Collapse in British Nightclubs

Surreyman

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Disco_Volante said:
Their growing population of Muslims don't attend clubs.

And for the rest, maybe they've realized chasing tail in anglo clubs is a waste of time.

I'm wondering if the prevalence of sexual harassment from gameless men of certain cultures is having an effect in London.

I've been out in London and seen this first hand. It wasn't 'caveman game' it was 'eve teasing'. Straight up IRT shit from the buses of Delhi.

I don't want to tar everyone from South Asia with the same brush, obviously it only takes about 5% doing this shit to make a problem.
 
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SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Main street kinda gets it:

Millennials know that the special interest leisure activities that they’ve researched online are more likely to lead to finding suitable partners than drunken fumbles in a sticky-floored club. Or else there are dating sites.

Ross Williams, founder of dating group Venntro, says that the days of heading to a nightclub with the aim of meeting the partner of your dreams are long gone. “You might go to a club to dance with friends but not to meet new people,” he said. “I could be on the 6am train to Waterloo and my phone gives me access to far more suitable partners than I could ever find in a sweaty night club.”

Alas, the SJWs have to chime in and make it all about them:

Sophie Wilkinson, news editor of women’s lifestyle website The Debrief, says that nightclub bouncers are often focused on preventing drunken fights rather than harassment of female clubbers. “I think websites such as Tinder provide a safer environment for women – it’s a bit easier to filter out any baddies if you are behind a screen.”
 

Samseau

Owl
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The collapse in British nightclubs mirrors exactly what I said about the future of game here:

For single young guys they are looking at a steep wall to climb. I wouldn't want to be a single young man at 18 today unless I was very photogenic for online game. For the other 95% of men, mass cold approaching won't be effective nor will most bar game unless he is willing to spend an ungodly amount of time mastering the cold approach against technology that is increasingly alienating people into virtual worlds. He's basically forced into social circle game to get above-average women which places him at the mercy of his SJW friends in school. He's fucked to try and do things like we once did, approach chicks at bars, clubs, or streets non-stop. Doing that in the future will probably just get you recorded by some dude's night vision smartphone then uploaded to facebook for people to blacklist you from other bars. The cockblocks will be virtual but they will still be real. All of this is a function of decreasing amounts of young women being pursued by an ever larger single-male demographic.

By the way, being recorded by some dude's smartphone at night?


The white knights and feminists are already doing it. Imagine what will happen as technology improves and feminist power increases? Obviously we can hope we are successful at curbing feminist power but if we fail the future is beyond bleak for men, gentlemen.
 

Biologist

Kingfisher
Gold Member
This is very sad news, but I think the reasons as to why this is happening are quite clear.

The way I see it is that there are two main factors at play:

1) Technology: dating/hookup apps and websites, coupled with the prevalence of smartphones, means that women can get get cock whenever they want. They don't need to waste their money and time going out to fish for guys to fuck. This means that less women are going out to nightclubs, and of course, this leads to less men going out as well (guys will often avoid going out to venues if they know that ratios are bad).

2) Less disposable income: middle and lower income earners have less disposable income than they did 10 years ago. They simply cannot afford to go out to nightclubs as often as they used to (maybe they cannot afford going out at all).
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
I am still a firm believer in the here and now beating the likes of Tinder. A girl can go cold or rationalize their matches but when that McStudley is right in front of her he can get the upper hand. Unless she is socially retarded.
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
Samseau said:
For single young guys they are looking at a steep wall to climb. I wouldn't want to be a single young man at 18 today unless I was very photogenic for online game. For the other 95% of men, mass cold approaching won't be effective nor will most bar game unless he is willing to spend an ungodly amount of time mastering the cold approach against technology that is increasingly alienating people into virtual worlds. He's basically forced into social circle game to get above-average women which places him at the mercy of his SJW friends in school. He's fucked to try and do things like we once did, approach chicks at bars, clubs, or streets non-stop. Doing that in the future will probably just get you recorded by some dude's night vision smartphone then uploaded to facebook for people to blacklist you from other bars. The cockblocks will be virtual but they will still be real. All of this is a function of decreasing amounts of young women being pursued by an ever larger single-male demographic.

I liked it then Sammy, and I liked it now. Wise words, and probably very prophetic.
 
N°6 said:
Dangerously loud music (shown to create anxiety and a sense of isolation to cause people to drink more) makes socialising impossible

That's interesting. Do you have any sources for this? I'm aware that clubs are basically moderately savvy businessmen preying on hordes of clueless young men, so this wouldn't surprise me.
 

StrikeBack

Ostrich
Gold Member
Phoenix said:
N°6 said:
Dangerously loud music (shown to create anxiety and a sense of isolation to cause people to drink more) makes socialising impossible

That's interesting. Do you have any sources for this? I'm aware that clubs are basically moderately savvy businessmen preying on hordes of clueless young men, so this wouldn't surprise me.

I don't have any source handy, but I heard the exact same thing quoted by a friend of my mum who used to be a popular club DJ back in the 80s when club owners first learned of this research. Since then, it's been a race to higher and higher decibels.

Regarding the topic, I think it's similar in Australia. While night clubs have gone down in numbers, bars with equally loud music and a lot more seats (thus making approaches a thousand times harder, particularly with girls all going out in mixed groups) are now everywhere. Similarly, small restaurants, desert / appetizer places have mushroomed all over my city, and there are significantly more cute girls in those (usually on a date or with a group of girls) than live music venues or night clubs that I've been to lately. They are all venues where people get to spend lots of money among groups of people they already know, and terrible for meeting and socialising with new people.
 

N°6

Ostrich
Phoenix said:
N°6 said:
Dangerously loud music (shown to create anxiety and a sense of isolation to cause people to drink more) makes socialising impossible

That's interesting. Do you have any sources for this? I'm aware that clubs are basically moderately savvy businessmen preying on hordes of clueless young men, so this wouldn't surprise me.

Here's the abstract to what I believe was the original study by a French professor.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=443B8813FE2E97EAE3FC95F4BA2FC3FC.f04t01

More: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sour...=2&ie=UTF-8#q=loud+nightclub+music+drink+more
Other studies found that poor interior design increased aggression among customers too.
 

spokepoker

Hummingbird
Take those old broken down empty post-night club locations and turn them into Gentlemen's Clubs.
Nice easy background music, don't need to invest in huge speaker system.
Warm polished wood furniture, deep faux leather seats.
Bouncer keeps the bitches out.
Is indoor smoking outlawed in Britain? Are cigar/pipe lounges an exception?
 
I like the idea of these gentlemen's clubs. And smoking needs to make a comeback too. Men were men and women were women before the anti-smoking Nazis made it practically illegal.
 

Sonoma

Pelican
In San Francisco the bars are alive and well- few cover charges, relatively cheap drinks and a lot of young people.

On a racial note-
One thing I've noticed that kind of dooms a club is when an abundance of black people go, and after that the white people tend to not show up as much. I've stepped into black clubs before that tend to come across as ghetto, with a lot of staring and a lot of dudes kind of sitting around eyeing the few women in the room. Compare that to one of my favorite dive bars, which is often short on women, but has cheap drinks and a lot of dudes getting hammered giving zero fucks about the ratio
 

rudebwoy

Peacock
Gold Member
I think the biggest thing is the economy, clubs tend to run on the money men spend on them. Less men working means less money for non-essential stuff like clubs.
Women in general never spend money in nightclubs, not when they know some bouncer will let them in for free or some chump will buy them a drink or two.
Partying in London, is very expensive. For what I pay on a night out, I could miss a few weekends and with the money plan a nice getaway in Europe. This would yield me much better results.
 

NewMeta

Kingfisher
rudebwoy said:
I think the biggest thing is the economy, clubs tend to run on the money men spend on them. Less men working means less money for non-essential stuff like clubs.
Women in general never spend money in nightclubs, not when they know some bouncer will let them in for free or some chump will buy them a drink or two.
Partying in London, is very expensive. For what I pay on a night out, I could miss a few weekends and with the money plan a nice getaway in Europe. This would yield me much better results.

^ the money issue is huge. Over the course of a year, if you're a regular clubber you are spending hundreds of £ which couldve actually amounted to a decent holiday in Eastern Europe or wherever your favourite place is. And all you had to do was not be a pisshead every week of the year.

It's a shame I still enjoy going out on a night out, just not in the UK, when I travel abroad though, especially hotter, cheaper countries it's way more fun.

Pub's are still great I think, its got some pros:

1. Music is not as loud so you can actually talk.
2. Beer gardens are fun to hangout in during the summer.
3. No entry fee.
4. Generally lower cost of beer (generally).
5. Doesn't close late, if you like getting up early such as myself you aren't tempted to stay out for as long as possible.
 

zatara

Kingfisher
There are a number of factors at work:

- More people hooking up via Tinder or similar, so not as desperate to go out to the club. Its usually the single people in any group who push it to the club.
- Less disposable income, so people are less likely to spend £10+ cover. House parties/pubs are so much cheaper
- And a more subtle one: Ibiza's megaclubs becoming more mainstream + very cheap EU flights means a LOT more people under 30 have experienced it at least once. Or have experienced world class clubs elsewhere in the world. Once you experience a world class club its very, very hard to justify going out to your local basement room "club".

It's basically an evolve or die situation. Clubs need to start offering value to justify their premium cost over pubs - better venues, better sound systems, better light shows etc. The days of whats basically a pub with darker lighting charging £10 cover are dying. This is a good thing.
 

Kieran

Pelican
Gold Member
I don't really agree. Nightlife has just shifted away from being about the big clubs to being more about the smaller gastro-pubs, cocktail bars, etc. People are still going out - girls are still going out.
 
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