Coronavirus vaccine thread

It's a shame that they're doing this psyop again (I do not believe COVID even exists).
I am a young man, currently in the process of trying to get my first job in tech, which is what I studied for. I live in a third world country so every single tech-related company that operates here is US-based and they have all the various kinds of rot you'd expect to see in large American companies. I'm sure they will all start enthusiastically enforcing vax requirements before our government even makes a mandate. I have no idea what to do as this basically destroys all the plans I had for the next 2-5 years. Moving out of the city is unfortunately not an option for me. I would greatly appreciate any advice anyone here is willing to give me.
 
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Mister Powerhouse said:
It's a shame that they're doing this psyop again (I do not believe COVID even exists).
I am a young man, currently in the process of trying to get my first job in tech, which is what I studied for. I live in a third world country so every single tech-related company that operates here is US-based and they have all the various kinds of rot you'd expect to see in large American companies. I'm sure they will all start enthusiastically enforcing vax requirements before our government even makes a mandate. I now have no idea what to do as this puts a huge wrench in all the plans I had for the next 5 years. Any advice?
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“ Worrying “ about what might happen accomplishes nothing. Pursue your goals but always know that life will throw you the unexpected. It’s not a matter of if, only when.

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Mister Powerhouse said:
It's a shame that they're doing this psyop again (I do not believe COVID even exists).
I am a young man, currently in the process of trying to get my first job in tech, which is what I studied for. I live in a third world country so every single tech-related company that operates here is US-based and they have all the various kinds of rot you'd expect to see in large American companies. I'm sure they will all start enthusiastically enforcing vax requirements before our government even makes a mandate. I have no idea what to do as this basically destroys all the plans I had for the next 2-5 years. Moving out of the city is unfortunately not an option for me. I would greatly appreciate any advice anyone here is willing to give me.
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Stall, feign confusion, and lie.

Stall: The science says that at risk communities should get the jab first. You are waiting for all of the underserved communities to get the shot. You are waiting until there are enough vaccines for everyone. You can only do it on Friday but then something always comes up...

Feign confusion: You totally forgot about the appointment. You thought it was Wednesday. You lost your keys. Your dog got loose you had to look for him. You drove to the wrong pharmacy.

Lie: You are fully vaccinated. You lost your card.

In the rare event that some manager or HR person actually presses you, just be really nice and agreeable but stall feign confusion and lie.

So stall in the beginning and then when you miss the first deadline you'll start feigning confusion and then if it actually comes down to you getting fired, just lie and say you got the vaccine.

If they ask the to see your vaccine card then just stall, feign confusion, and lie...

Don't let these clowns take you down. Good luck.

Edit: rereading what I wrote the better strategy might be to just say you got it early but your card is "at your parents house".

This makes the lie much simpler to maintain and you can just stall, feign confusion, and lie indefinitely. They're not going to fire you if you maintain that you have been vaccinated the whole time, more likely HR will just stop bothering you.

Not sure how this forum will react to my advice to lie but that's what I would do if I was intent on keeping my job like OP.
 
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Neighbor said:
Feign confusion: You totally forgot about the appointment. You thought it was Wednesday. You lost your keys. Your dog got loose you had to look for him.
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Sorry boss, the dog ate my vaccines.

Joking aside, I'm pretty sure lying isn't the right thing to do. Besides that, it's a tool of the weak. We're not going to lie our way out of a genocidal tyranny.
 
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GuitarVH said:
Telling someone to commit an obvious sin to keep a job is not good advice. If he told them he was gay or trans, maybe they would cut him a break. Should he do that too?
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If saying he was gay meant he didn't have to take the vaccine, I would definitely recommend that strategy.

Obviously I don't think lying to prevent evil is a sin.
 
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Mister Powerhouse said:
It's a shame that they're doing this psyop again (I do not believe COVID even exists).
I am a young man, currently in the process of trying to get my first job in tech, which is what I studied for. I live in a third world country so every single tech-related company that operates here is US-based and they have all the various kinds of rot you'd expect to see in large American companies. I'm sure they will all start enthusiastically enforcing vax requirements before our government even makes a mandate. I have no idea what to do as this basically destroys all the plans I had for the next 2-5 years. Moving out of the city is unfortunately not an option for me. I would greatly appreciate any advice anyone here is willing to give me.
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Absolutely don't explicitly lie, like others here have suggested. That will give them something to use against you and might get you fired by itself.

Instead, drag your feet as long as you can.

Look into how to get religious exemptions, and see if this can apply to you. This will probably work in most cases.

If push comes to shove, say that you are uncertain about side effects and that you feel unsafe. It is very important to state that you feel unsafe and to get this on record. Say that you will only take the vaccine if the company will assume unlimited liability for any and all side effects and damages.

Hopefully that will get them off your back.

But also and most importantly, remember not to worry about hypothetical scenarios.
 
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Blade Runner said:
This is what you really have to consider.

"Lying" being a sin is logically incoherent. It always depends on the context.
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You downvoted me for telling someone they shouldn't lie? That's surprising.

Then you say "lying being a sin is logically incoherent"? What on earth are you talking about?

Some of the last 6 or 7 posts have me confused, something which doesn't happen very often.

The concept of bearing false witness seems pretty straight-forward to me. Is there some greater philosophical idea of moral relativism that some contributors here believe in?
 
GuitarVH said:
You downvoted me for telling someone they shouldn't lie? That's surprising.

Then you say "lying being a sin is logically incoherent"? What on earth are you talking about?

Some of the last 6 or 7 posts have me confused, something which doesn't happen very often.

The concept of bearing false witness seems pretty straight-forward to me. Is there some greater philosophical idea of moral relativism that some contributors here believe in?
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Lying to totalitarian psychopaths is a moral prerequisite.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with lying to fascists that want to control your life. In fact, it is the opposite of wrong. But you have to be careful about it.

If you lie about something they can and will find out about in a workplace, you will get in trouble.
 
SeaEagle said:
I was under the impression that the ends don't justify the means. Would you care to elaborate? This has always stumped me.
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@GuitarVH also has some difficulty with this concept, and I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm surprised I have to explain it. So as not to be one, I'll explain it quickly, in an ironic way for this forum:

Gestapo knocks on your door, asks you a question or 5, and you mindlessly (because you're such a good person, right?) turn and point to the attic. They go get Anne, take her to her death, and you sit back and drink a coffee, satisfied that you "did the right thing."

Come on, now. I expect more.
 
Blade Runner said:
@GuitarVH also has some difficulty with this concept, and I'm not trying to be a prick but I'm surprised I have to explain it. So as not to be one, I'll explain it quickly, in an ironic way for this forum:

Gestapo knocks on your door, asks you a question or 5, and you mindlessly (because you're such a good person, right?) turn and point to the attic. They go get Anne, take her to her death, and you sit back and drink a coffee, satisfied that you "did the right thing."

Come on, now. I expect more.
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No difficulty here, I'm not into splitting hairs about lying techniques. You can remain silent if authorities ask you questions if you so choose. You don't have to offer information that you don't want to but of course that's not what we're talking about.

The question arose because a new poster was worried he might get a job and the company might later on institute a vax requirement. Another poster was suggesting techniques to deceive or lie about his vax status.

My point is that no one is going to be able to lie their way out of this situation. People have to stand up for their own bodily autonomy which also benefits every other person trying to stand up for their own bodily autonomy in a similar situation. The whole concept is monstrous and has to be defeated with defiance and non-compliance. For everyone's sake.

The straw-man scenario from Blade Runner above is of course ludicrous and not at all comparable to the potential work scenario in question. The global authority seeks to implement forced medication through the back-door of employers so that governments can claim that it's not being mandated by them.
 
GuitarVH said:
Telling someone to commit an obvious sin to keep a job is not good advice. If he told them he was gay or trans, maybe they would cut him a break. Should he do that too?
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That's a ridiculous response, dude. And you know it.

Not all lies/sins are equal. In fact, there is almost an infinite number of variations and levels to it. The most obvious being, the severity of consequence which dictates the reason for lying.

If you stole a bottle of liquor from a liquor store, got caught, then said you didn't in fact steal the bottle hidden in your pants; that is shameful. You benefit no one, while engaging in theft from a presumable hard working small business owner.

Now, lying about the vax? I would quickly and easily suggest it's as much about the individual's short and long term health as it is about the health of his current or future wife, as well as and more importantly, the health of his future children.

Lying about the vax does not negatively impact others. You're not stealing. You're not harming. You're simply not complying with a corrupt regime. You're left with what you feel is no other option than to protect your most vital necessities to survive, your income and your health, which you pass down to your children. You're literally protecting your ability to be stable and contribute positively to society.

I am not suggesting someone should lie. Simply pointing out the ridiculousness if equating all lies as equal. And would I lie to protect my wife and children? Damn right I would if I was backed into a corner. And God can judge me, with me knowing I did it with the intention to preserve the life and well being of those closest to me.

Dead men help no one.

Sure it sounds cool and full of bravado on the internet to tell someone to righteously take a stand and risk losing everything, become homeless, but rest easily knowing you were completely honest in dealing with the enemy.

Then there's reality.

Have to do your best, with the best intentions while still surviving and often carrying the responsibility of loved ones.
 
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