Complaints of Donald Trump thread

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paninaro

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kosko said:
You do realize healthcare is not a walk in the park. Obama was handed the ACA complete plan when he won his first election during his transition phase in Chicago and was simply tasked to "sell" ACA/Obamacare to the people and Congress (ACA was built by Insurance and Lobbyists hacks behind the scenes). It basically took up his entire first-term. Trump has to strip away ACA as much as possible and then re-build a program to supplement it. A program that has to integrate with insurance providers, legislation and budget allocation while fending off the legal/political attacks/hold-ups along the way it will face.
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It may not be a walk in the park, but it's been 4 years and no proposal. Just empty promises.

Also there is a simple way to address this -- make Medicare available to everyone, at market price. If you're under 65, and you want healthcare, you can buy into it. If your employer offers a plan, use that. Maybe your employer will even find it easier just to give you a bit extra to cover you cost fro medicare, instead of offering their own health plan.
 
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General Pinochet said:
7. Kicked the CCP out of the port of LA. I'm sure (((Feinstein))) was unhappy about it.
9. Has not openly tried to abolish the 2nd Amendment though I'm still suspect on his real thoughts, but he knows this is a big issue.
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The trade deficit in July 2020 with China was the highest it's been in 12 years.

Trump banned bump stocks. Isn't that an infringement on 2nd amendment rights?
 
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paninaro said:
It may not be a walk in the park, but it's been 4 years and no proposal. Just empty promises.

Also there is a simple way to address this -- make Medicare available to everyone, at market price. If you're under 65, and you want healthcare, you can buy into it. If your employer offers a plan, use that. Maybe your employer will even find it easier just to give you a bit extra to cover you cost fro medicare, instead of offering their own health plan.
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If it were that easy, it would have been done; even for free-spending DC hacks, ~$30 Trillion for Medicare for All makes them blush. As I mentioned, the attempt at any single-payer type system isn't operable as it is too large to budget and too complicated to get a "market" made with insurance hawks and MD vultures hovering over.

Medicare for all would make a fiscal bomb in the trillions that would swallow America up the whole.

You either make a true hybrid centred around open access and efficiency, or you blow it all up, set the rules and throw the ball and let the market sort it out. Just pasting some single-payer system can't work.

  1. Access
  2. Quality
  3. Cost

It is a challenge to get all three in sync. I am hazy to remember an old professor using food analogies for this. Fast food is cheap but bad quality - but easy to scale and make it accessible. Your top tier Michelin resto has an amazing quality, high cost, limited access. It is challenging to get all three at a high level. There needs to be a (heavy, heavy subsidy) or a deep breakthrough in technology to bridge the gap as it attacks one of those three-pillars. My take is that technology can bring down costs while maintaining already high quality with subsidies to ensure access. The push should then be to incentivize and create an ecosystem where technology can attack that pillar of cost.
 
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paninaro said:
The trade deficit in July 2020 with China was the highest it's been in 12 years.

Trump banned bump stocks. Isn't that an infringement on 2nd amendment rights?
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I was disappointed about the bump stocks but he had to throw something to the left to get them to STFU which they did. I don't have a collection by any means but I am a member of the GOA. We certainly don't need any more compromises with the left.

As for the trade deficit, Trump is the only one talking about extricating ourselves from China. Whether he can get the elite scumbags to look past their damn quarterly profit margins is another question.
 
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It_is_my_time

Crow
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General Pinochet said:
I was disappointed about the bump stocks but he had to throw something to the left to get them to STFU which they did. I don't have a collection by any means but I am a member of the GOA. We certainly don't need any more compromises with the left.

As for the trade deficit, Trump is the only one talking about extricating ourselves from China. Whether he can get the elite scumbags to look past their damn quarterly profit margins is another question.
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Trump didn't have to compromise with the left at all. All he had to do was push the message from the right and then actually do something for the 2A like at least talk about national conceal and carry.

Trump gave $5 trillion to Wall Street firms so they could invest in China and begin to push out the CCP. Trump attacks China not to help the middle class, because after 4 years of getting nothing for the middle class that is obvious, but instead so that our elites can set up shop in China and move on to that country once the USA is sucked ry.
 
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Here is the kind of vermin we are dealing with:

www.americanthinker.com

Robert Reich vows purges and show trials of conservatives if Biden is elected

Is the average American voter really thinking about all the ways to get back at voters who voted for President Trump? If any voters in Pennsylvania are reading this: do you really want to elect these people? https://t.co/EUTuDUItZp &m...
www.americanthinker.com www.americanthinker.com

I've always regarded Reich as the 'Midget Commie'. That is about as charitable as I can be with him. But hey MC, bring it on! I'm for firing leftist in all public institutions, followed by a stripping of all of their personal financial assets, and relocation to an open air concentration camp. I'll make sure it is filled with all that 'duh-versity' you leftards cherish except in your neighborhood.
 
Rogue Statistician

Rogue Statistician

Robin
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General Pinochet said:
I was disappointed about the bump stocks but he had to throw something to the left to get them to STFU which they did. I don't have a collection by any means but I am a member of the GOA.
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This is the mindset that allowed the ATF to start regulating silencers. Tomorrow they will go after drum mags nation wide, since they already have 8 states that legally define and regulate high capacity magazines. Todays bolt action hunting rifles are tomorrows sniper rifles. A couple years from now I'm sure they will go after market grade night vision/thermal optics, claiming a hunter doesn't realistically need these tools.
 
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Rogue Statistician said:
This is the mindset that allowed the ATF to start regulating silencers. Tomorrow they will go after drum mags nation wide, since they already have 8 states that legally define and regulate high capacity magazines. Todays bolt action hunting rifles are tomorrows sniper rifles. A couple years from now I'm sure they will go after market grade night vision/thermal optics, claiming a hunter doesn't realistically need these tools.
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So where do the resources go when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? This is like everything else that is held sway under the federal and state governments. You have this huge unaccountable bureaucracy that never changes regardless of who is elected. I'm for abolishing the ATF and will always believe that the ATF agents who participated in the Waco siege should have been tried and executed by being burned alive.
 
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It_is_my_time said:
Sounds good. I will not insult someone for voting for Trump or try to convince them to vote for Biden. I just hate seeing so many quality men putting their faith and hope in Trump. It is a dangerous situation. But it seems you have a very level head about it and I certainly support your right to choose and your polite comments on the subject.
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I don't think many of us put our faith in Trump as much as many like to believe. A lot of us put faith in ourselves and also understand the potential effects of electing the alternative.

Rather, we put our faith in the idea that is Trump and what that idea represents. Yes, obviously it sucks that this idea has not been fully applied but you have to remember that we went so far backwards before Trump that it is damn near impossible to be expecting significant changes in a short time span. As with anything (sports, academics, sales etc.), you build slowly, fail many times and then eventually adjust yourself. Again, I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about the idea of success represented by Trump whether we like it or not.

A more reasonable thing to do would be to understand that Trump did start a revolution more or less and it will continue in that direction. That is until it refines itself consistently through US and we elect more representatives that will adjust that approach and learn from the failures. Another words, let's start looking at the forest through the trees.

The more people that have woken up in this revolution, the more likely it will be that we will have a strong resistance to what comes ahead. Never forget that Trump made that happen.

For reference, I was never interested in politics and likely in the future, I won't be as much after Trump. That said, I started paying attention to myself and my values a whole lot more after Trump. I improved as a person and I like to think I improved the lives of those around me. There are many like me. We are stronger than our opposition. Again, without Trump, we would be idle and sleeping, and furthermore, they would have run off with our heads in due time.

Let's count our blessings that this did not happen and likely at this point, never will since we woke up!
 
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Robin
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General Pinochet said:
So where do the resources go when it comes to the 2nd Amendment? This is like everything else that is held sway under the federal and state governments. You have this huge unaccountable bureaucracy that never changes regardless of who is elected. I'm for abolishing the ATF and will always believe that the ATF agents who participated in the Waco siege should have been tried and executed by being burned alive.
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What do you mean by..... So where do the resources go when it comes to the 2nd Amendment?

I only replied to you because you said........he had to throw something to the left to get them to STFU which they did.

Conservatives need to stop engaging in good faith with the faithless. As long as we treat commies with empathy we will continue to lose. They are not humans.

The Left Wing isn't going to throw us a similar bone when they hold the power. We could complain as much as I want under the next liberal regime, they are not going to take our Ar15s but let us keep our Glocks. They are going to seize as many models of firearms and every piece of related equipment as they can. You can see this in Canada with their confusing gun bans earlier this year. The next set of Canadian gun bans will take away more models, and the cycle will repeat until all the white Canadians have to defend themselves is that small piece of ham they call bacon.
They will baby step us forward until the new normal is the inverse of tradition.
 
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Crow
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Cobra said:
I don't think many of us put our faith in Trump as much as many like to believe. A lot of us put faith in ourselves and also understand the potential effects of electing the alternative.

Rather, we put our faith in the idea that is Trump and what that idea represents. Yes, obviously it sucks that this idea has not been fully applied but you have to remember that we went so far backwards before Trump that it is damn near impossible to be expecting significant changes in a short time span. As with anything (sports, academics, sales etc.), you build slowly, fail many times and then eventually adjust yourself. Again, I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about the idea of success represented by Trump whether we like it or not.

A more reasonable thing to do would be to understand that Trump did start a revolution more or less and it will continue in that direction. That is until it refines itself consistently through US and we elect more representatives that will adjust that approach and learn from the failures. Another words, let's start looking at the forest through the trees.

The more people that have woken up in this revolution, the more likely it will be that we will have a strong resistance to what comes ahead. Never forget that Trump made that happen.

For reference, I was never interested in politics and likely in the future, I won't be as much after Trump. That said, I started paying attention to myself and my values a whole lot more after Trump. I improved as a person and I like to think I improved the lives of those around me. There are many like me. We are stronger than our opposition. Again, without Trump, we would be idle and sleeping, and furthermore, they would have run off with our heads in due time.

Let's count our blessings that this did not happen and likely at this point, never will since we woke up!
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You make some excellent points. I certainly do hope the majority of the posters here are not putting faith into Trump getting anything done and are instead putting in work to improve themselves. It would be great news and I certainly welcome it.

I agree Trump woke up a lot of people and the conversations have changed from "tax cuts" v. "social healthcare" on to big issues like endless wars for whose benefit and should American workers and people actually come first. He has exposed how completely untrustworthy the media is, and how much fraud and corruption is in DC. He has inspired young men across the country to run on his policies and it has kicked off a resistance to the unelected deep state political apparatus.

I still think the worst is yet to come, Trump hasn't changed the course. Whether he bought us more time or is acceleration could be argued for days with no one knowing for certain. So we all have to keep our noses to the grindstone and keep building/growing/spreading the truth.
 
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Rogue Statistician said:
Conservatives need to stop engaging in good faith with the faithless. As long as we treat commies with empathy we will continue to lose. They are not humans.

The Left Wing isn't going to throw us a similar bone when they hold the power. We could complain as much as I want under the next liberal regime, they are not going to take our Ar15s but let us keep our Glocks. They are going to seize as many models of firearms and every piece of related equipment as they can. You can see this in Canada with their confusing gun bans earlier this year. The next set of Canadian gun bans will take away more models, and the cycle will repeat until all the white Canadians have to defend themselves is that small piece of ham they call bacon.
They will baby step us forward until the new normal is the inverse of tradition.
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Yeah, well no sh__t. This is why I really never bothered to vote most years since the conservatards can't conserve a damn thing. But the left has become absolutely demonic, and that's saying something from an agnostic like myself. This is only going to change at the local level by either simply ignoring some of these laws along with perhaps some sheriffs or other such types on the same page as the citizens.
 
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It_is_my_time said:
It is because Trump is no different than Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan and Ben realizes this and can now support him.
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We don't know yet, Trump's a populist at heart, he's always been. He's liked boxers, mma fighters; people who come from nothing. He's an oligarch in touch with the working class.

That's already better than the incredible arrogance of men like Bill Gates, who are snakes in the grass and did treacherous things to get to where they are yet think of themselves as aristocrats and in control of the world. They're human garbage. The political class is below them and will do as they're told; Trump on the other hand has a mind of his own.
 
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Beaker said:
We don't know yet, Trump's a populist at heart, he's always been. He's liked boxers, mma fighters; people who come from nothing. He's an oligarch in touch with the working class.
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That's one of Trump's appeals. He has genuine respect for blue collar and almost anyone who go to where they are by their own efforts. You would never a metrosexual like Obummer or any current elite Democrat treat working class with respect.
 
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