Coronavirus Economic, Cultural, Political Ramifications

Emancipator

Hummingbird
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911 said:
Athanasius said:
I've been puzzled for a long time about when economic collapse comes from the mountains of debt, which the Fed has just added to with its "injection" moves. Amazing the pile of cards has been stacked so high. And people just keep wanting to add more with UBI, debt forgiveness, etc.

Of course, the debt will never be paid; it'll just be the Big Default. The question is which generation will get left holding the bag.

The debt is bogus, it is owned by a few dozen zillionaires. There is no bag to hold, you can just write a few zeroes off, the same way they wrote them on.

UBI gets recycled into the economy. most of it is consumed. Rents, beer, steaks, Doritos, kitchen cupboards and fridges, dentists, optometrists, car garages etc.

A lot of people forget UBI was originally a “conservative” idea.

Streamlines and trims a lot of the state’s bureaucratic fat.
 
RE: Coronavirus Socioeconomic/Cultural/Political Ramifications

They will have to roll out the UBI anyway if they close off everything. Keep it going a bit longer and large parts of the economy will be down. Unemployment will be up to depression levels - even way beyond depression levels. Wait until the foreclosures kick in.

And as mentioned before - the UBI will be of tied directly to bi-yearly vaccinations and obligatory testing, possibly travel restrictions since they don't want you to live on a Thai beach on your UBI dollars.
 

eradicator

Peacock
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In 2009 the H1N1 Swine Flu infected 49,000,000 Americans. hospitalized 265,000 Americans and killed 12,469 Americans. And there was no hysteria, no pandemonium. And President Obama waited 4 months after WHO declared it a pandemic before he declared a national emergency. Those are the facts. My opinion says that this is totally political in a effort to hurt the economy before the 2020 elections.


Probably telling it to the crier by posting on this site but there you have it.
 

Douglas Quaid

Kingfisher
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911 said:
TigOlBitties said:
Well said, comrade. Daddy gubmint does know best.

$1.5 Trillion of Fed/taxpayer interest-laden debt was pumped into the bankster coffers to prop up the stock market, which went on to drop another 12%. Banksters bet on the decline and made money, on top of the $1.5 trillion they just got from taxpayers.

But yeah muh communism.

I am aware of the evil ZOG, bankers, Fed, etc. But I do not believe in UBI and the State control that comes with it. This does not mean I want no government. Things aren't so black and white.

Learn to take a joke, comrade.
 

Ember

Ostrich
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The Chinese have massive online shill armies to rapidly steer emerging 'public opinion outbreaks' before they can threaten the state. A few days ago guidelines issued by the government were allegedly leaked. The tactics used, if genuine, make for some very interesting reading. It could describe a lot that this forum has seen over the years from various subversives. Israeli and Media Matters shills will use the same methods.


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MichaelWitcoff

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I mentioned this in another thread, but one of Trump’s primary failures as a leader is his belief in magical thinking - that what you say becomes reality, while what you refuse to say doesn’t. That isn’t how the world works and at no point in his Presidency has it actually helped with anything beyond getting beer-and-sportsball Boomers to cheer him on for being the “best President ever” despite not being able to explain why. Optimism has an important role in society and leadership in particular, but being unwilling to acknowledge problems until they’re so bad you have to is the sign of a poor leader and someone who cares more about his own short-term reputation than the long-term repercussions of what he’s doing. Same way he ran his businesses, borrowing obscene amounts of money and then needing a bailout when the hype didn’t translate into success (see his adventures in Atlantic City for a prime example of what I mean).

He insisted nothing was wrong until people started getting sick and dying, and now saying “we’ll be stronger than ever before!” is just giving what may well turn out to be false hope to people with low IQs and people who get their information from “trusted authorities” (but I repeat myself). In retrospect I’m actually a bit ashamed of myself for having gotten caught up in his 2016 rhetoric.

Fool me once, and whatnot. I’d much prefer to hear a sober, well-reasoned analysis of the situation than watch him keep putting bandaids on a rotting corpse while shouting “you’re gonna make it!”
 

Ember

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Vanity Fair reports that White House insiders speak of Trump being furious with Jared Kushner for his meddling and duff advice. Kushner could be significantly to blame for Trumps early missteps on the virus situation. Or is this a case of lefty Jew, Ben Sherman, sniping at Zio-Jew, Kushner?

“There’s No Boogeyman He Can Attack”: Angry at Kushner, Trump Awakens to the COVID-19 Danger

With the markets in free fall despite emergency action by the Fed over the weekend, Trump is waking up to the reality that’s been clear to everyone: Coronavirus poses a once-in-a-hundred-years threat to the country. “In the last 48 hours he has understood the magnitude of what’s going on,” a former West Wing official told me. As Trump processes the stakes facing the country—and his presidency—he’s also lashing out at advisers, whom he blames for the White House’s inept and flat-footed response. Sources say a principal target of his anger is Jared Kushner. “I have never heard so many people inside the White House openly discuss how pissed Trump is at Jared,” the former West Wing official said.

Sources told me Trump is regretting that Kushner swooped into the coronavirus response last week. Kushner, according to sources, encouraged Trump to treat the emergency as a P.R. problem when Fauci and others were calling for aggressive action. “This was Jared saying the world needs me to solve another problem,” a former White House official said. One source briefed on the internal conversations told me that Kushner advised Trump not to call a national emergency during his Oval Office address on March 11 because “it would tank the markets.” The markets cratered anyway, and Trump announced the national emergency on Friday. “They had to clean that up on Friday,” another former West Wing official said. Trump was also said to be angry that Kushner oversold Google’s coronavirus testing website when in fact the tech giant had a fledgling effort. Trump got slammed in the press for promoting the phantom Google product. “Jared told Trump that Google was doing an entire website that would be up in 72 hours and had 1,100 people working on it 24/7. That’s just a lie,” the source briefed on the internal conversations told me.

Reached for comment, a White House official said: “This is just another false story focused on rumors about palace intrigue instead of the actual aggressive measures President Trump has implemented to keep the American people safe and healthy.”
 

Leonard D Neubache

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A lot of people by this stage are "all in" on Trump, regardless of the evidence. Their analysis of his credibility at the 3.5 year mark is virtually identical to their analysis of his credibility at the .5 year mark in as much as there is no analysis because "he's going to come through, he just needs more time!"

A number of us here voiced serious concerns at the 6 month mark of his presidency that he was getting nowhere near the results he needed to in order to make a dent in the deep state.

But the magic of Trump is that he's simultaneously a genius 4D chess master god-emperor and also a poor old patriot captive to the dissent, misinformation and betrayals of those around him (whom he largely appointed).

What he is in reality is a snake-oil salesman. A grifter and a confidence man who has pulled perhaps the greatest con job in the history of the world.

edit: As per Rotekz's post, the Trump aficionados will now proceed to blame Jared and ignore the fact that Trump continually time after time puts his idiot son-in-law in a position to bring harm to hundreds of millions of Americans.
 
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Trump was the last hope of many. Disbelieving in him will bring people into the realization that they are fucked because there is no choice. Bill Still and another monetary reformer ran for office among the Libertarian party and even he lost because people there couldn't understand the difference between him or another actual globohomo-libertarian stooge. Still isn't even a real Libertarian and everyone at the top knows it.

Trump does things the way he does - with confidence, gut-feeling and reliance on some "experts". I am sure that he vetoed a few things and hindered the full globohomo train in many areas, but he is essentially a well-managed war-horse for the globalists. Someone like Obama is an obedient war-donkey while Hillary is more of a driver who knows a bit more, but one who is so viscious that she might endanger her masters with her behavior as well.

Blaming this c-virus action on Trump is misguided. He wasn't in on anything.

Ultimately the elite will use this to implement many measures which they were after for decades already. It does not even matter whether this thing is real, fake, over- or under-estimated. It's not behaving even remotely the same in most countries in the world.

The end result will be that the true ruling elite will have more laws in place to restrict your freedom, let you pay more, get rid of troublemakers much faster and more efficiently.
 
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scorpion said:
Worst case scenario:
- The virus becomes endemic to the population and is found to inflict permanent damage on many victims
- Normal life as we knew it becomes a thing of the past. The economy ceases to function
- The global economy enters a depression deeper than the Great Depression
-Far-left wing, practically Communist policies put in place across the U.S. and Western nations as emergency measures
- The economy is unable to recover and goods are rationed and distributed by the government
- Authoritarian police state in place. Severe reduction in personal freedoms and movement
- Laws passed to require mandatory vaccinations and chipping of all citizens to ensure order and economic stability

- Hundreds of millions of people out of work
- Mass civil unrest across the world
- Multiple first-world governments experience revolutions

In the absence of such a thing actually being the tribulation period. Would such a system be sustainable?

Would 1984 Big Brother Society be able to sustain its oppression of us?

I think if the medical system destroyed by socialism and socialism does its thing.

Oppression will be hindered by incompetence and red-tape. And repeated devastations of malnourished proles by pestilence will deprive said oppressive system of maintenance workers and taxes.

Technology may inevitably degrade and even brutal methods may have their limitations because of that.

The Soviet Union after all was only able to defeat the Germans with Logistical support via the land lease:


"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war. We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. We didn’t have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn’t have had anything to pull our artillery with."

-Georgy Zhukov


https://histrf.ru/uploads/media/default/0001/12/df78d3da0fe55d965333035cd9d4ee2770550653.pdf
 

Samseau

Owl
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Most of the critics of Trump are blaming the President for things he does not have the power to change by himself. Trump does massive, aggressive moves within his own sphere of power that leaves voters mostly satisfied. It's the other parts (Congress, <20% approval rating) of our government which are trash, and those with Trump Derangement Syndrome never seem to notice.

Please stop spamming threads with useless analysis that betray a huge ignorance on how the US Gov actually works.

Some examples:

He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

The preparation wasn't done by anyone in the government, not just the President. However, at least our President actually put down a travel ban which is why America is not suffering nearly as badly as Europe (yet). So blaming the President when literally 100% of the Western world is more guilty, is disingenuous, lying; no attentive American is going to take you seriously. You have TDS by focusing on one man in a vacuum.

He insisted nothing was wrong until people started getting sick and dying, and now saying “we’ll be stronger than ever before!” is just giving what may well turn out to be false hope to people with low IQs and people who get their information from “trusted authorities” (but I repeat myself). In retrospect I’m actually a bit ashamed of myself for having gotten caught up in his 2016 rhetoric.

So all you can say is that Trump acted like 100% of the rest of our government, which called Trump racist for even doing the mild act of a Chinese travel ban. So why focus on Trump if he acted like the rest of our government, except, you know, he actually did more than the rest of our government?

Why are Trump critiques so darn boring? Gets tiring reading broken records repeating the same critiques. At least give honest analysis, please!
 

Renzy

Pelican
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Simeon_Strangelight said:
Zagor said:

Some governments already admitted that they use the phones of people registered in the quarantine to track them.

After wristbands they will add RFID chips because they will claim that phones and wristbands are not enough.

To Track Coronavirus, Israel Moves to Tap Secret Trove of Cellphone Data - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/middleeast/israel-coronavirus-cellphone-tracking.html

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has authorized the country’s internal security agency to tap into a vast and previously undisclosed trove of cellphone data to retrace the movements of people who have contracted the coronavirus and identify others who should be quarantined because their paths crossed.

The unprecedented move to use data secretly gathered to combat terrorism for public health efforts was authorized on Sunday by Mr. Netanyahu’s holdover cabinet. It must still be approved by Parliament’s Secret Services Subcommittee.

I'm guessing that just like after 9/11 where changes were made to surveillance laws (eg Patriot Act), some of the new powers that the government will use to deal with this virus will be with us long after the virus is defeated. Those new powers will stay in place, ostensibly to "keep us safe".
 

Blaster

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lookslikeit said:
Assuming this corona will be a long-term mutating disease that will keep coming every year with same intensity or stronger.

SARS-CoV-1 didn't. Also it's likely that if this lingers, there will be people with immunity so it won't threaten to spread rapidly through the whole population.
 

Blaster

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eradicator said:
In 2009 the H1N1 Swine Flu infected 49,000,000 Americans. hospitalized 265,000 Americans and killed 12,469 Americans. And there was no hysteria, no pandemonium. And President Obama waited 4 months after WHO declared it a pandemic before he declared a national emergency. Those are the facts. My opinion says that this is totally political in a effort to hurt the economy before the 2020 elections.

Probably telling it to the crier by posting on this site but there you have it.

That's a Case Fatality Rate of .02%. Numbers aren't firm yet for COVID-19 yet, but that's two orders of magnitude less than some estimates. Let's say CFR for COVID-19 is 1%. That's almost 500,000 american deaths if 49 million Americans are infected. Meanwhile 49 million would be a very lowball estimate for number of infections, if no controls are implemented.

That is a HUGE difference. And of course, what you should have heard by now is that there's a huge risk of the healthcare system being overwhelmed, both due to the large number of pneumonia patients AND because they will be losing staff to stress and coronavirus itself. Not only will this raise the CFR of covid-19, but stress on hospitals will lead to increased deaths from other diseases that won't be able to get proper care.

There is a MASSIVE difference between this coronavirus and swine flu. Also, compared to the previous SARS coronavirus, this one is far more contagious. SARS-2003 was contained with something like 9,000 cases.
 

Enigma

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Leonard D Neubache said:
This is not to say that Xi is not a ruthless dictator who is responsible for horrible things such as the liquidation of the Uighur peoples and other atrocities, but the point is that the (((parasite))) didn't give a shit back then, and the only reason they're pretending to give a shit now and whipping up anti-Chinese anger among the Western goyim is because they want their current host, us Westerners, to expend our last dying gasp in an effort to crush Chinese self determination so the (((parasite))) can move to the new host before collapsing the West entirely.

If you doubt the stupidity of the current anti-China narrative then consider the following.

The globalists have been in China for centuries.

Who were the key players in the Opium Wars? Externally, it was the British Empire, who were controlled by the globalist bankers. Internally, it was a handful of families, most notably the Sassoons.

The Sassoons were based in Bombay. Where was the first foreign bank in China, established shortly after the Opium Wars, from? Bombay. Which (((British))) family did the Sassoons marry into? The Rothschilds.

The Rockefellers have been in China, openly, for nearly just as long. John was selling oil in China in the 1860s.
 

Leonard D Neubache

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Samseau said:
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So all you can say is that Trump acted like 100% of the rest of our government, which called Trump racist for even doing the mild act of a Chinese travel ban. So why focus on Trump if he acted like the rest of our government, except, you know, he actually did more than the rest of our government?
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That's precisely it. Trump is not special. By your own admission the only step he took was "mild" and other than that "he acted like the rest of (your) government".

So he gets little to no credit as being some sort of messianic political guru or even much of an outsider. Thus far the only thing he's demonstrated a talent for is showmanship, which is of little to no use in the face of a serious threat like a pandemic. So no, the people critical of him do not have TDS. They are simply finally beginning to note the extreme divergence between the expectations Trump built and the complete mediocrity he's delivered.

Promise big. Build hype. Deliver little. Dedicated followers attempt to keep the dissidents in line and enforce maintenance of the hype.

This is how a cult of personality works. You'll notice it functions a lot like North Korean politics. When something goes right it's Kim's genius at play. When something goes wrong it's because of dissidents who must be purged.

Kim is the greatest human to ever have existed and can do anything.

Kim is beset by malefactors and as such cannot do anything.

The people getting off the Trump train aren't claiming he's the worst president ever. They're just accepting that he's a chump the same as every other chump before him.
 
RE: Coronavirus Socioeconomic/Cultural/Political Ramifications

I'll make a few predictions:

1. Identity politics is dead. They'll try again, but this time it will be met with an overwhelming response to shut the fuck up with their first world problems.

2. The EU is a zombie. When it's time to examine the course of action, the EU will show that they did nothing at all to help, as they did nothing to help the migrant invasion. The EU does nothing to benefit ordinary europeans.

3. A bunch of rich and powerful older gentlemen will die off. This virus targets them specifically. Old, male, pre-existing condition. A lot of world leaders need to stay in those bunkers for the next year.

4. There's a real risk of civil war in the US. I hear even in California and Silicon Valley, people are buying guns and stocking up, talking about the risk from "poor families" and "increased violence".

5. There will be a real and serious push towards rural / semi-rural living. Plan accordingly.
 

Blaster

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911 said:
Samseau said:
Roosh said:
The virus is hereby known as the Chinese virus:


Powerful reframe by Trump. His re-election chances just improved tremendously. People's anger and loss will now be directed at China instead of him, and he can always point out how he did a travel ban against China and was called racist for it.

Gotta hand it to Trump, he can really take control of situations that seemingly look way beyond the point of salvaging.

EDIT: Looking at insane amount of liberal crying from this tweet means it was right on target.

Trump has fucked up, botched covid19, badly. You can't control a pandemic if you can't test on a massive scale. That's how China and Korea curbed their pandemic. Korea had less time to prepare, set up hundreds of safe testing stations and they've managed to keep a lid on the spread despite them being packed in dense cities like Seoul.

I'm not sure if it's plain incompetence, or if he's being set up to fail, or if the eugenicists are running the show in DC, the way they are in the UK with that ridiculous notion that if the people get infected, they no longer can get infected -problem solved!

He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

This focus on testing as some kind of rainbow-world perfect scenario that Trump could have done is just standard-issue leftoid Trump bashing. Yes, testing is very important and would have helped some. Acquiring more healthcare resources would have also helped some. But the key is "some," and would have to be accomplished at a time when Chinese manufacturing was paralyzed. Furthermore, while Trump is obviously leader of the country and buck stops there, the reality is that the country is FULL of leaders, many of whom were in much better positions to take immediate precautionary actions. How many Hospital administrators really had this on their radar before the crisis in Italy? How many Governors? Senators? Who was bitching about Trump's travel bans on China way back in January?

There comes a point during a natural disaster where you are really just fucked and there's nothing you can do, unless your preparation began long before the threat appeared. There was no time to build new dikes in New Orleans once Katrina was in the gulf. Preparedness for a pandemic of this magnitude would have to have been years in the making. We can't just double the number of ICU beds in 1 month.

And personally, while I think this shit is going to be bad, I predict that the US is in a much better position to handle a pandemic than most of Europe. We have almost 3 times more ICU beds per capita than Italy and France, 5 times more than the UK. I think Canada is on par with Italy and France. Lower population density may help slow the spread of the virus.
 

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