College is just not worth it anymore

Saintscarborough

Chicken
Orthodox
I completely agree that college is a waste of time these days, not only because it is an debt trap, but also because the content and subject matter taught at these schools only further pushes the global technocracy agenda.
A lot of men will say that liberal arts push SJW nonsense and they are right. But they have a blind spot towards STEM, which is the male side of the evil college coin. The graduates are promised jobs with money and high social status only to work for corporations and industries that have their goals to control and exploit the population ex.big tech, big pharma, food and health industries. STEM is a more powerful and revolutionary force than any BLM or feminist movement they push on the other side.
Therefore college is not bad only because of its economic inviability but also because it puts young men and women onto revolutionary paths of cultural or technological revolution.
 

pero2pero

Chicken
Oriental Orthodox
Are there any medical doctor on this forum?
I am applying to the med uni soon but the process is cold and unwelcoming. I have very good grades/scores but am wondering if it is worth it.

Is it true that once accepted people are friendlier and it gets better?
 

CaliforniaBased

Woodpecker
Catholic
Are there any medical doctor on this forum?
I am applying to the med uni soon but the process is cold and unwelcoming. I have very good grades/scores but am wondering if it is worth it.

Is it true that once accepted people are friendlier and it gets better?
A friend of mine is in the processes of getting into medical school. It sounds like a big hassle. I wont comment on whether it is worth it or not but the American medical association is a huge (((scam))) that tries to purposefully tries to limit the number of doctors.
 

CaliforniaBased

Woodpecker
Catholic
I completely agree that college is a waste of time these days, not only because it is an debt trap, but also because the content and subject matter taught at these schools only further pushes the global technocracy agenda.
A lot of men will say that liberal arts push SJW nonsense and they are right. But they have a blind spot towards STEM, which is the male side of the evil college coin. The graduates are promised jobs with money and high social status only to work for corporations and industries that have their goals to control and exploit the population ex.big tech, big pharma, food and health industries. STEM is a more powerful and revolutionary force than any BLM or feminist movement they push on the other side.
Therefore college is not bad only because of its economic inviability but also because it puts young men and women onto revolutionary paths of cultural or technological revolution.
I moved from the hood of a big city to smaller town in rural California for college. I became more conservative by going to college due to the influence of the other students, the country people, and just having to tough it up and get by on my own. I attended college on financial aid and have a degree in a high paying field. Leaving home for college has been the best decision of my life. Even if it put me 50k into debt would still have been worth it.
 

Snackbit

Chicken
Agnostic
Are there any medical doctor on this forum?
I am applying to the med uni soon but the process is cold and unwelcoming. I have very good grades/scores but am wondering if it is worth it.

Is it true that once accepted people are friendlier and it gets better?
I'm a medical student in europe, and here its definitely not worth the hassle. It takes at least 7 years to become a doctor, and pay after that is less than the average plumber. If you want to earn more you have to do a 6 years residency, during which you will be paid little as there is a large surplus of doctors in my country. Also you need at least a phd and 2 years of experience working as a junior doctor before applying to a residency. Pay as specialist (if you can even find work as one) is reasonable.

More importantly besides the pay, remember that you will mostly be working with female colleagues and idiots who hate anyone that didn't get the vax, doesn't want to wear a breathing mask all the time, or is even slightly rightwing.

I seriously regret not choosing a trade
 

Australia Sucks

Kingfisher
Other Christian
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When you bring people into a blue country with no in-group preference from the red and yellow countries on this map who have a strong in-group preference, what happens is you get affirmative action, welfare, an end to gifted programs, and racial quotas. We've seen all that happen. This doesn't help the people who are low-IQ either. It just makes them spiteful, greedy materialists like Americans typically are.
I would question how accurate this is. For example Iran and India being that low IQ? The history and accomplishments of their civilizations and the success of their diasporas in foreign countries makes me a little suspicious of the reported numbers. It does not intuitively make sense.

And a lot of African countries probably do not have good data on IQ. Some African countries on the map allegedly have IQs under 65. That sounds outrageous. IQ below 70 according to some definitions means you are literally retarded. You are basically saying multiple whole countries are literally retarded? That sounds a little suspicious to me. This map seems to have a political agenda.
 

John777

 
Banned
Protestant
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When you bring people into a blue country with no in-group preference from the red and yellow countries on this map who have a strong in-group preference, what happens is you get affirmative action, welfare, an end to gifted programs, and racial quotas. We've seen all that happen. This doesn't help the people who are low-IQ either. It just makes them spiteful, greedy materialists like Americans typically are.

I would question how accurate this is. For example Iran and India being that low IQ? The history and accomplishments of their civilizations and the success of their diasporas in foreign countries makes me a little suspicious of the reported numbers. It does not intuitively make sense.

And a lot of African countries probably do not have good data on IQ. Some African countries on the map allegedly have IQs under 65. That sounds outrageous. IQ below 70 according to some definitions means you are literally retarded. You are basically saying multiple whole countries are literally retarded? That sounds a little suspicious to me. This map seems to have a political agenda.

I agree the map looks off.

- the "high IQ" nations also look like the nations that shot themselves with COVID kill shots with the greatest enthusiasm. Not intelligent behavior.

- IQ is a poor measure of intelligence that only measures one specific type of reasoning, and depends highly on the type of schooling you had up to that point. A bush African who can kill his own food with a homemade spear is more intelligent than a European or American blue-haired "college" "student" regardless of IQ number. But, if you ask him something like "which of these weird looking shapes does not belong in the sequence" he would have no idea. That's not because he and his entire nation are retarded.

I say this as someone who scores high on IQ tests but has suffered from a painful lack of common sense throughout life.
 

CentreD

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
College in STEM can be worth it if you aren't in the USA. Many countries have free or nominal tuition for domestic nationals. Even international fees for foreigners can still pay off in comparison.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I agree the map looks off.

- the "high IQ" nations also look like the nations that shot themselves with COVID kill shots with the greatest enthusiasm. Not intelligent behavior.

- IQ is a poor measure of intelligence that only measures one specific type of reasoning, and depends highly on the type of schooling you had up to that point. A bush African who can kill his own food with a homemade spear is more intelligent than a European or American blue-haired "college" "student" regardless of IQ number. But, if you ask him something like "which of these weird looking shapes does not belong in the sequence" he would have no idea. That's not because he and his entire nation are retarded.

I say this as someone who scores high on IQ tests but has suffered from a painful lack of common sense throughout life.
Very progressive. Not to rag on the sub saharan Africans, but these are people that did not have access to the wheel before Europeans, and never built a 2 story structure. I do not believe any of them independently developed a writing system. Their languages are very simple and lack abstract concepts. Good luck expressing a concept like Schadenfreude through clicks, or drafting plans for a windmill without an arithmetic or writing system. They also never needed to plan for the future; as hunter gatherers they are always doing just that, hunting and gathering, there is no long off season for them to plan for. In northern Europe, people who cannot delay gratification or plan ahead would historically starve to death in the winter.

Furthermore, in these jungles with year round food, getting expelled from your village is not a death sentence. You can start a new tribe or join another one. A thousand, two thousand years ago in northern Europe, you get exiled from your tribe in winter and you're dead. They're not building prisons to feed you after a crime, it's either exile, capital punishment, or death. The significance of that is that Europeans, particularly in the north, are literally bred for compliance. You need to comply with the dominant culture or you die. As a result they have high degrees of social trust. Those are the places you could leave your doors unlocked. That explains the submission to covid.

IQ is absolutely an important metric and is extremely highly correlated with your ceiling of capability, crime rates, reaction times, and other things. There is no better metric. Yes pattern recognition is important. It's a very left wing thing to dismiss the importance of IQ. IQ also cannot to any meaningful extent be increased through schooling.

Edit: The truth in what you're saying is that wisdom is distinct from IQ. A 75 IQ hunter gatherer can absolutely be more wise than a 120 IQ doctor (who doesn't even know what a woman is). If you could measure wisdom, it would be the same map essentially with the colors reversed now that the West has largely abandoned Christianity. But if you take a group with a median IQ of 120 vs a group with an IQ of 75, the latter group will never be able to build the great wonders of the world like the pyramids, the Brandenburg Gate, the Taj Mahal, etc., no matter how many resources and blueprints you give them.
 
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magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
I moved from the hood of a big city to smaller town in rural California for college. I became more conservative by going to college due to the influence of the other students, the country people, and just having to tough it up and get by on my own. I attended college on financial aid and have a degree in a high paying field. Leaving home for college has been the best decision of my life. Even if it put me 50k into debt would still have been worth it.
What field are you in?

I've had the desire for a while to pursue higher education in mathematics and computer science. I am already utilizing any resources I can get for free or low cost like Udemy, Khan Academy, etc to try and build a base foundation; Getting familiar with problem solving and developing an aptitude. I feel like college is used a lot these days for checking off boxes and networking rather than the actual development of skills and learning. Which if I pursue a bachelor's degree, I want to get my money's worth out of it because as we all know, it's not cheap. I say some fields of study in college are still worth it because otherwise, you'll never break that $30K-$35K per year threshold that almost all jobs that don't require vocational training/college education have. Even if you learn a trade and get a job in that area, it still takes 4-5 years to really start making the big bucks (unless you get extremely lucky). Honestly, I don't think most of us on here want to be absolutely filthy rich; We just want a reasonable, affordable lifestyle with a little bit of wiggle room.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
Job = Just Over Broke

Whatever field you study in or trade you learn the days of "having a job" and "getting ahead" are long gone.

Low risk = low reward

There's only one title that has the potential for wealth creation college education or not:

Entrepreneur

1. Everything that adds value by solving a "problem"(creates value) is a potential business

If youre working for a company that company solves problems for someone (customer) youre creating wealth (equity) for the owners / principals...not yourself

2. Scale. A ditch digger making $15 an hr solves a problem for his employer who solves a problem for his customer. The employer is charging $60 an hour and after costs maybe makes $15. But if he's got 10o ditchdiggers he's making $150 p hr.

Solve a problem at scale and you get ahead

>Value x > Scale = >Wealth


Never in the history of man has an individual had as much access to ALL the information needed to by pass college and work for themselves
 
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TheosisSeeker

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
I mostly disagree with the title of the thread, of course it does depend on what you study. I'm in a specialized field and get paid pretty well. I would have never been able to get all the jobs leading up to this one or this one without going to school, it just wouldn't have happened. I also worked and continue to work extremely hard, always learning new things and adapting.

I would love to own my own business or have gotten an elite MBA and be making bank, but I didn't and that door seems closed now.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
I mostly disagree with the title of the thread, of course it does depend on what you study. I'm in a specialized field and get paid pretty well. I would have never been able to get all the jobs leading up to this one or this one without going to school, it just wouldn't have happened. I also worked and 1 continue to work extremely hard, always learning new things and adapting.

I would love to own my own business or have gotten an elite MBA and be making bank, but I didn't 2 and that door seems closed now.
Good on you.

Nothings closed unless you close it
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Very progressive. Not to rag on the sub saharan Africans, but these are people that did not have access to the wheel before Europeans, and never built a 2 story structure. I do not believe any of them independently developed a writing system. Their languages are very simple and lack abstract concepts. Good luck expressing a concept like Schadenfreude through clicks, or drafting plans for a windmill without an arithmetic or writing system. They also never needed to plan for the future; as hunter gatherers they are always doing just that, hunting and gathering, there is no long off season for them to plan for. In northern Europe, people who cannot delay gratification or plan ahead would historically starve to death in the winter.

Furthermore, in these jungles with year round food, getting expelled from your village is not a death sentence. You can start a new tribe or join another one. A thousand, two thousand years ago in northern Europe, you get exiled from your tribe in winter and you're dead. They're not building prisons to feed you after a crime, it's either exile, capital punishment, or death. The significance of that is that Europeans, particularly in the north, are literally bred for compliance. You need to comply with the dominant culture or you die. As a result they have high degrees of social trust. Those are the places you could leave your doors unlocked. That explains the submission to covid.

IQ is absolutely an important metric and is extremely highly correlated with your ceiling of capability, crime rates, reaction times, and other things. There is no better metric. Yes pattern recognition is important. It's a very left wing thing to dismiss the importance of IQ. IQ also cannot to any meaningful extent be increased through schooling.

Edit: The truth in what you're saying is that wisdom is distinct from IQ. A 75 IQ hunter gatherer can absolutely be more wise than a 120 IQ doctor (who doesn't even know what a woman is). If you could measure wisdom, it would be the same map essentially with the colors reversed now that the West has largely abandoned Christianity. But if you take a group with a median IQ of 120 vs a group with an IQ of 75, the latter group will never be able to build the great wonders of the world like the pyramids, the Brandenburg Gate, the Taj Mahal, etc., no matter how many resources and blueprints you give them.

IQ is necessary but not sufficient for higher civilization.
 

John777

 
Banned
Protestant
Edit: The truth in what you're saying is that wisdom is distinct from IQ. A 75 IQ hunter gatherer can absolutely be more wise than a 120 IQ doctor (who doesn't even know what a woman is). If you could measure wisdom, it would be the same map essentially with the colors reversed now that the West has largely abandoned Christianity. But if you take a group with a median IQ of 120 vs a group with an IQ of 75, the latter group will never be able to build the great wonders of the world like the pyramids, the Brandenburg Gate, the Taj Mahal, etc., no matter how many resources and blueprints you give them.

Yes, wisdom is another way to look at it, although I think of common sense as distinct from wisdom, which is also distinct from the type of abstract, logical reasoning tested for by IQ tests.

In terms of traditional wisdom, as in tribal or social wisdom that is passed down generation to generation, you would probably agree with me that Africans and other traditional cultures outrank Western nations in that regard too.

Conceiving, engineering, and constructing things like the great wonders of the world requires a different type of skill and intelligence, which is a higher form of logos compared to traditional wisdom. Traditional wisdom is closer to the animal level of logos although above it.

When I say "logos" I'm referring to thoughts, words, reasoning, argument, everything expressed in thought, language, or speech. So the logos of a specific form of engineering, construction, mechanics, blacksmithing, pottery-making, electrical wiring, well-drilling, thermodynamics, you name it, all have their own unique and specific logos. At the same time there is a universal logos of God, His mind and reasoning, infinitely higher than ours. Then there is the Incarnate Logos, the Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is how I am using the word logos. It is a neutral word like "logic" or "word" but takes on a special meaning in the context of the Son of God. Anyway, the abstract reasoning, communication skills, transmission of accumulated written knowledge, and generally better ability to conceive and execute complex things, is a higher form of logos. This is what IQ tests are trying to get at, in my mind. Whether they achieve it or not is a different discussion but that is the goal.

I think the Northern cultures, both the northern Europeans (Nordics/Vikings, Germanics, Celtics, Anglo-Saxons, etc.) and the northern Steppe peoples like the eastern Russians and Mongolians, developed a higher form of logos. That was due to necessity of survival in the cold regions, which required ingenuity, intelligence, and accumulated knowledge for men to survive, provide, and protect. Then, the women who were as now equal heirs in the grace of God, developed higher logos to communicate and provide proper companionship and help to those higher-logos men. Also, a higher level of physical strength, resistance to fatigue, dedication to hard work, etc. which would have been necessary for survival.

This is true for any race living in a harsh environment, so it applies to Arabs and other desert people too, provided the environment is harsh enough.

God, in my opinion, engineered this as He does to bring about the rise and fall of human races according to His will. After all as He said, God can raise up sons of Abraham from the stones if He so chooses. In my opinion He chooses His people in the last days for reasons independent of their racial origin. I am aware of the good points in this thread about why racial groups should generally stick together, and I agree. God naturally engineers races to stick together, with geographic, language, social, and military boundaries. The melting pot of the last days is a test where the entire world turns toward evil due to too much contact with outsiders, destroying tradition. That is what previously only happened in coastal trading cities like Tyre and Sidon.

Very progressive. Not to rag on the sub saharan Africans, but these are people that did not have access to the wheel before Europeans, and never built a 2 story structure. I do not believe any of them independently developed a writing system. Their languages are very simple and lack abstract concepts. Good luck expressing a concept like Schadenfreude through clicks, or drafting plans for a windmill without an arithmetic or writing system. They also never needed to plan for the future; as hunter gatherers they are always doing just that, hunting and gathering, there is no long off season for them to plan for. In northern Europe, people who cannot delay gratification or plan ahead would historically starve to death in the winter.

This is a good point. These people basically live in Eden where food is plentiful all the time and they have long since subdued all natural predators, so they are the opposite of Northern Whites in terms of technology, advance planning, communication, complex structures, and all the features of cultures that require more intelligence to survive in their environment.

IQ is absolutely an important metric and is extremely highly correlated with your ceiling of capability, crime rates, reaction times, and other things. There is no better metric. Yes pattern recognition is important. It's a very left wing thing to dismiss the importance of IQ. IQ also cannot to any meaningful extent be increased through schooling.

I don't know enough about IQ tests to know if they are the best form of measuring analytical, logical intelligence. I know they are designed for that. There is a lot on them besides pattern recognition, and they make an attempt to test as many sides of your word, mathematical, and spatial logic as possible, under time constraints.

The biggest reason I don't trust IQ tests is because of my wide range of scores on different tests. I scored between average (~105), and "exceptionally gifted" (~165) depending on the specific test. The only level above mine was "profoundly gifted", above 180. Putting too much credence into these things seems overly left-wing to me.
 
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muscacav

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Sorry for being the bearer of bad news. OP seems inactive since November but this could be useful for someone in the future. The message is black-pilled and may displease the "go-getters" and boomers.


Things are different for the top tier of the already-wealthy. When family money pays for college and the down payment on a house, the lucky offspring have no student-loan debt chains hobbling them and none of the hopeless Red Queen's Race of trying to save up a down payment as housing prices accelerate away from the hapless savers.

Family money offers other cost-free goodies to the fortunate offspring: use of the family vacation home, income from family trust-fund assets, the benefits of family connections (for example, the advantages given to alumni of prestigious schools in terms of admitting their offspring) and valuable class-based memberships, both formal and informal.

Trying to reach the same level as the already-wealthy is a path to burnout and frustration, as the chasm is too wide to leap. Those gambling in the GBOAT casino are winning now, but relying on number 22 coming up again and again is becoming increasingly risky. The speed with which the phantom wealth of debt-asset bubbles can collapse is not widely understood, and the collapse will catch most punters off-guard.
Edit: this is just a snippet of the original post by Charles Hugh Smith.
 
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SeekingTruth

Kingfisher
Catholic


Mission​

The College of St. Joseph the Worker forms students into effective and committed members of their communities by teaching them the Catholic intellectual tradition while training them in skilled and dignified labor. We teach our students to think, but also to pray, to love, and to build.​


Here is a Catholic trade college opening in 2023. Interesting format. Sounds like tuition includes housing. It’s in small town Steubenville, OH.
 

joe40

Pigeon
Other Christian
I mostly disagree with the title of the thread, of course it does depend on what you study. I'm in a specialized field and get paid pretty well. I would have never been able to get all the jobs leading up to this one or this one without going to school, it just wouldn't have happened. I also worked and continue to work extremely hard, always learning new things and adapting.

I would love to own my own business or have gotten an elite MBA and be making bank, but I didn't and that door seems closed now.

The interesting thing with college degrees is that they are almost only useful for helping the elites with the global transformation to the NWO. The amount of payment with fake central bank money scales with how much it helps them. That's why STEM tends to pay more than "women studies", but both help the cause. There is no actual "useless" degree at a woke university.

However the second the NWO installment is complete, these degrees will become entirely useless.
 

stonesfan99

Chicken
Catholic
I'll disagree in that I think a college degree is definitely worth it.

It depends on what degree you are getting. Something like accounting, medical, law, you will always be able to find employment. But a degree like an art major is going to be tougher.

I have worked trades and hated it. The people were downright mean, they didn't want to teach you anything, and your body won't last a long time so you'll want to retire as early as you can, you get to work outside which is nice in the spring and fall, but it sucks in the winter and summer.

I got my degree from a community college which was a lot cheaper, in computer science. Get some certifications and work your way up and you can make some good money in this field. If I didn't do this, I'd probably go into nursing.
 
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