Connecticut bans conversion therapy.

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
It's not a law yet but the Connecticut hoise passed a bill that would prevent therapists from offering or performing conversion therapy, I. E. attempting to help homosexuals successfully revert to heterosexuality.

https://ctmirror.org/2017/05/02/connecticut-house-votes-to-bar-gay-conversion-therapy/

It's OK to let teenage girls decide whether to get an abortion and not tell their parents, but letting a grown adult willingly participate in a type of therapy - whether effective or not - is now about to be illegal. Such a sad, pathetic, feminized commentary on the state of western civilization.
 

Kona

Crow
Gold Member
The bill’s lead sponsors are the legislature’s only two openly gay members, Currey and Sen. Beth Bye, D-West Hartford, but its long list of co-sponsors included House Minority Leader Themis Klarides, R-Derby.

Klarides urged passage of the bill, saying it would protect children against bullying.

“This is one that will allow me to go sleep tonight,” said Klarides, one of 63 Republicans and 78 Democrats to vote for the bill.

Hes going to sleep alright...With a dude!

:eek:hshit:

Seriously though, does this restrict religious types like pastors from counseling the gays and suggesting they stop sucking cocks?

I think this could restrict the religious, unless they're all into Satan in Connecticut.

Aloha!
 

rapaz12

Woodpecker
I hate to play devils advocate, but has conversion therapy every legitimately worked? I've heard most people just come out of it more messed up than when they went in.
 

YoungBlade

 
Banned
Here's conversion therapy that's worked:

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911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
rapaz12 said:
I hate to play devils advocate, but has conversion therapy every legitimately worked? I've heard most people just come out of it more messed up than when they went in.

Yes it does work in some instances. As well, you have to put it in context, mainstream culture has become an anti-hetero conversion therapy, so you need that voice to counter it.
 
rapaz12 said:
I hate to play devils advocate, but has conversion therapy every legitimately worked? I've heard most people just come out of it more messed up than when they went in.

Yeah, though it's largely ignored by the "born this way" lobby. Based on the statistics I've seen, conversion therapy is effective somewhere between about 10% and 35% of the time. There are some issues with the studies, based on what you define as "success."

I think that homosexual children shouldn't be forced into conversion therapy, but an adult is entitled to do whatever he so chooses.
 

Mage

 
Banned
Truth Teller said:
rapaz12 said:
I hate to play devils advocate, but has conversion therapy every legitimately worked? I've heard most people just come out of it more messed up than when they went in.

Yeah, though it's largely ignored by the "born this way" lobby. Based on the statistics I've seen, conversion therapy is effective somewhere between about 10% and 35% of the time. There are some issues with the studies, based on what you define as "success."

I think that homosexual children shouldn't be forced into conversion therapy, but an adult is entitled to do whatever he so chooses.

If these number are true then it's more effective then alcoholics anonymous and similar things actually. Of course definition of success is what matters. I have no doubt it would become more efficient if it were socially recognized as such and homosexuality was socially shunned.

There should be no such thing as homosexual children. Children (in the proper meaning of this term) should not engage in any sexual practice and should be kept safe from such practices.
 
I guess the notion that we live in a free country -- in which one consenting adult has the right to pay another consenting adult to provide information, counseling, opinions, etc. that are of value to him -- is obsolete.
 

Super_Fire

Kingfisher
Oswaldo Guimaraens said:
I guess the notion that we live in a free country -- in which one consenting adult has the right to pay another consenting adult to provide information, counseling, opinions, etc. that are of value to him -- is obsolete.

Freedom is diametrically opposed to socialism/communism, yes.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
As mentioned earlier, alcoholics anonymous has a pretty terrible success rate, but that doesn't make it not worth trying for people who so choose.

I don't understand the desire behind the sponsors of the bill - are they worried therapy might actually start working and there will be fewer available young gay dudes? What about therapy that converts people the other way around? I bet that's still legal.

As you might expect, the second largest group of vocal supporters I've seen for this are liberal white females
 

Guitarman

Pelican
Non-Christian
I agree, the fact that even a low % of gays can be cured by therapy suggests that much like transgender ism, homosexuality is a mental disorder.

So the state of Conecticut has effectively banned treatment for a mental Illness. They have put political correctness above ethical, humane treatment of the mentally ill.

That has to be unethical.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
The percentage of practicing gays is certainly lower in a society that labels it as deviant behavior rather than a society that praises and glorifies it. Societies that label it as deviant put pressure on people that might try it, to never go there. Societies that praise it try to teach children that everybody has at least some gay tendencies, and they ought to try it to see if they like it.

Conversion therapy is just an example of the kind of social pressure that minimizes gay behavior. Banning conversion therapy is an example of the kind of thing that maximizes it. In particular, all gay leaning children should be encouraged to avoid gay experimentation permanently.
 

Only One Man

Kingfisher
If you think conversion therapy works on gay men to turn them straight you are a fucking moron. My guess would be that those "gay conversion therapy centers" are just big gay orgies. That being said, if consenting adults are willing to pay for that service and someone is willing to provide it, it should never be banned.

I've never understood the hatred for gay men on this forum. All they do is move into shitty neighborhoods and turn them into nice, safe places a decade or two later, they pay their fucking taxes and take care of their lawns, and they don't add unwanted children to the already large pool of unwanted children.

As far as the criticism for them spreading STDs and AIDS, that's completely legitimate and they should be called out for that. But if you talk shit about gays for that reason and then turn around and brag about banging tons of sluts without a condom and busting inside them then you're a fucking hypocrite and are no better than the gays.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Only One Man said:
If you think conversion therapy works on gay men to turn them straight you are a fucking moron. My guess would be that those "gay conversion therapy centers" are just big gay orgies. That being said, if consenting adults are willing to pay for that service and someone is willing to provide it, it should never be banned.

I highlighted the only logical part of that sentence. Does conversion therapy work? I don't know. I know there are some stats and some anecdotal evidence. I'm guessing "does it work" has a subjective answer to it.

I've never understood the hatred for gay men on this forum. All they do is move into shitty neighborhoods and turn them into nice, safe places a decade or two later, they pay their fucking taxes and take care of their lawns, and they don't add unwanted children to the already large pool of unwanted children.

It's not gay hating, it's liberal hating. It's hating when libs insist on throwing the gayness at society all the time...normalizing it, etc. The media and laws and politics make us annoyed that we have to hear about it all the time.

I doubt RVF members hate gays like you think. We're just annoyed at the 'movement'.

As Gavin McInnes says, we're not homophobic, we're homobored.

Also, let's not pretend they're just like us, only they like dudes. It's pretty bizarre if the people you were attracted to were just as horny and ready to fuck as you are. That would absolutely change your perspective on life.

As far as the criticism for them spreading STDs and AIDS, that's completely legitimate and they should be called out for that. But if you talk shit about gays for that reason and then turn around and brag about banging tons of sluts without a condom and busting inside them then you're a fucking hypocrite and are no better than the gays.

You're saying butt sex is as normal as PV sex? Do we need to go back to Biology 101? AIDS is spread specifically because these fags are fucking assholes, not vaginas.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
I was naturally against gays as a young man in the 70's, like most people in most societies throughout history. In the late 80's and 90's, I became sympathetic to their situations due to hearing stories about fag bashing, both by ordinary citizens and the cops. I maintained this attitude until 5-10 years ago. I still thought it was against the laws of God, but I thought government should not be involved, and they should be allowed to make their own choices.

However, in recent years, gays have become aggressively political. I am opposed to gay marriage. To the extent that the state subsidizes marriage with tax breaks and other beneficial regulations, it should only do so to encourage families for the purpose of bringing up children as well as possible. Gays should not be allowed to adopt children.

Now there is aggressive gay propaganda constantly. They are trying to do much more than just be left alone. They're trying to control the agenda and ensure that all children are taught that being gay is not only normal, but a lifestyle they should consider. This kind of propaganda is sick.

Putin and Russia have the right idea. Homosexuality is not illegal, but propaganda to encourage it is. I'm still opposed to fag bashing, but I think it should be acceptable for employers to choose if they want to hire openly gay people. Let the gay people move to places where they are accepted, or act discreetly and remain in the closet, instead of trying to force their ways on people who find them disgusting.

As for the effectiveness of gay conversion therapy, many gays in the past stayed in the closet and lived conventional heterosexual lives, and were faithful to their wives and took care of their children. I think this is a good choice for them. I don't think conversion therapy stops them from getting hard-ons and beating off while thinking of gay sex, but they don't have to act it out. Also, it's known that gay guys fuck a lot of women. Obviously they are not hopelessly deprived of sex if they conform to normal socially acceptable behavior. Most of them want children too, so refraining from gay sex and getting married is a perfectly viable option.

The consent of the governed is a requirement for legitimate government. Normal people do not want gays forced upon them. Government should not do so when the governed do not consent to it. Let the gays and various other kinds of freaks and weirdos have some opportunity to practice their perversions without government oppression (so long as no children or other innocents are harmed). Society needs to have some kind of safety valve for the small minority of rebels and malcontents that will always exist. However, let these people go to limited enclaves where they are accepted. Don't force them on normal communities, and give the normal communities the right to discourage these behaviors with non-violent social pressure.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Only One Man said:
Yea sure because guys never ever fuck girls in the ass right?

It's as if you've never sat in a math or statistics classroom.

Gays are having waaaayyyyy more butthole sex than straights. It's all they have.

Like I said, I don't think guys here hate gays. Personally, I think gays are gross just because I think other guys are gross. The idea of other people having sex is strange, but at least with hetero and les sex there's at least one chick. Two dudes is disgusting, like thinking about me masturbating is disgusting...no chick.
 

Only One Man

Kingfisher
heavy said:
Only One Man said:
Yea sure because guys never ever fuck girls in the ass right?

It's as if you've never sat in a math or statistics classroom.

Gays are having waaaayyyyy more butthole sex than straights. It's all they have.

Like I said, I don't think guys here hate gays. Personally, I think gays are gross just because I think other guys are gross. The idea of other people having sex is strange, but at least with hetero and les sex there's at least one chick. Two dudes is disgusting, like thinking about me masturbating is disgusting...no chick.

Well yea I think gay guys are gross too. And obviously gays are having way more butthole sex than straights. But you don't need to have butt sex to spread herpes. Also, busting inside random sluts is a big contributor to single motherhood, which in my opinion is a much bigger plague on society than gay marriage and gay pride parades.

All I'm saying is that if you criticize gays for their sexual behavior (I do all the time) because of the consequences it has for society and then you turn around and brag about fucking random sluts without a condom and busting inside them, you're a fucking hypocrite and also making society worse.
 
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