Churchianity thread

[infowarrior1]

We all know that there is rot within the Church visible and evil is creeping into Christian Churches in all denominations and all sectors of society. Not only is the left ideology become more and more dominant in visible Church culture in BLM and the kneeling.

But there is already a problem with "Christian" culture in General.

One example is that most of blame of all cases of Adultery by "Christian" Women on Men:


There are other examples. But look at what is being said by those who comment on this. Because Men are Abusers. Women need to escape Abuse. Therefore Adultery is the best path forward.

And note also how when Women are to be held accountable its redirected towards blaming Men. When someone notes "Women aren't being held Accountable" objectors retort: "Its Men not being held accountable that is the real issue". And so forth.

Perhaps it is true in their circles or they are lying. But there is a strong bias. The oppression of "Conservatism" or "Orthodox" Christianity that kept Women down for so long justifies everything we are going to get.

Anyway if you have other points to add about this feel free.

 

[Drakken]

Modern Protestant Christianity, with its syrupy Jesus-is-my-boyfriend songs, is structured around the female's needs. The pastors are just pandering to their audience.

 

[infowarrior1]

Modern Protestant Christianity, with its syrupy Jesus-is-my-boyfriend songs, is structured around the female's needs. The pastors are just pandering to their audience.

Sure. However Catholicism or Orthodoxy isn't immune to this subversion and rot.

 

[Царь Николай I]

The problem lies within the intention of why men are going to church. For Protestant and Evangelical churches, it is because most men believe if they follow the church rules they will get into heaven. That is their main motivation and put their efforts on the image they present, and this is why you see them acting morally reprehensible by being devious, effiminate, adulterers, fornicators and so on behing closed doors. I believe that the women want their men to be godly, but since the men lack backbone and action the women take the role of men and lose all respect for them.

Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not immune to it when located in a country that is run by Jewish subversion programming. I talked with an Aramaic man who moved to Germany years ago and he complained that the Aramaic (Orthodox) community is too money-hungry - and this is mostly what they care about. I talked to another Aramaean and he became defensive when I praised his church for being conservative, and tried to show me how "equal" the sexes actually are.

What a shame.

 

[budoslavic]

Cross-posting this from the Race Riots thread.



@JoLuehmann's thread continued:

Jo Luehmann @JoLuehmann
I am a Christian and I don’t go to church.
I am a Christian and I don’t believe the Bible is the word of God.
I am a Christian and I embrace sex-positivity, which includes but isn’t limited to, sex outside of marriage.
(2)
...
I am a Christian and I believe everyone has access to God. EVERY ONE.
I am a Christian and I do as I please (which is not to say I can harm anyone, that’s never ok).
(3)
...
I am a Christian and I know Christianity has been used as a weapon of white supremacy for so long that any Christian who isn’t actively dismantling white supremacy, is harming ppl with their theology.
(4)
...
I am a Christian and I believe people know what’s best for them, sometimes that means running away from Christianity. I applaud them.
(5)
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After the amount of abuse I experienced inside of Christianity because of toxic people and toxic theology, for me, it’s one of two: having a faith and reclaiming it however I wish to, or leaving faith altogether, there is no third option.
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There is no going back to evangelicalism, there is no embracing toxic theology to be accepted, there are no mental hoops to ignore oppression.

I’ll run toward atheism as fast as possible if the condition to be a theist is that I have to embrace any type of toxicity or abuse.
(7)
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If me saying I am a Christian bothers you because I reframe concepts you were told are written on stone, that’s something you have to wrestle with. If any identity I hold makes you uncomfortable, that’s on you, that’s really not something I have to fix.
(8)
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I have no responsibility to make you comfortable in my own space. More so as a victim of religious abuse, I will not subject myself to re-traumatizing experiences or theologies to appease your discomfort.
(9)
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You may leave, you may lie about me, you may go on tirades about me as the devil, you may ignore me... you just may not demand a thing of me, you may not hurt me. I won’t allow it.
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This is my space, this is my truth, and this is how I treat others and their spaces

She's not a Christian; she is a Jezebel.

Ali Alexander @Ali called her out.







@Ali vs @JoLuehmann thread continued:

@JoLuehmann 4h
Replying to @ali
I want you to know I’ve received threats, pictures of genitalia, horrific DMs full of really awful stuff, some of my social media accounts are blocked after people started reporting me for hate speech. All because a few accounts about your size did what you are doing. (1)

Jo Luehmann @JoLuehmann 3h
I know you probably don’t care. But you should know your actions aren’t innocent and they have real consequences. All my income is tied to my social media. This isn’t a joke to me. But proceed as you wish.

Ali Alexander @ali 3h
You mocking my Faith is not a joke to me. You do not belong on social media with this slander.

You are not Christ like and you slander His name and teachings to obtain a label you demonstrate is meaningful only as currency.

You are verbally and emotionally abusive, grifter.

Ali Alexander @ali 3h
Lying witch.

Her Twitter profile:

Faith deconstruction and decolonizing. Colombiana

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Edit. She posted her YouTube video last month, "Decolonize Our Faith w/ Jo Luehmann | God is Grey". I don't want to post her video on this forum to give her views. From her video description, note she's using SJW words:

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[bucky]

Cross-posting this from the Race Riots thread.



@JoLuehmann's thread continued:


She's not a Christian; she is a Jezebel.

Ali Alexander @Ali called her out.







@Ali vs @JoLuehmann thread continued:


Her Twitter profile:


Edit. She posted her YouTube video last month, "Decolonize Our Faith w/ Jo Luehmann | God is Grey". I don't want to post her video on this forum to give her views. From her video description, note she's using SJW words:

This is probably what Paul was talking about with that part about not permitting women to speak in church.

 

[Hermetic Seal]

That Jo Luehmann chick is simply a witch. She believes New Age nonsense with superficial Christian veneer.

You know they're bad faith, malevolent actors because they always try to subvert the church instead of breaking off and believing their feelgood religion with like-minded people. They can't leave the church alone, they just have to try to destroy it.

 

[bucky]

That Jo Luehmann chick is simply a witch. She believes New Age nonsense with superficial Christian veneer.

You know they're bad faith, malevolent actors because they always try to subvert the church instead of breaking off and believing their feelgood religion with like-minded people. They can't leave the church alone, they just have to try to destroy it.

Openly 'reimagining' Christianity makes this pretty clear. We all, both as individuals and denominations, often get things wrong about doctrine and practices, but we don't openly approach it as 'reimagining' the Lord's teachings.

 

[Athanasius]

The evangelical world has long had guys who are grifters or who settled on some schtick, like Rick Warren. I can't read minds to know if these men are real believers who've been suckered by their own greed or are true believers in the (unbiblical) church growth movement. There were men like Robert Schuller and Trump's favorite Norman Vincent Peale selling variants of "think positive" modernism. There was the socialist left represented by Jim Wallis and Ron Sider. And of course the word-faithers. Then ~15 years ago you had these emergent church types like Rob Bell and Brian McLaren. Strip away all the mystery and hipster innovation and these guys were just modernist wolves wearing new clothing.

The last 5-10 years has seen the emergence of a new character: erudite, well-spoken, seminary-educated men claiming belief in Biblical inerrancy attempting to push the evangelical movement left. This has all the feel of Soros money being spread around to corrupt the church and suppress the evangelical vote. Leaders in the SBC, men like Tim Keller, the Gospel Coalition, etc. The historical v1.0 of these men was someone like Tony Campolo, but he was never as erudite as guys like Russell Moore. Then we've seen these leftist "evangelical" women like Jen Hatmaker, the late Rachel Held Evans, and Beth Moore. These folks along with blacks, like the aforementioned Anthony Bradley, are busy pushing the "woke" church stuff, which just so happens to be causing more division, as well as using alleged abuse schedules to, uh, "correct" misguided patriarchal notions (i.e. advance the egalitarian heresy).

 

[infowarrior1]

The problem lies within the intention of why men are going to church. For Protestant and Evangelical churches, it is because most men believe if they follow the church rules they will get into heaven. That is their main motivation and put their efforts on the image they present, and this is why you see them acting morally reprehensible by being devious, effiminate, adulterers, fornicators and so on behing closed doors. I believe that the women want their men to be godly, but since the men lack backbone and action the women take the role of men and lose all respect for them.

Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not immune to it when located in a country that is run by Jewish subversion programming. I talked with an Aramaic man who moved to Germany years ago and he complained that the Aramaic (Orthodox) community is too money-hungry - and this is mostly what they care about. I talked to another Aramaean and he became defensive when I praised his church for being conservative, and tried to show me how "equal" the sexes actually are.

What a shame.

They have not been taught the Gospel if the believe they can earn their way to heaven. Good deeds only determine the reward and may indicate salvation but doesn't result in salvation. Only belief in Jesus Christ, his work and his resurrection is what will result in salvation.

 

[Stonewall Jackson]

The problem lies within the intention of why men are going to church. For Protestant and Evangelical churches, it is because most men believe if they follow the church rules they will get into heaven.

I don't think this is correct. This is actually the main critique that Evangelicals use when criticizing Catholic, Orthodox, or High Church Protestant Christians

 

[infowarrior1]

The evangelical world has long had guys who are grifters or who settled on some schtick, like Rick Warren. I can't read minds to know if these men are real believers who've been suckered by their own greed or are true believers in the (unbiblical) church growth movement. There were men like Robert Schuller and Trump's favorite Norman Vincent Peale selling variants of "think positive" modernism. There was the socialist left represented by Jim Wallis and Ron Sider. And of course the word-faithers. Then ~15 years ago you had these emergent church types like Rob Bell and Brian McLaren. Strip away all the mystery and hipster innovation and these guys were just modernist wolves wearing new clothing.

The last 5-10 years has seen the emergence of a new character: erudite, well-spoken, seminary-educated men claiming belief in Biblical inerrancy attempting to push the evangelical movement left. This has all the feel of Soros money being spread around to corrupt the church and suppress the evangelical vote. Leaders in the SBC, men like Tim Keller, the Gospel Coalition, etc. The historical v1.0 of these men was someone like Tony Campolo, but he was never as erudite as guys like Russell Moore. Then we've seen these leftist "evangelical" women like Jen Hatmaker, the late Rachel Held Evans, and Beth Moore. These folks along with blacks, like the aforementioned Anthony Bradley, are busy pushing the "woke" church stuff, which just so happens to be causing more division, as well as using alleged abuse schedules to, uh, "correct" misguided patriarchal notions (i.e. advance the egalitarian heresy).

Add Doug Wilson to the list:

Pastor Doug Wilson – Page 11 – Dalrock

Posts about Pastor Doug Wilson written by Dalrock

dalrock.wordpress.com

All the posts of Dalrock and his exchange with Doug Wilson shows what a snake he really is. Despite being "Orthodox" in theology in many parts.

 

[infowarrior1]

This Churchian culture results in such abominations like fireproof:


Dalrock's analysis:

Firebombed

Last week I had a discussion with two Christian women on another blog about my criticism of the movie Fireproof in my post The endless courtship fantasy. The women took issue with my characterizin…

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[Athanasius]

Add Doug Wilson to the list

Pastor Doug Wilson – Page 11 – Dalrock

Posts about Pastor Doug Wilson written by Dalrock

dalrock.wordpress.com

All the posts of Dalrock and his exchange with Doug Wilson shows what a snake he really is. Despite being "Orthodox" in theology in many parts.

I like Doug Wilson very much. Dalrock had some good insights but he was an anonymous blogger who I thought nitpicked guys like Doug and Tim Bayly too much. Both of these men have shown great courage and taken a lot of hits from feminists, the woke church, and other enemies of the faith. They've also really taken on Big Evangelicalism of the sort discussed earlier. Unlike Dalrock, these men pastor congregations, and there are considerations to what they say and how they say it. Sometimes punches need to be pulled (Jude 22-23). I've occasionally not wanted Mr. Wilson to pull his punch as much as he has, and Dalrock was there to point it out, but I think Doug has acted with good balance and wisdom over the years. He's been far, far more courageous than your average pastor. Pastoring is a tough vocation and these guys are under a lot of burdens shepherding their flocks. I salute them.

 

[infowarrior1]

I like Doug Wilson very much. Dalrock had some good insights but he was an anonymous blogger who I thought nitpicked guys like Doug and Tim Bayly too much. Both of these men have shown great courage and taken a lot of hits from feminists, the woke church, and other enemies of the faith. They've also really taken on Big Evangelicalism of the sort discussed earlier. Unlike Dalrock, these men pastor congregations, and there are considerations to what they say and how they say it. Sometimes punches need to be pulled (Jude 22-23). I've occasionally not wanted Mr. Wilson to pull his punch as much as he has, and Dalrock was there to point it out, but I think Doug has acted with good balance and wisdom over the years. He's been far, far more courageous than your average pastor. Pastoring is a tough vocation and these guys are under a lot of burdens shepherding their flocks. I salute them.

Have you read all of Dalrocks posts on Doug Wilson? I don't think it's just nitpicking.

 

[Athanasius]

No, I have not. Dalrock could be good but I thought he had a tin ear at times on some theological topics where I had significant background, so I tended to take some of what he said with a grain of salt. Similar to the Pulpit&Pen guy in that regard.

 

[infowarrior1]

No, I have not. Dalrock could be good but I thought he had a tin ear at times on some theological topics where I had significant background, so I tended to take some of what he said with a grain of salt. Similar to the Pulpit&Pen guy in that regard.

I read all his entries so that's why my opinion is the way it is.

Summary of the positions that Doug Wilson has written down:

An invitation to Pastor Wilson’s defenders.

I have been accused by at least one reader of treating Pastor Doug Wilson unfairly, and think it is only fair that I dedicate a post to allowing Wilson’s defenders to defend the positions I&#…

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That Dalrock takes issue with. The following are the unbiblical things he has written down in his books.

And then there is the deflection and squid ink when Doug Wilson tries to respond:

Wilson’s intellectual stink bomb.

Pastor Doug Wilson is clearly a smart and learned man. At times I greatly appreciate his insight, as with his explanation of Luke 22:35–38. But at other times Wilson stumbles in his writing, and …

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Wilson deflects.

In Dalrockian and Disoriented Pastor Doug Wilson responds to my recent posts If mama ain’t happy and She’s the boss, you’re a guest. Click through and read his full post, and you will notice that …

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The Warhorn treatment of Dalrock:

Warhorn interview: Have you stopped beating your wife?

For context regarding this series see this post. You can also see the whole series. We are now down to the final two questions. I’ve separated my final response into two parts, one (this p…

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Undermining headship in his Books :

Headship tomorrow and headship yesterday, but never headship today.

“The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday—but never jam to-day.” “It must come sometimes to ‘jam to-day,’” Alice objected. “No, it ca’n’t,” said the Queen. “It’s jam every other day: to-day isn…

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She’s the boss, you’re a guest.

As I’ve been looking at more of Pastor Doug Wilson’s books I’ve noticed that some time around 2004 (perhaps earlier*) he added a new chapter to his theology of marriage. Accordin…

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There is more if you search through the entire exchange. Even if a person is taking many hits. Isn't necessarily proof of that person's Orthodoxy.

 

[Drakken]

Christian boomers: "Why are young people leaving the faith?"

Also Christian boomers: "So I invite folks just to put some words to action here. And if we need to find somebody that needs to have their shoes shined, we need to just go right on over and shine their shoes." —Dan Cathy, CEO of Chic-Fil-A

Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you.
– Flannery O’Connor

 

[MichaelWitcoff]

It's really not until you look through Church Father quotes on women and relationships that you begin to realize how unbelievably cucked modern Churchianity truly is.

 

[Timothy Crow]

All of them are clowns, I'm with Peter Popoff. He has a stupid squinty face, ridiculous voice and mannerisms and just oozes fake. But...he has magic spring water that he will sell you. You sprinkle on your check book and whalla! A million dollars in your bank account, can't beat that.

Or, what about Jimmy Swaggart, he has his own bible and get this, the words of Swaggart are inbedded in the text and printed in red, he can't make you rich though like Peter.

Or the Bruce Lee preacher, what is his name? Oh yeah, Joseph Prince, he will sell you the lord's supper kit that will absolutely change/give you your life, health and happiness back, still not Peter.

I don't even stop and look at the women preachers, they don't have anything but loud mouths, I have a wife, I don't need to listen to some other woman, especially one who is in rebellion against God.