Coronavirus vaccine thread

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member

Moscow hospitals to deny routine treatment to patients who refuse Covid-19 vaccines, as Kremlin warns skepticism is costing lives​

People waiting for planned operations and other non-urgent medical treatment in Moscow will be denied care in the Russian capital’s hospitals if they have not been vaccinated against Covid-19, but are eligible to receive a jab.

The rule change, designed to protect patients, came from the city's Department of Health on Friday. Under the new measures, only those with certificates proving they have been immunized will be admitted onto wards for most types of treatment and procedures.

Emergency care, along with anti-cancer therapy and support for those with blood diseases, “will be provided, without exception, to every resident of the city, regardless of their vaccination status,” the city administration confirmed.

“A person who is in a hospital because of an injury or illness, by definition, has a weakened immune system. For such patients, coronavirus disease is especially dangerous,” officials said in a statement. “Every day, patients are transferred from Moscow clinics to Covid hospitals. If a week ago there were 130 such cases per day, then yesterday it was already almost 200.”

Earlier this week, Moscow became the first city in the world to make vaccination a requirement for employees in many public-facing industries. The order applied to a number of sectors, including people working in hospitality, transport and entertainment venues.

Businesses working in these sectors will be required to ensure no more than 40% of their staff are unvaccinated, with hefty fines for organizations falling foul of the measures.
 

BillMcNeal

Woodpecker
Can we stop feeding the troll?

The forum has changed a lot in recent years but where are the guys who stick to the old school rules?

Edit: what happened to the troll emoticon? :laugh:
Yeah when someone's first post on a Christian board is to call people "dumb Christian idiots," maybe they shouldn't (be allowed to) stick around. Certainly not worthy of debate in any event.
 

WhiteWolf

Woodpecker
Yeah, I mostly believe the mainstream sources, the opposing voices simply do not seem trustworthy at all.
Sorry dude, but you're brainwashed. I guess you're new here, because if you would have read this thread thorougly, you would know how much the mainstream media lies. They have been exposed so many times, it's almost funny if we weren't in such a sad situation.
But go get your vaccine, natural selection as far as i'm concerned.
 

C-Note

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Personally, I doubt that the COVID vaccinations is a secret conspiracy to make most of the world's population infertile or to implant tracking substances in everyone. "They" probably want to do this in the future, but I don't think they are doing it, yet, at least with this shot campaign.

However, I believe it's definitely a compliance test. If you study history, it seems that authoritarian, totalitarian political movements like Marxism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Maoism, Red Khmerism, and now Globalism implicitly understand the psychological and sociological power of compliance laddering. They understand it so well and so naturally that they don't even have to openly discuss it with each other. It's just common knowledge. They know that if they get the population to voluntarily comply with increasingly controlling dictums, it will make the people more supportive of their ideology.

They try to build a cult-like obeisance to their version of "science." Whether it be that humans are warming the planet, that humans are systematically racist, that annual shots (flu shot) are necessary to control deadly diseases, or what not, the end goal is to get the population to unquestionably submit themselves to authority and stop trying to be independent thinkers and doers, as that is dangerous for a movement that is trying to establish complete control. Once people have submitted, they are emotionally attached to ensuring that the authority they've submitted to succeeds. That's one reason why so many people get so angry when you tell them that you don't get the annual flu shot.
 

BillMcNeal

Woodpecker
Personally, I doubt that the COVID vaccinations is a secret conspiracy to make most of the world's population infertile or to implant tracking substances in everyone. "They" probably want to do this in the future, but I don't think they are doing it, yet, at least with this shot campaign.

However, I believe it's definitely a compliance test. If you study history, it seems that authoritarian, totalitarian political movements like Marxism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Maoism, Red Khmerism, and now Globalism implicitly understand the psychological and sociological power of compliance laddering. They understand it so well and so naturally that they don't even have to openly discuss it with each other. It's just common knowledge. They know that if they get the population to voluntarily comply with increasingly controlling dictums, it will make the people more supportive of their ideology.

They try to build a cult-like obeisance to their version of "science." Whether it be that humans are warming the planet, that humans are systematically racist, that annual shots (flu shot) are necessary to control deadly diseases, or what not, the end goal is to get the population to unquestionably submit themselves to authority and stop trying to be independent thinkers and doers, as that is dangerous for a movement that is trying to establish complete control. Once people have submitted, they are emotionally attached to ensuring that the authority they've submitted to succeeds. That's one reason why so many people get so angry when you tell them that you don't get the annual flu shot.
Lots of truth in there, except they (and most of us) are certainly aware that mRNA vaccines have a history of ADE that has not been conclusively overcome. Without animal testing for this round of shots, they have to be realistically thinking that maybe mass culling of vaccinated people will happen, maybe it won't. But if it does, all the better for their goals. If not, they'll try something else.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
I have never understood mostly intellectuals using this completely made-up, accepted without evidence assumption. It may be valid in the social circles of a middle-aged westerner working a cushy white collar job. But it sure isn't valid in politics.

If I say: "Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice." I sound just as clever but I'm actually closer to the truth.

In the last 100 years we have had two world-wars, countless genocides, government agencies experimenting unimaginably cruel on their own populace, false flag terrorism, the systematic poisoning with pharmaceuticals of billions and a hundred things more... and you still don't believe malice is a major driving factor in human behaviour among powerful people?
You also can't generalize it on the scale of a global hoax, you need to apply this to each individual person to asses the case of malice or incompetency. Then you will find that probably the majority are acting out of incompetence, lets be honest most people in the establishment, medicine and science already look like incompetent people from a glance. but for a smaller group there is no excuse they have proven themselves as competent and aware enough to climb the ranks to the top. So the only remaining option for them is malice. But its malice in our eyes, to them they are doing the right thing.
 
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N°6

Hummingbird
The issue with your logic is, like many people, you rush to attribute this to a conspiracy, when the most likely thing is incompetence in the production of the vaccine, or the fact it hasnt been fully tested yet.

Those two reasons are enough for me to say no to the vaccine.
 

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budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Lookie here. What all of you dumb Christian idiots...

"Psyop" troll...

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cyborg1337

Sparrow
Now there is a delta plus variant which may escape the AZ vaccines; Many people have predicted that is going to be a perpetual cycle.

Speaking to Sky News, Dr Lance Pinto, consultant respirologist at the Hinduja National Hospital, said: "We are quite concerned about the Delta plus variant, given that it has a mutation that was attributed to the Beta variant - escaping the immunity offered by the Astra vaccine (the vaccine received by a majority in India).

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...hird-wave-as-41-cases-detected-in-uk-12339709
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
18 year old kid had to be hospitalized within 48 hours of his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and subsequently had a heart attack.

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Teen Who Had Heart Attack After Pfizer Vaccine: ‘I’d Rather Have COVID’​

An 18-year-old from Springdale, Arkansas, who had a heart attack after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine said he’d rather get COVID than have a heart attack.

In an interview with The Defender, Isaiah Harris said he received his first dose of Pfizer on April 8 and second dose on April 30. Within 12 hours of the second dose, the teen developed a fever and chills. His father, Justin Harris, initially didn’t think much about it because he got sick after both doses of the Moderna vaccine, although his symptoms weren’t serious.

That wasn’t the case for Isaiah. Within 48 hours of the second dose, Isaiah’s heart started hurting “very very bad” and things started going downhill fast. Harris said they grew really concerned when their son started having trouble breathing.

“We took him to the hospital but they didn’t take him seriously,” Harris said. “We waited in the waiting room for over two hours and then they left him in a hallway for six hours. Things went from bad to worse while waiting in the hospital. That’s when he had his heart attack and one of his lungs filled up with fluid.”

Harris said it wasn’t until his wife — who was the only one allowed with Isaiah in the hallway due to COVID restrictions — told the staff multiple times her son was having a heart attack that they put him in a room and ran the EKG.

Isaiah’s EKG was abnormal and his numbers kept getting worse. At one point, 80% of Isaiah’s heart was inflamed and only 40% was functioning. Isaiah’s troponin levels were so high doctors said he had suffered a heart attack.

“Doctors kept denying it was the vaccine,” Harris said. “They didn’t want to say it was that. Then a nurse brought in a study showing the vaccine could cause myocarditis.”

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle that can lead to cardiac arrhythmia and death. According to researchers at the National Organization for Rare Disorders, myocarditis can result from infections, but “more commonly the myocarditis is a result of the body’s immune reaction to the initial heart damage.”

Isaiah was hospitalized for four days for “acute myocarditis,” Harris said. “Doctors were saying six months of total bed rest with medications to numb his heart. That’s when I got a hold of the surgeon general of Arkansas and he gave us the link to VAERS because the hospital didn’t do anything.”

VAERS is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reporting System.

Harris said he is bothered that the CDC is “passing this off” and “isn’t doing thorough research into this.”

Facing long recovery, Isaiah regrets getting the vaccine

Isaiah had a best friend with connections at the Cleveland Clinic who got him an appointment with Dr. Allan Klein, a heart specialist and director of the pericardial center at the Cleveland Clinic.

“The doctor at Cleveland is doing research on myocarditis. He’s seen 100 patients personally with myocarditis from the vaccine, and did early research on this when there were just 77 cases,” Harris said.

Isaiah, who graduated from community college as a senior in high school, said his condition right now is better than it was but he’s still in a little bit of pain.

“The swelling has gone down,” Isaiah said. “I used to lift every day but for three to six months I cannot do any physical activity. The most I can do is walk my dog. If I get my heart rate up, it can reoccur and I could have another heart attack.”

Isaiah said he had no pre-existing conditions prior to suffering a heart attack. “I was fairly healthy. I lift quite a bit. I’m active. I used to play football. No history of viruses or myocarditis.”

When asked if he would recommend the vaccine to other teens, Isaiah said, “I am not anti-vaccine, but I do not think anyone should get this vaccine. Even in Canada I was talking to someone and it was being lowered to one dose for teens and they’re still having issues.”

Isaiah’s father said:

“I’ll be honest with you. I used to think anti-vaxxers were different and my wife had already decided she wasn’t going to get the vaccine. For my other two boys, it was an option for them, but they opted out. Isaiah decided because he’s more social to get the vaccine and now I’m totally against it. The doctors said Isaiah cannot get the booster and vaccines are out for him.”

Harris said he’s totally against the vaccine, even though he got the Moderna shot, because the vaccines are causing myocarditis in older people, too. It’s just too dangerous and there aren’t enough studies, he said.

“Isaiah would have been better off to have COVID and be healthy than have a possible life-long issue with his heart, and now another possible heart attack if he over extends himself in the next three to six months,” Harris said.

“To look at Isaiah on the outside, he looks normal, but once you look at his numbers and the heart scans, it shows the inflammation — it shows a true case of myocarditis,” Harris said.

Harris said he thought he was doing the right thing and has an overwhelming feeling of guilt.

He said:

“I think you know, I feel as a parent — there were two sides of it. My wife didn’t want him to get vaccinated and as a dad, I wanted him to because Isaiah is very outgoing and he’s getting ready to enter pharmaceutical school at UAMS and I wanted him to be safe.

“Hearing the government push it — no matter if it was a republican or democrat president — this is what you need to do. I had hesitation but I did okay with Moderna. But I have an overwhelming guilt that I set up the appointment for Isaiah and encouraged him to go get it, even though he made his own choice. I helped him get the vaccine. I think as parents, maybe we need to step back and help educate ourselves and others. That’s why we finally shared his story — to educate people.”


Isaiah said, “I believe President Biden said in a recent statement that if you aren’t vaccinated, you’ll end up paying the price or you’ll have to wear a mask, but I’d rather have COVID than a heart attack.”
 

SeekingTruth

Kingfisher

Moscow hospitals to deny routine treatment to patients who refuse Covid-19 vaccines, as Kremlin warns skepticism is costing lives​



I wouldn’t worry about this too much in the US. There will always be private surgical centers that won’t come with all these rules. Plus this would open up a huge market for the unvaccinated. Additionally, care can never be refused through an emergency room no matter what.
 
I find the idea that the real 'virus' is coming and that the vaccines are your big saviors hilarious.

The vaccines never saved anything - not smallpox, not polio, not measles, nada - nothing. They only hurt people from the beginning - some vaxxes just impact less people. But this one is incredibly dangerous - won't protect you from anything.

And they certainly won't solve anything now.

Also the idea that the ruling elite loves white people so much and wants them vaxxed pronto is equally hilarious.

Africa rollout is obviously slow due to the lousy infrastructure there, but they will ramp up everything even if they have to send the Chinese military in order to 'help them battling the new Tanzanian strain'.
The "vaccine" being the cure also means that all children (birth-12 years) would perish as well along with the deplorables (assuming they are not getting the "vaccine" by the end of the year). As far as I know, the WHO is not approving the non-vaccine for young children. Why would the globalists want to murder the most malleable and programable population--children? It doesn't quite make sense.
 

Elipe

Pelican
Isaiah’s father said:

“I’ll be honest with you. I used to think anti-vaxxers were different and my wife had already decided she wasn’t going to get the vaccine. For my other two boys, it was an option for them, but they opted out. Isaiah decided because he’s more social to get the vaccine and now I’m totally against it. The doctors said Isaiah cannot get the booster and vaccines are out for him.”
We're not anti-vaxxers. We're pro-better-vax. Just because Microsoft Office sucks doesn't mean we're against office software. We want better office software.
 
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