COVID Passport thread

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
Three generations of Lenin's Useful Idiots have spawned a generation of Useless Idiots...

Less 1984, more Gilliam's Brazil...?

New York's Vaccine Passport Program Is Already Failing​


New York’s rollout of its vaccine passport already has the markings of a five alarm dumpster fire. The New York State “Excelsior Pass” vaccine passport system, which was created by IBM, has so many issues that I wouldn’t be surprised if the program was scrapped altogether before the end of the calendar year. It has massive security flaws, a shrinking customer base by design, it remains incredibly impractical, and it’s incredibly easy to manipulate. Excelsior Pass sucks, thanks to the idiocracy that was responsible for its design and implementation.

A rigid system

Say you want to attend a Knicks game this evening at Madison Square Garden, a partner to the Excelsior Pass program. It’s 9 a.m. and your event is at 7:30 p.m. If you don’t have the vaccine yet, that means you will need to obtain a negative COVID-19 test to receive your pass. Want to take that test this morning? Not so fast! The antigen test needs to have been administered within the last 6 hours, so you better plan your entire day around navigating that short window between your COVID test and the event this evening.

Just received your second dose and you’re ready to hit the town? Not so fast! You must wait at least two weeks before your green check mark appears on your vaccine passport.

Has it been more than 90 days since your last dose? Rejected! You only have a 76 day window (more than 14 days, under 90 days) to acquire a vax pass, which has to be renewed every 30 days.

Received a vaccine or COVID test from out of state? Took a private at home test kit or a test from a provider that is not registered in the New York State central database? Looks like you’re out of luck. You will not be able to receive your prized Excelsior Pass, because your information never made it into the system.

 

kel

Ostrich
This is the hope, as I've said before: it'll just be a sh.tshow and lower-key places (restaurants, grocery stores, etc) will just give up.

This is why I'll be concerned when the CCP gets involved. Not because "muh communism", but because they actually can make something that works that the US government can not and even multinationals really can't.
 
When you say 'best out of it' do you mean 'out of the country' or just lie low and hope it crumbles?

I feel like there is stronger resistance for this than the lockdowns by far.

Out of the country...

I wouldn't bank on a Great Awakening.

The last protest in London was what 50,000 people?... out of a population of 9M, 50% of whom (at least) are knee-deep in Kool-Aid, and 40% are more worried about keeping their residency/visas.

And these POS have been planning this for decades... they have a plan if 50K becomes 500K (and even that's only a fraction).

Also don't underestimate how lost most normies are. Realizing the truth and hitting the streets would mean accepting the government, the doctors, the BBC are all lying (and have been lying to them for decades). Unthinkable.

Hope didn't work out too well for Jews that chose to hunker in Nazi Germany.

When travel passes drop, it's a good bet that they'll be a digital extension of what we have now. So if your citizen/resident of a country, you won't require a vax to enter/board.

If you leave now and head to a country where you can get temp. res, you'll likely be able to return to the UK and have the option to leave.

The current rule in Australia is that Australians can't leave unless they are not ordinarily resident in the country. Fair to assume the UK will follow that.

The risk is that the UK demand vaccines to enter/upgrades to leave. Then the question is do you really want to return to a country that treats it's citizens like that?

Estonia is a test state for the digital passports (currently in place). The rule is citizens/residents can return even if they show symptoms of the disease.

Imagine Bojo showing respect like that. (anyway, half the morons would cry boooo!).
 

mr2

Pigeon
Try to find a friend or friend of a friend who is in (or was in) pharmaceutical sales. They know many doctors and tend to know their political leanings. That's your best chance in my opinion.

Possibly browsing your LinkedIn might turn up a couple that you could reach out to for 'recommendations on where to get privately vaccinated'.

I heard that the local university (Western USA) has a Covid test where you spit into a tube. IMO, this is better than the swab on the stick where you may be getting something from them. They can still get your DNA from it (that's how 23 and me does it).
 

budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member
Three generations of Lenin's Useful Idiots have spawned a generation of Useless Idiots...
Below is some screenshots of complaints by users that actually downloaded and used the Excelsior Pass app. That's what happened when IBM outsourced their products. LMAO

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godfather dust

Hummingbird
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I don't know who this (((guy))) is, but he's some sort of YouTuber who makes videos with his wife.




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This is the general attitude of the fanatics.

If the vaccine works, the unvaccinated are not endangering the lives of Klein or other vaccinated people. We are voluntarily accepting any risk of covid that the shot is supposed to mitigate and not receive it.

It is easily apparent that they want the passport not to protect people, but to punish those who disobey the orders issued on television.
 
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Tippy

Sparrow
Out of the country...

I wouldn't bank on a Great Awakening.

The last protest in London was what 50,000 people?... out of a population of 9M, 50% of whom (at least) are knee-deep in Kool-Aid, and 40% are more worried about keeping their residency/visas.

And these POS have been planning this for decades... they have a plan if 50K becomes 500K (and even that's only a fraction).

Also don't underestimate how lost most normies are. Realizing the truth and hitting the streets would mean accepting the government, the doctors, the BBC are all lying (and have been lying to them for decades). Unthinkable.

Hope didn't work out too well for Jews that chose to hunker in Nazi Germany.

When travel passes drop, it's a good bet that they'll be a digital extension of what we have now. So if your citizen/resident of a country, you won't require a vax to enter/board.

If you leave now and head to a country where you can get temp. res, you'll likely be able to return to the UK and have the option to leave.

The current rule in Australia is that Australians can't leave unless they are not ordinarily resident in the country. Fair to assume the UK will follow that.

The risk is that the UK demand vaccines to enter/upgrades to leave. Then the question is do you really want to return to a country that treats it's citizens like that?

Estonia is a test state for the digital passports (currently in place). The rule is citizens/residents can return even if they show symptoms of the disease.

Imagine Bojo showing respect like that. (anyway, half the morons would cry boooo!).
Right, I suppose I mean that even MSM has put together some anti vaccine passport stories. And even super pro lockdown people in my family can see the extremism in vaccine passports.

Which country are you considering moving to?

I have roots and a safety net of family in the UK. If I move then I'll be going into an uncertain and unknown situation with no support network. I fear my family would not support my decision (and would therefore not be super helpful if I fuck things up). I still think God's plan involves me being connected and helpful to others, which includes family foremost. The dangers of falling into the temptations of satan are much stronger when you are alone in a foreign country.

Sometimes I watch movies and forget all this is going on and think, 'they can't force me to get this vaccine. And if it comes to not being able to go to the pub or do basically anything, I'll just become a total hermit. And in a new country, won't I be working online all day and living a somewhat reclusive life there too anyway?' So I don't know man. I hope things aren't as bad as you say, but your post struck a chord with my own darkest fears.
 
As far as I know Turkey had serious tracking system in place for citizens/residents earlier in 2020 and one couldn't even get on a bus without scanning a code and getting a permit to travel.
In Istanbul, the HES code system is in place right now.

Sounds like Chinese system:
Yep they track. But it is very cheap and their currency very weak. This opens up a lot of newly found freedoms.
But surely Turkey is not very high up my personal list. I guess one better speak turkish too
 
Right, I suppose I mean that even MSM has put together some anti vaccine passport stories. And even super pro lockdown people in my family can see the extremism in vaccine passports.

Which country are you considering moving to?

I have roots and a safety net of family in the UK. If I move then I'll be going into an uncertain and unknown situation with no support network. I fear my family would not support my decision (and would therefore not be super helpful if I fuck things up). I still think God's plan involves me being connected and helpful to others, which includes family foremost. The dangers of falling into the temptations of satan are much stronger when you are alone in a foreign country.

Sometimes I watch movies and forget all this is going on and think, 'they can't force me to get this vaccine. And if it comes to not being able to go to the pub or do basically anything, I'll just become a total hermit. And in a new country, won't I be working online all day and living a somewhat reclusive life there too anyway?' So I don't know man. I hope things aren't as bad as you say, but your post struck a chord with my own darkest fears.

If your family is likeminded like you, you better stay. But if they are not they will be those who pressure you the most to give in. (like happens in my case).

So being far away can be a blessing.

Just pick a place where you speak the local language or the language of commerce and you will not be isolated.
Also pick a place which allows for socialising and you will be ok.
 
Right, I suppose I mean that even MSM has put together some anti vaccine passport stories. And even super pro lockdown people in my family can see the extremism in vaccine passports.

Which country are you considering moving to?

I have roots and a safety net of family in the UK. If I move then I'll be going into an uncertain and unknown situation with no support network. I fear my family would not support my decision (and would therefore not be super helpful if I fuck things up). I still think God's plan involves me being connected and helpful to others, which includes family foremost. The dangers of falling into the temptations of satan are much stronger when you are alone in a foreign country.

Sometimes I watch movies and forget all this is going on and think, 'they can't force me to get this vaccine. And if it comes to not being able to go to the pub or do basically anything, I'll just become a total hermit. And in a new country, won't I be working online all day and living a somewhat reclusive life there too anyway?' So I don't know man. I hope things aren't as bad as you say, but your post struck a chord with my own darkest fears.

Most destinations where you might choose to head to, foreigners will pretty much only be there if they are running from this nightmare, and part of the minority who know what's up.

In places like Ukraine/Belarus... pretty much all foreigners I've met (really not many) fall into that category, and have become good friends, because so few people are awake to this nightmare.

Family... what can you do man? I don't know your situation, but for me, either way it's massively divisive... the difference this way is I save the resentment of being pulled back into the pit.

Yeah, live in the shadows. Sure, what do you really lose, the pub, cinema, events... I just fear in a the very near future it won't be an option. Just look at Canada/New York?

Remember when vaccine passports were a 'theory'? Well now it's quarantine camps.

Countries, PM.
 
All it took was one skinny nearsighted billionaire who faked his way through academia and computing who then bought out every asshole with a position in key industries to unleash the most retarded schema ever concocted on the entire world and the whole human population fell in suit, almost makes you think we all deserve this tyranny for being so limp-wristed and weak, but then again this was a plan decades (possibly centuries / millennia) in the making.

The crux of the quarantine camp or detention for people who don't follow along with the covidian religion wills till hinge on people being grabbed and bagged, mass arrests, war of attrition starving people out and offering them food in quarantine camps etc, or who knows, given Biden's laziness he may just call us all terrorists and start drone strikes on neighborhoods to weed out the dissidents. Every cop thug who has to go place people into custody for transportation to covidian detention centers knows that their life will be at stake the moment they show up for their first collar. The police are such a joke that they didn't even tell these satanic mayors to go screw themselves because "muh pension" and just let the animals destroy all the human dwellings. They certainly don't have the balls (though maybe the unlimited budget) to wage street warfare against millions of people with nothing to lose.
 
All it took was one skinny nearsighted billionaire who faked his way through academia and computing who then bought out every asshole with a position in key industries to unleash the most retarded schema ever concocted on the entire world and the whole human population fell in suit, almost makes you think we all deserve this tyranny for being so limp-wristed and weak, but then again this was a plan decades (possibly centuries / millennia) in the making.

The crux of the quarantine camp or detention for people who don't follow along with the covidian religion wills till hinge on people being grabbed and bagged, mass arrests, war of attrition starving people out and offering them food in quarantine camps etc, or who knows, given Biden's laziness he may just call us all terrorists and start drone strikes on neighborhoods to weed out the dissidents. Every cop thug who has to go place people into custody for transportation to covidian detention centers knows that their life will be at stake the moment they show up for their first collar. The police are such a joke that they didn't even tell these satanic mayors to go screw themselves because "muh pension" and just let the animals destroy all the human dwellings. They certainly don't have the balls (though maybe the unlimited budget) to wage street warfare against millions of people with nothing to lose.
I do not believe nor can anyhow imagine how a plan for decades can be possible to pull thru when it is even hard to decide going to the same holiday destination with 5 friends or going to the cinema with 10 friends.

It is more likely that human nature is always the same and it moves in cycles.
What we have now is like before the fall of Rome. Decadence, ignorance, bread and circus, tyranny etc. Nothing really new these days.
That is how I see it.
 

Tippy

Sparrow
Yeah, live in the shadows. Sure, what do you really lose, the pub, cinema, events... I just fear in a the very near future it won't be an option. Just look at Canada/New York?

It's a worry for sure. Though they haven't announced this ....I don't have high hopes for the pushback on this.

I just have to realise that this is basically something I will not agree to. Even if it means living in exile in total isolation. Pretty dark thing to have to think for some stupid virus.

The only thing I worry about with moving is you just don't know if things will change in that country. You're maybe on a temp visa so have to fly out at some point...what if the vax rules have changed? Do you have to start travelling across Europe or whatever by bus instead?

Also, if it's a new country you have no idea how you will be able to adapt or fit in or where to go/what to do in a crisis. Espec if your family cut you off from support (which for me I think is quite likely since they will interpret this as a bit of a selfish fuck you if I did it). When you get to the new place, after the initial wanderlust has worn off - do you like it? Is it really better beyond just being not your home country? That's the tough thing to make sense of.

So basically staying makes more sense in a kind of safety by numbers sense.

But in terms of constantly evading the new normal? I agree the UK appears one of the most draconian enforcers.

But even if they want this vaccine passport I for one won't be a part of it and won't take the vaccine. I'm even realising I might have to die on this hill, sorry to sound ridiculously dramatic.
 
I do not believe nor can anyhow imagine how a plan for decades can be possible to pull thru when it is even hard to decide going to the same holiday destination with 5 friends or going to the cinema with 10 friends.

It is more likely that human nature is always the same and it moves in cycles.
What we have now is like before the fall of Rome. Decadence, ignorance, bread and circus, tyranny etc. Nothing really new these days.
That is how I see it.

It's a worry for sure. Though they haven't announced this ....I don't have high hopes for the pushback on this.

I just have to realise that this is basically something I will not agree to. Even if it means living in exile in total isolation. Pretty dark thing to have to think for some stupid virus.

The only thing I worry about with moving is you just don't know if things will change in that country. You're maybe on a temp visa so have to fly out at some point...what if the vax rules have changed? Do you have to start travelling across Europe or whatever by bus instead?

Also, if it's a new country you have no idea how you will be able to adapt or fit in or where to go/what to do in a crisis. Espec if your family cut you off from support (which for me I think is quite likely since they will interpret this as a bit of a selfish fuck you if I did it). When you get to the new place, after the initial wanderlust has worn off - do you like it? Is it really better beyond just being not your home country? That's the tough thing to make sense of.

So basically staying makes more sense in a kind of safety by numbers sense.

But in terms of constantly evading the new normal? I agree the UK appears one of the most draconian enforcers.


But even if they want this vaccine passport I for one won't be a part of it and won't take the vaccine. I'm even realising I might have to die on this hill, sorry to sound ridiculously dramatic.

It's a worry for sure. Though they haven't announced this ....I don't have high hopes for the pushback on this.

I just have to realise that this is basically something I will not agree to. Even if it means living in exile in total isolation. Pretty dark thing to have to think for some stupid virus.

The only thing I worry about with moving is you just don't know if things will change in that country. You're maybe on a temp visa so have to fly out at some point...what if the vax rules have changed? Do you have to start travelling across Europe or whatever by bus instead?

Also, if it's a new country you have no idea how you will be able to adapt or fit in or where to go/what to do in a crisis. Espec if your family cut you off from support (which for me I think is quite likely since they will interpret this as a bit of a selfish fuck you if I did it). When you get to the new place, after the initial wanderlust has worn off - do you like it? Is it really better beyond just being not your home country? That's the tough thing to make sense of.

So basically staying makes more sense in a kind of safety by numbers sense.

But in terms of constantly evading the new normal? I agree the UK appears one of the most draconian enforcers.


But even if they want this vaccine passport I for one won't be a part of it and won't take the vaccine. I'm even realising I might have to die on this hill, sorry to sound ridiculously dramatic.

Well, maybe they haven't announced it (yet)... but it's kinda been leaked. Or at least the Canadian plan has, and they're all the same in the west. Check this interview with Dr Buttar (last 1/3) www.londonreal.tv/buttar.

Hitch-hike more likely. Check out what's already happening with public transport in places like Istanbul.

As for family, at some point they will all finally realise you have been right for all these years... and you just might be able to give them an actual reason to travel, who knows? For sure you won't be able to do that if you stay in the pot with them.

I haven't been in the UK for a year, but just watching the news and speaking to family... what these cunts are doing to the world. Wherever you went, chances are you'll find a network of expats who know what's up, rather than masses of morons.

Maybe I have an exaggerated view of the UK, from seeing gastapo police kettling innocents and all that, but it looks hellish from here.
 
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