Coronavirus vaccine thread

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
I am considering for the first time of my life corrupting a doctor or a nurse , in order for me and my family to never get this vaccine , in case it goes mandatory (and assuming it s a paper certificate , not a micro-chip).
Will God forgive me for this ? Is it moral or should I submit to the "law" ?
What do you mean corrupting? I certainly plan on obtaining vaccine credentials, without being vaccinated, if they are going to require vaccine credentials to travel or buy food.

I hadn't thought about the morality of asking a doctor to lie and state you received the vaccine when you wouldn't, though that is not the only way to obtain a vaccine credential. I'm hoping if there is any requirement, it is a digital certificate. A paper certificate would be worse and an implanted microchip or tattoo would be near impossible to fake, and surely many would realize we are facing an apocalyptic scenario at that point.
 

Johnny Rico

Woodpecker
I don't think we're at the microchip point yet. I have a Yellow Fever vaccination card and it could be easily forged. Americans will strongly resist a national database. You should be able to take Grandma's COVID vaccine card, scan it and alter it.

If I am wrong we're all screwed.
 
What do you mean corrupting? I certainly plan on obtaining vaccine credentials, without being vaccinated, if they are going to require vaccine credentials to travel or buy food.

I hadn't thought about the morality of asking a doctor to lie and state you received the vaccine when you wouldn't, though that is not the only way to obtain a vaccine credential. I'm hoping if there is any requirement, it is a digital certificate. A paper certificate would be worse and an implanted microchip or tattoo would be near impossible to fake, and surely many would realize we are facing an apocalyptic scenario at that point.
I mean , once in the room to make the vaccine , i get a big bunch of cash and hand it to the nurse/doctor , so he doesn't do the vaccine but registers us as "vaccinated" .
 

barrythecyborg

Woodpecker
I don't think we're at the microchip point yet. I have a Yellow Fever vaccination card and it could be easily forged. Americans will strongly resist a national database. You should be able to take Grandma's COVID vaccine card, scan it and alter it.

If I am wrong we're all screwed.
Interesting... I just bought a smart card reader so I can use my EU ID card (microchip) to do some admin...

It'll be such an easy step to add Vax status, then anything else.

It's such an obvious progression actually, I might just stay here.

So we're already there, pretty much.
 

barrythecyborg

Woodpecker
I am considering for the first time of my life corrupting a doctor or a nurse , in order for me and my family to never get this vaccine , in case it goes mandatory (and assuming it s a paper certificate , not a micro-chip).
Will God forgive me for this ? Is it moral or should I submit to the "law" ?
Man, such a simple solution... here I was trying to think how that pass could be faked, or how I can afford a yaucht/private jet, but all I'll need to do is find a sympathetic doc who'll take a bribe.

They've been paying off docs to get out of national service in RF for decades.

That's the answer.

Thank you.

Any doc who figures out how to market this service on the DL will do ok.

It surely won't be so easy though... like there'll be a nurse and a doc there, and you'd have to have both on board...

There'll be a way.
 
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SpyofMoses

Pigeon
I mean , once in the room to make the vaccine , i get a big bunch of cash and hand it to the nurse/doctor , so he doesn't do the vaccine but registers us as "vaccinated" .
If that actually works, I'd consider that a blessing. Isn't a doctor that's willing to "vaccinate" people against this already corrupt themselves? Hopefully they'd just be unwitting, but professionals with a medical background should know better by now.
 
If that actually works, I'd consider that a blessing. Isn't a doctor that's willing to "vaccinate" people against this already corrupt themselves? Hopefully they'd just be unwitting, but professionals with a medical background should know better by now.
I have no clue if it will work , but i think this might be a solution if it doesn't go full digital/microchip
 

andy dufresne

Woodpecker
Man, such a simple solution... here I was trying to think how that pass could be faked, or how I can afford a yaucht/private jet, but all I'll need to do is find a sympathetic doc who'll take a bribe.

They've been paying off docs to get out of national service in RF for decades.

That's the answer.

Thank you.

Any doc who figures out how to market this service on the DL will do ok.

It surely won't be so easy though... like there'll be a nurse and a doc there, and you'd have to have both on board...

There'll be a way.
I mentioned this before. Find an area with lots of poverty and go to a doctor there. Bribe the nurse or doctor. Maybe have you're own pre-filled syringe with saline.
 

EndlessGravity

Woodpecker
I mean , once in the room to make the vaccine , i get a big bunch of cash and hand it to the nurse/doctor , so he doesn't do the vaccine but registers us as "vaccinated" .
I cross-posted this in another thread but I'll respond with it here since it's relevant: last week I was denied regular medical services because I wouldn't wear a mask. I have a real medical condition that exempts me but the doctors didn't care. I was a threat, they said.

You're crazy if you think your idea has much possibility of working.
 

Stats

Robin
The end goal is to have both the vaccine certificates, ID and the new global crypto currency to be distributed throughout a persons blood stream. many tiny micro chips floating around in your blood so It cant be surgically removed like a micro chip could be. there will be no faking it. though this will likely take at least a decade to fully implement. with the first checkpoints being international travel but quickly spreading to all parts of every day life ending in all points of purchase scanning your new ID.
 

Stats

Robin
I think eventually it might have to come to the point where those health care providers that are 'just following orders' will need to be stopped by any means necessary.
 

barrythecyborg

Woodpecker
I cross-posted this in another thread but I'll respond with it here since it's relevant: last week I was denied regular medical services because I wouldn't wear a mask. I have a real medical condition that exempts me but the doctors didn't care. I was a threat, they said.

You're crazy if you think your idea has much possibility of working.
Where was this though.

I'd never hope to grease my way out of a speeding ticket in the UK.

I know people who've had offers accepted everytime here.
 

NoFunInAus

Sparrow
I wonder ((where))) this whole "vaccine" idea comes from...

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Vaccinations
The directives found in the Code of Jewish Law for avoiding danger don’t really carry any risks of their own (e.g., fleeing the city, not eating meat and fish together, or not putting coins into your mouth). Vaccinations, however, may have certain risks, however minuscule they may be. Thus presenting us with the question of whether one may take a small risk now in order to perhaps avoid a bigger risk later.]

 

Sisyphus

Robin
Well, the plan for mandatory vaccines is more or less official so those of us in the US should consider ourselves warned. Instead of editorializing, I'll just post this very chilling article in its entirety - with one exception. In the headline change the word "can" to "will."



The multiplicity of questions surrounding the deployment of an effective coronavirus vaccine include its aggressive development timeline, who’ll get access first, how to encourage people to take it, and whether it’ll work at all.

Still, there’s one key question that remains unanswered: Can governments — which are incurring considerable expenses to accelerate the development of a successful vaccine — forcibly inoculate its citizens?


That question was partly answered last week by Virginia, where the state’s top health official vowed to make a COVID-19 vaccination mandatory once a candidate was widely available. His stance underscored a theme several health experts emphasized: There are several (entirely legal) avenues by which citizens can be compelled to take a COVID-19 cure, whether they want to or not.

Generally speaking, the federal government’s options to mandate vaccinations are limited, according to Richard Hughes, managing director and vaccines leader at Avalere, a DC-based health care consultancy.

“Public health regulation has been left to the states, so I don’t see the federal government superseding states,” Hughes told Yahoo Finance in a recent interview.

With that being said, schools and employers are empowered by law to require workers and students to be vaccinated, Hughes explained. While “states legally could require everyone to do that...politically it would be very challenging,” he added.

Yet there are other ways in which governments can limit the ability of citizens to opt-out for reasons unrelated to health or religion. Many countries already require travelers to be vaccinated for certain diseases in order to cross their borders, and a potential COVID-19 inoculation is more than likely to join that list.

“Assuming an effective vaccine, countries, states and localities have broad leverage to promote the vaccine under current law,” Farley Cleghorn, a physician and global health practice head at consultancy Palladium, told Yahoo Finance.

“Countries can legally mandate vaccination to cross borders, as with yellow fever, and schools from kindergarten to universities can legally require vaccination for entry, as in much of the world for the expanded program of immunization and with limited medical exemptions,” he said.

Additionally, federal guidance defines COVID-19 as a “direct threat” to workplaces, meaning employers are permitted to implement anti-coronavirus protocols like temperature checks and testing, according to Cleghorn.

“If a vaccine is developed, employers may be able to require employees to become vaccinated and will have to evaluate accommodations for religious beliefs and/or disabilities,” he added.

The power to ‘promote public health’

With economic recovery expectations yoked inextricably to hopes for a vaccine by 2021, and the imperative to achieve herd immunity, officials have an incentive to get as many people inoculated as possible.

Yet that’s easier said than done in a wary electorate where universal mask-wearing remains a polarizing issue, and domestic anti-vaccination sentiment has hit a fever pitch.

Vivek Cherian, an internal medicine physician and a member of the American College of Physicians, told Yahoo Finance that “the best hope to fully reopening the economy and getting back to our pre-pandemic lives in large part comes down to development of a successful vaccine.”

However, Cherian pointed out that “a large portion of the U.S. population either delay or completely skip vaccinations” — including seasonal flu shots, which less than half of adults actually get each year, he said.


For those reasons, state governments “generally have the power to promote public health and require mandatory vaccinations. The bigger issue about either state or federally mandated vaccinations would be how controversial the decision would be viewed as,” Cherian added.
In the midst of a furious debate about sending children back to school in the midst of the pandemic, giving students a theoretical COVID-19 shot poses challenges of its own, according to Elaine Le, Healthline Media’s chief medical officer.
If a vaccine becomes available, “most parents would likely be leery of having their children be among the first to receive a vaccine, especially since children are not among the highest risk demographic affected by COVID-19,” Le told Yahoo Finance.
“Most parents would likely err on the side of caution and might opt to wait until more is known about the efficacy and safety of the new vaccine. Therefore, it would be difficult for schools to mandate the new vaccine in all school-age children,” she added.
“Usually, the decision to require a specific vaccine for school attendance is predicated on calculated benefits that far exceed the risks associated with the vaccine,” Le said.
“In this situation, it will be difficult to argue that the benefits would outweigh risks (for a fast-tracked vaccine), especially given that school-age children (or even college students) are not among the high-risk category,” she argued.

The trouble with herd immunity

According to a recent survey taken this month by The Harris Poll, 69% said they were somewhat or very likely to get the vaccine — below the accepted herd immunity threshold and reflecting a deep undercurrent of skepticism over a development process that normally takes years, but is being compressed into a matter of months.

Given the likelihood that an effective inoculation will fall short of 100%, experts say 75% would be ideal in preventing person-to-person spread.

However, that assumption is based on the idea that “ everyone is either vaccinated or already had the virus and is now immune, according to Cherian.

Yet the biggest caveat is if large swaths of the public skip vaccination, imperiling the ability to achieve herd immunity.

“I would say the skepticism about COVID-19 and the pandemic, and the belief that it’s a hoax...overlap with people that don’t want to wear masks and those who are vaccine hesitant,” Hughes explained. Those sentiments cut across racial and ethnic lines, and pose a stiff challenge to officials who need to encourage widespread vaccinations.

Of those surveyed by Harris’ poll, an overwhelming majority felt that health care and essential workers, seniors, and the immunocompromised should receive priority for vaccination — groups that Avalere’s Hughes said would be “in the front of the line” when a treatment became available.

Some have suggested that Blacks, who have been among the hardest hit by COVID-19, should also receive priority.

Yet that effort is complicated by the fact that “we have a history in this country...where African Americans don’t want to be experimented on,” Hughes said. “But there’s a balancing act here of considering the ethical questions and more balancing the risks and potential horrors.”

Absent a government mandate for a COVID-19 shot, experts stress that officials need to engage the public on the merits of taking the vaccine, and its safety.

It’s part of a broader campaign that Palladium’s Cleghorn called “the need to have a national conversation about access to and affordability of a coronavirus vaccine, [and] to the need to engage communities at most risk for virus transmission and vulnerability to the impact of COVID-19.”
 

homersheineken

Woodpecker
Well, the plan for mandatory vaccines is more or less official so those of us in the US should consider ourselves warned. Instead of editorializing, I'll just post this very chilling article in its entirety - with one exception. In the headline change the word "can" to "will."

lol since when are health officials worried about herd immunity? By definition, masks and social distancing (if they work as they allege), prevent developing a herd immunity.:hmm:
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Virginia Health Commissioner says he’ll mandate a COVID-19 vaccine
State Health Commissioner Dr. Norman Oliver told 8News on Friday that he plans to mandate coronavirus vaccinations for Virginians once one is made available to the public.

Virginia state law gives the Commissioner of Health the authority to mandate immediate immunizations during a public health crisis if a vaccine is available. Health officials say an immunization could be released as early as 2021.

Dr. Oliver says that, as long as he is still the Health Commissioner, he intends to mandate the coronavirus vaccine.
 
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