Collapse in British Nightclubs

There are a million and one reasons; it's a death by a thousand cuts scenario. I have friends who own nightclub businesses from small clubs to large chains; none are doing very well. I live in a 1,000,000+ city and Friday nights are so quiet it's eerie. 10 years ago I would go out Thursday/Friday/Saturday and the city was jumping each night.

In no significant order:

The smoking ban. It may have happened nearly 10 years ago but the clubs never recovered from this.

The credit crunch. So many people partied the naughties away on borrowed money and house price inflation money. Almost overnight I went from seeing Cristal every evening at my friend's club to not once since. Seriously.

Low wages for young people. This situation seems to be getting worse.

Housing costs for young people. I've heard that many youngsters spend 50% of their wages on rent. Does;t leave much left over for going out.

Weekend millionaire syndrome. It seems to me that your average guy would rather go out once per month and drop a few hundred quid so he can pretend to be a baller and brag on Facebook/Instagram.

The high cost of drugs. Cocaine has tripled in price in the last 10 years.

Competition from supermarkets. Low priced drinks make drinking at home a no brainer for a lot of people.

24 hour opening at multiple venues has saturated the market. The number of slices in the pie is too large and lots of places cannot cope.

Restaurant bars are scooping up lots of the traditional club punters.

Commercial rents are on the up again. Business rates (business tax) are ridiculous for nightclubs. Many local authorities are actively trying to reduce the number of night time venues, so licencing can be expensive and a general pain in the ass.

Taxis have become very pricey also. Public transport at night is either non existent or bloody dangerous.

ID checks. When I was young, getting into clubs and pubs underage was very easy. Nobody cared. We had our own pub in the city centre when I was at school that was 99% our 6th Form (15-18 year olds). That would be impossible now.


This is on top of the reasons others have mentioned in the thread; Tinder etc.
 

mogsy

Sparrow
Thought i would do a quick update as a recent visit to a club did annoy me, recently I went to a extremely poor nightclub that was meant to be the best in the area, it was a scam from the start to the finish, it makes going to a club to meet people into a chore.

Firstly the queue to the place was at least 50 people deep which meant a 30 minute wait at gone 1am, bouncers are rude and not friendly (Understandable given the customers states), eventually get to the door to be charged £10 for a place that will now be open less than 2 hours. Get into the place, can't move from all the people, after the now 45 minute wait its time to get a drink, spend 10 minutes trying to find the best bar to go to, find one and have to wait 15 minutes to be served. Great finally get to speak to the bar man, only to be told they have no glasses left, great off to another bar and another only to be stuck in queues and no hope in sight. Decide to come back to the first bar and see people now getting drinks, wait another 10 minutes listen to the drunk stories of the kid next to me, now nearly 2 hours from the last drink and the idea to go to this club I manage to get to buy a basic beer in a can for £6. With the hassle of going through this all the time its no wonder people have a bad attitude if they feel they are being taken for a ride, I'll not speak about the women as they were loud, had attitude and thought they owned the place.

With nights like this I realise how day game can be very attractive to people.
 

jbkunt2

Woodpecker
The bar and nightclub scene in the UK is alive and well. There are freaky a ridiculous amount of nightclubs in England to begin with.

A town here in the US of 50k people will have a handful of bars. Back in England, it will have 30 or so.
 

rpg

Ostrich
One of the best bars in town here is run by the son of a rich dad. Bar barely breaks even. Dad put him up in business for something to do and son still lives at home. With $4 imports and $3 domestic beers how does anybody expect to make money? Mixed drinks are $8. Most cheapskates still stick with Budlight.
Ladies are not putting much effort into fixing themselves up and going out so their numbers are low.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
I have always admired the confectionery & drinks hustle many entertainment places make.

Worked in a cinema. Large tub of popcorn:£4.50 at the time of 2011. The popcorn came in large sleeves in cardboard boxes with 4 to a box. Each box cost 50p to buy from the manufacturer.

Most bars and clubs have cheap shitty vodka. Even the mid-range places don't do Russian standard or Smirnoff quality. Each case of 10 1 litre bottles cost less than a tenner. A shot of vodka on Friday/saturday outside of London would set you back £3.00 A double:4:50.

Its a quick buck making enterprise and the you see typical commercial rents at 18-24 months to guarantee income on the premises for the building owner. Its a win-win. The only places which stay open for longer are chains and they're soulless.
 

Thoroughbred

Woodpecker
Gold Member
The Dance music club heyday was always late 90's to early 00's. At that time, dance music was new (to the mainstream) exiting and prolific. International Dj's truly were the worlds new superstars and commanded legions of fans.

And all this was pre social media.

Also, drugs were pure, high quality and prolific. This added to the international cult like status of what was going on.
These days, I hear the market is flooded with absolute trash made by small time crims trying to cash in. Added to this the current crop of narcotics has what you would call more antisocial effects which doesn't do much for the vibe at the parties.

There are a fair few good behavioural science/game/gender relational points getting made by other posters and I agree with most of them. But dance music, and the associated night club culture responsible for packing out venues, was essentially a fad, and it passed. Not much more to it than that.
 

eljeffster

Kingfisher
As this thread appears to have expanded to more than just UK clubs.

Trying to think if there are any straight guys I know who would go to a club for any other purpose than pussy. . . nope

As the clubs become less and less conducive to having fun with the pussy you got (warming it up for some hot sex after), or getting new pussy, more and more men will just say screw it.

Here is what I think is happening:

1) Because of Facebook, Tinder and other social media, people go to clubs now with existing groups and/or there is more of a barrier of being "friends" on social media raising the alpha entry costs to meet organically.

2) While clubs should be loud enough that you have to get right up to a girl to talk to her, clubs are now so fucking loud people can't even understand each other then awkwardness of (whaaat?) = less pussy drippings

3) Spastic ADHD had a baby with an epileptic DJ's cutting songs into genetic freak mixing 10 second "clips" messes with dancing. Playing entire 3-4 minute songs was a good way to dance with one girl for a song, dance with another etc.

4) Everything that has been said here about expense.
 
eljeffster said:
As this thread appears to have expanded to more than just UK clubs.

Trying to think if there are any straight guys I know who would go to a club for any other purpose than pussy. . . nope

Yeah - men go for pussy, but the thing is this - money is the main reason:

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This is the official (ahem) unemployment rate for 16-24 year olds. The 25-30 demographic does not look much better.

So disposable income for the 18-30 crowd is all important - and especially to the male crowd, since female expenditure does not really count. Anyone heard of the mancession? It's real as young women get much easier employment in the bullshit jobs than men in our times.

1. Money
2. Technological changes
- online dating, especially for the hotties - they can go straight for the minor celeb or male model
3. Fattening, less attractive women in clubs except in top-tier clubs where footballers and sons of oligarchs party - the rest of the clubs are getting the fuglies and even they don't come
4. Red Pill is making a minor dent among some men, who would otherwise go out every week, but instead rely on Daygame, online dating and bars for easier access to pussy
5. Foreign born population - and especially of those that certainly don't go to clubs:
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This is an incomplete graph, but you get the gist. More diversity, less clubbing.

The trend will continue by the way with mainly the high-end venues remaining. And even those may shift to grand private parties by the super-rich as men can sift out the fatties and avoid the cock-fest.

Personally I think that professional private party planning for the wealthy will become a growth market. The 8+ hotties can go there, you invite a footballer or two for attraction and get a solid 3 to 1 female to male ratio. When enough of the wealthy do this, then night clubs might become obsolete.

Also - the media's assumption of cyclicality is faulty as always - it coincided mainly with economic cycles in the past and there won't be any real improvement for the majority of the population in the next years and decades.
 

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I know this has been mentioned on the forum before, but as for why nightclubs in the West are closing, add:

- Chumming the waters by bribing/paying girls to come, so guys feel it isn't a sausage-fest and pay up, only to end up hitting on girls who have no intention of interacting with anyone.
 

Guitarman

Pelican
The collapse of British night clubs has had a great benefit in another area. We get a younger audience now for local live bands. There are more live music venues than there used to be.
 

Lime

Kingfisher
If you smoke on the dancefloor, what will the bouncer do:

UK: they will kick you out without your jacket

Netherlands, Belgium: they will kindly ask to extinguish your cigarette and would even ask it a second time in a lot of cases.

Also drink prices are much better in NL and Belgium.

Not that clubs here are THAT good of course but in the land of blind people the man with one eye is king.
 
I'm just bringing this topic back to recent posts to reproduce a very pertinent comment.

"A filthy place, with a clinging floor, a lot of people sweating and crowded, which looks like a bus station."

A brazilian woman on Facebook on a story that the nightclubs were closing.​

If you go to look at a nightclub in an impartial way... you'll see it sounds like a farewell party.

For those who want to read the story that came out in Brazil: https://gq.globo.com/Prazeres/Relac...s-da-noite-culpa-e-tambem-dos-millenials.html
 

Atlanta Man

Ostrich
Gold Member
"It's impossible for you to really have fun just bothering to look good on social networks. This is a horror, "

Eternal Queen of the night Régine Choukroun

Social Media is making people anything but social, shame......
 

DrCotard

Kingfisher
Gold Member
https://gq.globo.com/Prazeres/Relac...s-da-noite-culpa-e-tambem-dos-millenials.html :

Among the reasons the millennials claim to have abandoned nightclubs are drink prices, queues, excessive employee pretension and rudeness, inability to talk because of loud music, and, astonishingly, the fear of "losing the line ",be filmed and end up humiliated in social networks. This behavior transformed Generation Y into Generation "Yawn", the generation yawn.

Unfortunately, the bold part is very true. Do a mistake, be filmed and you'll end up regretting it for the rest of your life. This is a huge problem worldwide that's happening even in African countries.
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
Excessively loud music has always been a problem for me. Sometimes it's literally impossible to hear someone even when they're shouting their loudest directly into your ear. Who decided music that loud was a good thing? It's fucking stupid and terrible for game.
 
Thing is a lot of restaurants and bars play loud-ass music nowadays too. Seems like the only places you can enjoy silence or near-silence is nature and your home.
 
DrCotard said:
https://gq.globo.com/Prazeres/Relac...s-da-noite-culpa-e-tambem-dos-millenials.html :

Among the reasons the millennials claim to have abandoned nightclubs are drink prices, queues, excessive employee pretension and rudeness, inability to talk because of loud music, and, astonishingly, the fear of "losing the line ",be filmed and end up humiliated in social networks. This behavior transformed Generation Y into Generation "Yawn", the generation yawn.

Unfortunately, the bold part is very true. Do a mistake, be filmed and you'll end up regretting it for the rest of your life. This is a huge problem worldwide that's happening even in African countries.

If that was one of the problems... it was only forbidding the entry of cell phones... nobody would die if they stayed 6/12 hours a week without being connected to the Internet.

The silver bullet for death of the nightclubs is in the first answer (#2) of the topic.
 
Elmore said:

I read a story about nightclubs in Brazil in the 1990s, in which people reported drinking soda and eating popcorn... that would also be unfeasible these days.

Let's try to figure out why they have become dark environments...

- Dark paint makes the environment does not need to be impeccably clean;

- Low lighting gives more chances to the ugliest people.
 
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