Complaints of Donald Trump thread

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
Looks around America in 2020...

1 in 3 working aged Americans are out of work.
Another 1 in 2 working aged Americans are making less per COL than they did in the same job 20 years ago or are stuck in the Gig Economy
Yet we are still importing nearly 2 million people every year legally.
Healthcare is out of reach for nearly 1/2 the country.
National debt is closing in on 30 trillion dollars
4 years or less from the Democrats taking over top to bottom and nothing short of a civil war will stop this.
Massive crime wave occurring.
History being erased and rewritten right before our eyes.
Law abiding citizens arrested and harassed by the DOJ while Antifa is allowed to parade in the open and burn down entire blocks and kill police.

And you think the country is currently being saved?
Oh, knock it off. One in 3? Are you some kind of Russian troll?
Unemployment is 11%, I just saw it on teevee yesterday.
What are you, some kind of fascist Chinese Nazi?? This is the greatest, best economy on the planet, and the most free and prosperous country too, and it's the second greatest democracy in the world, just behind our greatest ally. Sean Hannity reminds me of that all the time.
You're just mad because you can't handle a big, brave strong independent woman, am I right?

Just wait until November, and then you'll really see. Blormpf's second term is gonna be YUUGE, YUUUGE I tell ya. Just wait. It will be literally the lowest black unemployment ever, and we will have so many felons released from prison it will make your head spin and you will beg Please! No more winning! He will find the last members of the GW Bush administration still alive and place them in every cabinet position and stock the supreme court full of Federalist Society choices and move the court to Tel Aviv then you LIBERALS with your TDS can just CRY and moan about your SOCIALISM while I collect my social security and laugh in your face! I love capitalism and these colors don't bleed! Free Hong Kong! Honk Honk!
 

perros

Woodpecker
It is weird, the blue pill Donald Trump supporters here think Trump has the election wrapped up. But even Trump's inside team is in fear of being so far behind they can't come back. And his awful and silly speech (just down right terrible) in front of Rushmore didn't move the polls at all.
Yeah, and quite honestly its really sad to see. If people are still on the Trump train at this point, I feel sorry for you, its embarrassing, he can very well get blown out in historical fashion. There is overwhelming evidence that the guy is a con-artist, liar and that he's not actually an outsider and fights for the "forgotten man" and anti-establishment, we all know he's not anywhere close to that, and if you still believe he is then I feel very bad for you.

I saw that speech and all I heard him talk about is how America is great, statues, antifa, and Muhammad Ali. He's basing his whole election strategy by going full blown on the culture war and not enough about people losing their jobs, COVID-19, the economy (its the economy stupid). Seriously! Does Trump want to lose? His strategists absolutely suck. So his whole strategy revolves around ignoring COVID, ignoring the economy and going full blown on the culture war and American Exceptionalism. That's a recipe for disaster. Contrary to popular opinion on this forum, but the majority of Americans aren't too deep into the culture war, and that goes for both the left and the right. The majority of Americans aren't full blown BLM and neither are they listening to Richard Spencer. Most Americans are living day by day and are most worried about how are they going to feed their families, and pay the bills, and trying to figure out how not to get infected by COVID.

Trump won in 2016 because he talked about trade, jobs, healthcare, building the wall, sounding populist and portraying Hillary as an out of touch corporate elitist, and rightfully so. Trump 2020 has literally become Hillary 2016, with vapid platitudes and American Exceptionalism (America is already great!). I didn't hear a single thing of populism in that speech whatsoever, only about how the country is very great and awesome and very great. He's completely clueless and out of touch.

Biden is actually coming up with some good hard-hitting ads as of late. Sleepy Joe is running a better strategy than Trump is.




Its not like Biden is going to do anything about pandemic either, and he's largely full of shit, but he's running a better campaign strategy than Trump is thus far. One is focusing on the pandemic, and taking shots at Trump's incompetence of the economy and the other is talking about statues. What holds more water at this very moment in time?
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
The reality is the presidency doesn't have much say over the economy. To the degree it does, it's mostly about making rich owners of capital feel more comfortable, and then they are more likely to undertake new projects or expand their businesses. And since Trump was one of them, and promised them tax breaks and reforms, that's why you saw America perform slightly better economically after he took over.

Honestly if he were truly reforming America socially and culturally, I would be his biggest fan. I wish someone would say, look guys, we can continue chasing a better economy forever, or we can accept the fact that our economy is already #1, but there are some other parts of our society that are in severe states of decay, and I'm going to fix them. But all we will get is some tough talk about some wedge issues. There is no interest from either party in fixing what is *truly* broken in America.

The fact that Donald Trump could make it to the top of government is merely proof that the entire system is completely broken. He is in no way qualified for the job, and is really only good at giving speeches. He would make a great press secretary, but that's about it. Here's some proof of the dysfunction of our government: As we enter the most serious lockdown of the last 100 days, with most people unable to work, and everything closed except the grocery store, Congress just went into recess until August.

Does that not strike anyone else as ABSOLUTELY INSANE?
If I was a father, I would be incredibly stressed out about how I was going to feed my family for the next few weeks, particularly if I was not working. Yes, we got a $1,500 check a couple of months ago, but there is no word that more money is coming. And Congress is saying, oh, we will get back to you in August, just hold the line. Fortunately America has a pretty good support system of charities and organizations, due to its persistent working poor class, and it's unlikely anyone will starve to death, but to just abandon the people at such a precarious time, at the height of rioting and uncertainty, seems downright idiotic.

It sure makes me question all the "national security" nonsense they always try to scare us with. If there was ever a chance in my lifetime for an internal insurrection or outside threat to this country, it would be right now. And Congress is just going to pack up and head to the beach.
 

questor70

Ostrich
going full blown on the culture war and American Exceptionalism.
I actually like some of his rhetoric that nails liberal overreach, but what exactly can a president do to win the culture war? Not much. Even the supreme court is voting against him more often than not these days. It's the media companies that have far more leverage in shaping culture. Trump can't control Hollywood or madison avenue and neither can Biden. Republicans can't pass a law that prevents another Gillette Ad or another gender-swapped nightmare like Ghostbusters 2016. It can't stop cancel-culture. Culture runs outside of the sphere of influence of the government outside of wedge issues like abortion, gay marriage, and immigration.

For instance, when Trump demands that the NASCAR guy apologize for the noose incident, he has no more real influence than anybody else.

Sure, it fans emotion but when it comes down to the brass tacks of POLICY it's a smokescreen.
 

questor70

Ostrich
It's called the bully pulpit because it has power.
From Trump, though? Mr. Stormy Daniels and Grab em by the p---y? Nobody takes him seriously as an evangelist of old school values, certainly not those who aren't already his base (who have already done the cognitive dissonance heavy-lifting).

And regarding the Sopranos clip...don't you think Hollywood was actually pissing on the idea of 1950s values by putting those words into a mob boss?

You can certainly make a case for a family values sort of candidate, but he has to first walk the talk.

I don't like hypocritical SJWs any more than I like hypocritical right-wingers. Show you have some integrity first and maybe I'll pay attention to what you have to say.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Trump never had to be a choir boy. In fact as Roosh has shown us there is immense power in saying "we have been going down the wrong path".

But he needed to be a leader from start to finish. He's burned most of his social capital so it's no longer viable for him to take the high road. These days it just comes off as political pandering.

Back in 2017 if Trump said "go protest your local MSM outlet" then what we'd have seen is the flip side of what we've been seeing these last few weeks. A true populist uprising. But whether by fraud or arrogance he chose not to make the American people part of the solution and in doing so became a politician instead of a leader.
 
If you think about it trump is for the right what Obama was for the left. They were both relative outsiders politically. Both ran on a platform of "hope and change". Both were marketed to distinct identity groups. Both had an ability to say the right words to motivate there base. Neither did any lasting good for their respective base. Look at the left post-obama. Now that will be the right post-trump. Angry mobs that blame "them" for the countries problems instead of taking responsibility and doing actual work. What amazes me is how other intelligent people dont see that trump is doing the same thing Obama did just for the other side. The goal is south Africa 2.0 (knowmorenews) did a great piece on this recently. So if the right explodes in anger then they wont need trump for another term otherwise he will win again just to excite his base, create more division and provide the problem reaction solution timeline.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
It is weird, the blue pill Donald Trump supporters here think Trump has the election wrapped up. But even Trump's inside team is in fear of being so far behind they can't come back. And his awful and silly speech (just down right terrible) in front of Rushmore didn't move the polls at all.
The ugly scenes you're going to see here and beyond the forum during this election are based around the fact that people become very hostile when the fantasies they build their world views on are challenged.

You will see a lot of people become bitter and angry that there's dissent against Trump "at such a critical juncture" even though this forum and the sentiment expressed on it have no functional effect on the outcome of the election whatsoever, to say nothing of the fact that no matter how disappointed most people here are with Trump they're still going to vote for him anyway because the alternative is worse.

But when you speak openly about Trump's failings you're not harming his election chances, you're harming the foundational fantasies of a lot of people, and regardless of what their stated cause of anguish is (you're a traitor/you want Biden to win/your expectations are too high/we need to maintain momentum/etc etc) what they're really angry about is that you're stabbing at the suspense of disbelief they need to maintain in order to believe the beautiful lie. That Trump is a valiant patriot fighting for America First against a sea of treacherous snakes, but he has a plan, and you just gotta trust the plan, and in the last ten to fifteen minutes of the movie he's gonna come back from behind and save the day.

You've born witness to this phenomenon for the last few years now so you know it's true. You could hand these people a USB drive and say "here's footage of Trump laughing about the stupid goyim with his Jewish masters" and they wouldn't watch it. They would toss it in the bin and pretend you were bluffing. Because that's how they need to play it to get through the day.

Not everyone is cut out for the whole truth. In fact, hardly anyone is.
 
The ugly scenes you're going to see here and beyond the forum during this election are based around the fact that people become very hostile when the fantasies they build their world views on are challenged.

You will see a lot of people become bitter and angry that there's dissent against Trump "at such a critical juncture" even though this forum and the sentiment expressed on it have no functional effect on the outcome of the election whatsoever, to say nothing of the fact that no matter how disappointed most people here are with Trump they're still going to vote for him anyway because the alternative is worse.

But when you speak openly about Trump's failings you're not harming his election chances, you're harming the foundational fantasies of a lot of people, and regardless of what their stated cause of anguish is (you're a traitor/you want Biden to win/your expectations are too high/we need to maintain momentum/etc etc) what they're really angry about is that you're stabbing at the suspense of disbelief they need to maintain in order to believe the beautiful lie. That Trump is a valiant patriot fighting for America First against a sea of treacherous snakes, but he has a plan, and you just gotta trust the plan, and in the last ten to fifteen minutes of the movie he's gonna come back from behind and save the day.

You've born witness to this phenomenon for the last few years now so you know it's true. You could hand these people a USB drive and say "here's footage of Trump laughing about the stupid goyim with his Jewish masters" and they wouldn't watch it. They would toss it in the bin and pretend you were bluffing. Because that's how they need to play it to get through the day.

Not everyone is cut out for the whole truth. In fact, hardly anyone is.
Yes certainly. The purple pill, Q Anon, still on the Trump train people are the followers. They are not meant to lead. The problem is they think they are leaders and will not humbly submit to men who are trying to solve the problems, thinking instead their false hero will save them.
 

perros

Woodpecker
Trump never had to be a choir boy. In fact as Roosh has shown us there is immense power in saying "we have been going down the wrong path".

But he needed to be a leader from start to finish. He's burned most of his social capital so it's no longer viable for him to take the high road. These days it just comes off as political pandering.

Back in 2017 if Trump said "go protest your local MSM outlet" then what we'd have seen is the flip side of what we've been seeing these last few weeks. A true populist uprising. But whether by fraud or arrogance he chose not to make the American people part of the solution and in doing so became a politician instead of a leader.

Problem is is that Trump has a huge ego that its hard for him to admit that things are going terribly wrong. It was easy for him in 2016 to just take shots at Hillary for the problems America was facing, but now that he's been the president for 4 years, him saying "things are bad right now" would be an admission of his own failures, which is not something he's willing to say. This is the reason why he's doubling down on American Exceptionalism and how great the country is. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great things about America, but you also have to mention the negatives and problems of the country, because when you just talk about only the positives you make it seem like there are no problems when there are especially right now. Mentioning the countries problems IS populist, and that is how he won in the first place (I'm going to drain the swamp, our country is losing, we are losing jobs, our economy is bad, etc...)

I've said this before and i'll say it again, Trump ran a populist campaign not because he actually cared for people, but because he wanted to stick it to the people who have made fun of him, called him a clown, and never really accepted him as one of them, as in to say "I'll show them." He lives for those pats on the back from the establishment, the ultra-wealthy, corporate America, and always wanted to be part of the club and be accepted by them, the way Hillary, Obama, Joe Biden, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, are beloved. He wanted that kind of admiration from the elite and media and the powers that be. This is the reason why he surrounded himself with Goldman Sachs people in his administration, and neo-cons and abandoned Steve Bannon and gave the rich their lowest tax breaks in the history of the country. Everything the establishment and the rich wanted he did. It will all be for nothing because at the end of the day the establishment still hates him and still see him as a clown, because he embarrasses them with his barbarian and un-elegant demeanor, they prefer someone who is cool, and collected like Obama who puts a smile on the face of the American empire and does their bidding for them.

Its really a sad situation for Trump, but the chickens have come home to roost.
 

FactusIRX

Woodpecker
It is weird, the blue pill Donald Trump supporters here think Trump has the election wrapped up. But even Trump's inside team is in fear of being so far behind they can't come back. And his awful and silly speech (just down right terrible) in front of Rushmore didn't move the polls at all.
His Rushmore speech was really good, and it's too early to see if it impacted his support, but if I had to guess, I would assume it would increase his support.
 
His Rushmore speech was really good, and it's too early to see if it impacted his support, but if I had to guess, I would assume it would increase his support.
Good for getting him reelected? I doubt it, too far out and now he has run his mouth off again and not followed through. But we will find out.

Good for what the people need to hear? Not at all, Dubya could have given the same speech using the same old tired conservative talking points and then calling the left "fascist". They are not fascist, they are communists and the fact he doesn't explicitly state this is damning.
 

Robert High Hawk

Kingfisher
I liken support for Trump with the supporting the US war in Afghanistan or Iraq.

You have what is initially a sound reason for involvement - Remember 9/11!!!! Those terrorists!, and what appears to be some initial progress. Then, despite the flurry of good news for battles constantly being won against a ruthless enemy, you can't help but notice that nothing meaningful is happening on the national level, and in fact conditions there are worse than when you started - for everyone involved. What's worse, is that every sinister act by the Taliban/Insurgency, a suicide bombing, a mass beheading, etc... is absolute proof that we MUST stay in the country longer, and how the Taliban is so vicious and utterly ruthless that only an absolute heartless and unpatriotic bastard would want us to leave. The country will fall into chaos if we leave! In response to increasing insurgent attacks we ramp up the bombing campaign to unprecedented levels. Look how many we've killed this year! Progress! Now the insurgency becomes even more insidious, where as initially they only ambushed soldiers with weapons, then they started to use brutal roadside bombs, then landmines on troops to blow their nuts off, then, suicide bombs, then blowing up paitents in hospitals, etc... And this whole time nothing seems to get better, just slowly worse, yet people insist that we CANNOT leave, because for SURE it would devolve into chaos, without realizing the chaos is already there, and all we are doing is wasting time, energy, and lives, supporting this fruitless endeavor that is only making a few lucky defense and contracting corporations rich as hell.
 

Pooch32

Sparrow

FactusIRX

Woodpecker
Good for getting him reelected? I doubt it, too far out and now he has run his mouth off again and not followed through. But we will find out.
He has five months to follow through, which I suspect will determine his reelection. The big test is what happens to Ghislaine Maxwell. If she's memory holed like Epstein, well, then we both know what that means . . .

Good for what the people need to hear? Not at all, Dubya could have given the same speech using the same old tired conservative talking points and then calling the left "fascist". They are not fascist, they are communists and the fact he doesn't explicitly state this is damning.
It sounded like Bannon or Tucker wrote it, rather than David Frum, who wrote speeches for Bush. It was even more "radical" than his stump campaign speeches he gave in the 2016 campaign (I know that because I watched nearly every one of his campaign speeches). I think everyone on this forum would love it if Trump red the Rivers of Blood speech, but if he did, he would be impeached the next day. It's unfortunate that the left can call for the extermination of whites, where we cannot even call the left communist, but that's not Trump's fault. That's 70 years of losing the culture war.
 
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