, it will not be until the mid to late 22nd century.
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
Israel was probably counting on courting the Uyghurs as their sixth column, but the chinese have smacked down hard on that. I wouldn't be surprised if Israel is attempting to migrate a bunch of africans into China though.
In WWII, what brought Mao into power was the nationalistic movement against the horrific Japanese invasion, which not only saw occupation, but also Mengele-like experiments on Chinese peasants by the Imperial Japanese (google "Unit 731" and "Japan" and "WWII" for some really scary stuff, worse than the worst tales about Nazis in many respects).

The ChiComs have continued since then to value nationalism as a backbone to their communism. They have an openly racial society where being pro-Han Chinese and anti-all other races (or at least denigrating towards them) is a major social policy. So if Israel tries to subvert that, it will take a few generations.
 
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