Controversial: Should We Tolerate Abortion?

Advorsor

Sparrow
Please keep in mind the title says "tolerate" not "support".

My thinking comes down to demographics and economics.

Demographic Angle:

I just looked over some statistics from the last 5 years. As it pertains to the United States, White women are the least likely group to undergo an abortion (% basis). From this, we can obviously deduce that minority women and other groups are far more likely to have one -- and therefore be supportive of abortion rights/legislation. Given this, doesn't it work to our benefit (specifically people with European descent), if these "other" groups are the main ones seeking this procedure? Result: more abortions from these groups translate to a slower displacement of people with European descent in the US.

Now perhaps the "extreme" view on this would be as follows: We (men) should tolerate abortion given the odds of which women actually opt to have the procedure work to our advantage. For example:

- SJW woman gets pregnant > SJW woman gets an abortion | Translation: Status quo holds AND SJW cannot indoctrinate/brainwash offspring

Economic Angle:

This one is more simple. Assuming an abortion isn't carried out (at least in the US), that parent/child is very likely to be on the receiving-end of Government handouts. Translation: Do you want your taxes (either directly or indirectly) funding this situation? I do not.

Am I missing/not getting something here? Food for thought..
 

Advorsor

Sparrow
Evil does not solve evil. The support of abortion comes with the support of many other things. Sure in its isolated context fewer SJWs get born, etc, but that’s an inhuman approach/mindset to life.

I understand what you are saying. But I tend to look at this situation as the cliché: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" because I don't think people who support abortion realize how detrimental it could be to there own causes in the long run.

Again, not "supporting" abortion but tolerating it could be a temporary/lesser evil if it helps to solve other problems diminish itself in the long-run.
 

Maecenas

Sparrow
I guess what you’re kind of getting at is chaos and evil in many cases just destroy themself. Which is what we’re increasingly seeing with the democrats today. That’s a fair point, though I wouldn’t really use the word tolerate. It’s just more, recognizing you don’t necessarily need to step in and be ready to support when they do want your help for conversion.
 
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wojak

Pigeon
The working class is forced to subsidize the children of welfare leeches, and this needs to stop. Once Sharkeesha realizes Uncle Sam isn't going to cut her a check for her 15th child (from her 15th different partner), she'll have to learn how family planning works or starve. That's insensitive, but it's a hell of a lot better than abortion. People work 40 hours a week and don't make enough to raise a family on that single income. These people should not be getting money stolen out of their wallets so that deadbeats can have kids.

This works the same way when you look at third world populations. Would Africans really be exploding in population count if first world countries weren't dumping so much money into feeding them? All of the foreign aid dollars seem to go to food, in the end (any infrastructure gets neglected or intentionally destroyed). This takes the concept of carrying capacity out of the equation, and these places end up with way more people than they can sustain. You could either pay for free abortions for all African women, and try to solve the problem that way, or just stop feeding them and let things balance out the natural way.

Just rambling and only half-answering your question, but those are my two cents. Abortion is immoral and should be avoided in a Christian country. If people were made to truly face the consequences of having children out of wedlock (instead of being handsomely rewarded by the taxpayer), the need for abortion might go down.
 

Stats

Woodpecker
I had a abortion when I was younger. the mom was only 18. although I was supportive of having the baby I did not try to convince her much other wise when she flipped and wanted to get an abortion. certainly a sad regrettable experience in my life. and one I will work hard to avoid in the future.

My current views are that it should be legal but should be much more discouraged for normal circumstances.
It should be done, even encouraged, for rape victims. as well as be allowed if there is evidence the baby will be deformed or lifelong sick

If I am in that situation again I would use all my persuasive powers to discourage the mother from doing a abortion but in the end I think it is the woman's decision and would support it if she still decides to go through with it after hearing me out.
 

EndlessGravity

Kingfisher
The rational arguments are a waste of time. There's not much you can do about it outside your personal choices.

I also don't really care if a woman wants to destroy her progeny.
 
Thou shall not kill. It seems pretty straightforward to me. Blacks definitely experience a lot of social problems, far more than other groups, and at least in the US have the highest abortion rate, but that's an indictment of a failing social structure. Their social problems are not legitimate excuses to kill them in the womb.

I guess the side argument to that is whether or not life begins at conception. The answer is "yes," but there's no shortage of ghoulish people who will argue "no" in favor of murdering the unborn. Abortion is one of those things that should be totally intolerable if you have any kind of religious belief at all.
 

Stats

Woodpecker
I guess the side argument to that is whether or not life begins at conception. The answer is "yes,"
I agree but you must then consider that probably over 30% of all pregnancies get naturally aborted and misscary, either by some behavior of the mother or just random chance..

How do you fit that into the picture.

And I dont think a blanket ban on abortion is a good option because then some people will still go ahead with it on their own with more dangerous means. potentially killing or sterilizing themselves.
 
The core issue is all the premarital sex. If life how it was before the 1960s, most women would get pregnant during marriage and it was part of the natural cycle of life. Now women are thottin out and society praises them for sexual liberation..and if you get pregnant just take a trip to planned parenthood! I can see some extreme cases like rape or woman's life at risk as a justification in society.
The sad part, to me, is how the American public is green-lighting abortion, and sexual liberation movement is a core issue here. It really boils down to selfishness (do what thou will). These women don't often care they are terminating their future child...they care more about living for themselves (fun, career, partying).
 
I agree but you must then consider that probably over 30% of all pregnancies get naturally aborted and misscary, either by some behavior of the mother or just random chance..

How do you fit that into the picture.

And I dont think a blanket ban on abortion is a good option because then some people will still go ahead with it on their own with more dangerous means. potentially killing or sterilizing themselves.

Natural miscarriage is not comparable to an intentional abortion. If a woman miscarries because she was using hard drugs while pregnant and it can be shown that the drug use directly caused the miscarriage, I wouldn't see a problem with prosecuting her.

People commit all sorts of crimes despite there being laws against them, murder comes immediately to mind. Just because people still commit those crimes doesn't mean you should just throw out the law; the law is in place precisely because people commit those crimes and serves to provide some kind of retribution.
 

Amwolf

Newbie
Please keep in mind the title says "tolerate" not "support".

My thinking comes down to demographics and economics.

Demographic Angle:

I just looked over some statistics from the last 5 years. As it pertains to the United States, White women are the least likely group to undergo an abortion (% basis). From this, we can obviously deduce that minority women and other groups are far more likely to have one -- and therefore be supportive of abortion rights/legislation. Given this, doesn't it work to our benefit (specifically people with European descent), if these "other" groups are the main ones seeking this procedure? Result: more abortions from these groups translate to a slower displacement of people with European descent in the US.

Now perhaps the "extreme" view on this would be as follows: We (men) should tolerate abortion given the odds of which women actually opt to have the procedure work to our advantage. For example:

- SJW woman gets pregnant > SJW woman gets an abortion | Translation: Status quo holds AND SJW cannot indoctrinate/brainwash offspring

Economic Angle:

This one is more simple. Assuming an abortion isn't carried out (at least in the US), that parent/child is very likely to be on the receiving-end of Government handouts. Translation: Do you want your taxes (either directly or indirectly) funding this situation? I do not.

Am I missing/not getting something here? Food for thought..
You raise a great question on whether abortion should be supported as a protector of ethnic European heritage and culture in the West. Generally speaking, I'm strongly opposed to abortion as it's anti-Christian and encourages other forms of decadence. Usually those who support abortion also favor other forms of degeneracy under the umbrella of Cultural Marxism.

With that being said, many race realism, white nationalism, and other New Right advocacy organizations suggest that we at least subconsciously support abortion for the same reasons that you’ve mentioned; abortion protects our race from accelerated reduction. While I despise abortion and especially those who profit from it, the thought of certain ethnic groups having an abortion at a disproportionate rate compared to whites doesn’t bother me an ounce at this point as we have much greater issues to address. I believe that modernism and globalism are far-more destructive than abortion as the practice is only one of many “isms” that are degenerative cancers responsible for societal decay.
 

Rush87

Hummingbird
Ban abortion and defund welfare. Minority women won’t be so generous with the pussy once they realize we aren’t paying for it - And while we’re at it, we need to defund funding food for 3rd world nations. It’s essentially factory farming for humans. We ensure they don’t starve then emigrate those with a high enough IQ to drive the grunt work in our corporations.
 
No.
I vaguely Remember growing up in the 90s the whole faggot/homosexual acceptance sh!t. Then late 90s the tolerance sh!t, then the 2000s push for legalization.
Now it's trans freaks committing suicide by 44%
Give an inch, to lose a few miles.

Tolerate nothing.
 

Mr Gee

Pigeon
No.
I vaguely Remember growing up in the 90s the whole faggot/homosexual acceptance sh!t. Then late 90s the tolerance sh!t, then the 2000s push for legalization.
Now it's trans freaks committing suicide by 44%
Give an inch, to lose a few miles.

Tolerate nothing.
I was in New Zealand during these times, the push for civil unions for gays in 2000s was with the message "we are not coming after marriage, just our rights as citizens". Just a short time later after this legislation passed, gay marriage legalised. Now hate laws coming in next 3 years with the current socialist freaks in power will come after those opposing these sick f***s.
The same freaks voted in third-trimester abortions last 12 months, with cheers in Parliament when passed third reading (confirmation passed into law).
 
While I despise abortion and especially those who profit from it, the thought of certain ethnic groups having an abortion at a disproportionate rate compared to whites doesn’t bother me an ounce at this point


The difference is the cancer of rationalizing abortions is pervasive to all microcultures in America with the current gynocentric society we live in. I would be willing to bet the Jews controlling our society would give anything for an ad campaign that'll appeal to the senses "poor broke white girl from Iowa" to get abortions to not inconvenience her life of climbing the corporate ladder.

I see white girls aplenty at Walmart/Target/(name any big box store) talking like some ghetto Quin'teesha loudly on her cell phone 2 aisles over from me when I'm looking for chicken broth (because I'm on a liquid diet right now post gastrectomy) and wondering who TF is yelling like it's in their own car.

It's some white chick? ...:rolleyes:

No. Abortion will seep over our microcultures we have in America.
Plus, there's the whole thou shall not kill thing Jesus tells us not to do .
 
“Should it be legal to sin?” is a fascinating question with many deeper implications about theology, free will, and anthropology in general. I do not support abortion or the taking of innocent life in any way, shape or form. I am also curious about the correlation between legality of an action and the frequency of that action’s being committed, which is a topic I’ve meant to study for some time. Crime being illegal rarely seems to stop it from being committed, so I do not know whether “make abortion illegal” would actually stop or lower abortion rates, or simply make people feel good and virtuous for outlawing an act that would still be occurring at the same rate. I suspect God would be happier if we make it illegal regardless of whether it continues to be done.

Legal or illegal, it’s a mortal sin that will send those who commit it to Hell unless they repent.
 
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