Covid travel restrictions for entering the USA

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
It's not only about this 'pandemic', it's a new phase of the system of technocratic control. I don't think you're seeing this and I don't mean that in a condescending way at all.
You'll still be able to travel for as long as you comply with the regulations/restriction in place at the time, which probably will include having up-to-date vaccinations like many countries are announcing (Italy, Austria, France, Canada, USA, and so on). You can say that's not the whole world and you're right, it's only the western nations, so maybe restrictions will only apply in the west and the rest of the world will just go on as they please...I wouldn't be on it, nbut maybe I'm being too cynical right?
I know there is a hidden agenda. "deep state". It's just an intuition that the best way to attack it is on face value, cause the "science" is full of holes and deception anyway.

Anyway, possibly more than a few places will fall under a new technocratic control. Just that many, especially freedom loving people with their eyes open will probably manage to escape and be saved.

Really, just a few western countries going their own way and maintaining freedom will eventually provoke revolution in the others. I just can't manage to be that negative about it.
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
I know there is a hidden agenda. "deep state". It's just an intuition that the best way to attack it is on face value, cause the "science" is full of holes and deception anyway.

Anyway, possibly more than a few places will fall under a new technocratic control. Just that many, especially freedom loving people with their eyes open will probably manage to escape and be saved.

Really, just a few western countries going their own way and maintaining freedom will eventually provoke revolution in the others. I just can't manage to be that negative about it.
Well, it's no good to be negative for the sake of it, especially if you're a young lad which I suspect you are.
The governments now are totally godless, and to a good degree that reflects the population. We have the Pope himself advocating for vaccination and 'zero carbon emissions' whatever that means. He is not preaching the Gospel or subjective truth, and that's probably the best hint that either we are at the brink of a new God consciousness and breakaway communities of God fearing people will spread, or we are in the end times.
This is an individual battle, so to an extent I don't think it matters that much what country you are in but things you do to become less dependant on the big govt/corp conglomerate. Networking with likeminded people who you'll find in any western country is of utmost importance. You don't fight fire with fire, like you don't fight a system with the same tools that system creates, you build new ones.
You know how in communism is about destroying the old to build the new, that's why it always fails because that's the wrong approach.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
I'm sure there are loopholes
Prefer the term "get in through the back door"

There is no shortage of direct flights from Frankfurt to Dallas, 10 hours 55.

I wish it made a difference which state you flew into. Anyway, this all kills the mood somewhat, it was supposed to be tourism, or an odyssey, not the art of fake paperwork or obscure loopholes.

Anyway if anyone knows anything about this too spicy to post on the forum, send me a PM about it.

There is somewhere in Europe I once needed to go urgently at the height of the mania, and I managed to track down a loophole, exploit it and it worked. Was stressful though. Probably will have to get innovative about it, like that French guy who enroled in a university course to go to Guadeloupe. What reason however will allow entry unvaccinated into the US, that is the question..
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
Prefer the term "get in through the back door"

There is no shortage of direct flights from Frankfurt to Dallas, 10 hours 55.

I wish it made a difference which state you flew into. Anyway, this all kills the mood somewhat, it was supposed to be tourism, or an odyssey, not the art of fake paperwork or obscure loopholes.

Anyway if anyone knows anything about this too spicy to post on the forum, send me a PM about it.

There is somewhere in Europe I once needed to go urgently at the height of the mania, and I managed to track down a loophole, exploit it and it worked. Was stressful though. Probably will have to get innovative about it, like that French guy who enroled in a university course to go to Guadeloupe. What reason however will allow entry unvaccinated into the US, that is the question..
We'll have to wait and see, this kind of restrictions can't go on forever. It's about getting people into biometrics and digital money, even implants, but it's been too forceful and authoritarian, besides the lies are too obvious. Listen to the wackos they have in Australian govt making announcements, even normies cringe at that kind of madness, so i think they'll have to back off a little. Let's not forget this is an experiment, just like every war, in the sick minds of the ones who come up with these plans.
 

wolfinsheepsclothing

Chicken
Orthodox
My cousin's wife, dual Mexico/US citizen, is flying to Mexico next month and then back. She's vaxxed, I believe. I will ask her what the experience at the airport is like either way and update here.

Would like this thread and forum at large to focus more or practical information and strategies than doomerpoasting (which I do myself sometimes, I admit).
Have you received any updates about what documents were required for her entry?

I'm going to be making an international flight soon and the United States will be one of my stops.

I know about the current entry restrictions for unvaccinated individuals. Just wondering how they confirm if someone is vaccinated or unvaccinated.
 

wolfinsheepsclothing

Chicken
Orthodox
To anyone who has firsthand experience or personally knows someone who has experience with this, how do they check or verify vaccination status at US airports for international travelers who are entering the country?

When they check at the airport, who exactly looks at traveler's vaccine cards? How do they check or verify them to make sure they're legitimate? Do you have to show someone in person at the airport your vaccine card or do you have to scan it and upload it online with other travel documents? Do they actually have time to examine it or do they just glance quickly to make sure it's not an obvious fake?


Here's what I know about the situation.

Currently the United States only has simple paper cards, which are easily faked. Of course I don't recommend doing that.

For entry the United States still requires the mask and a COVID test even if you're "fully vaccinated". The only difference is that they allow you to take the COVID test 3 days before traveling to the United States if you have the jab.
If you're unvaccinated, they require a test that is no more than 24 hours old. In some areas of the world it's tough to get a test that quickly or reliably.

To me this seems very easy to exploit. I'm not recommending that anyone exploit this system, but I'm very curious about how exactly they verify every single traveler's paper vaccine card.

Even if they wanted to enforce it strictly, unless they go digital (and they probably will at some point) it seems very hard to enforce, especially since medical records are private in the United States and take awhile to obtain.

If they were to actually try to check or verify every person's vaccine card at the airport, this would completely clog airports.

When you also consider that every country seems to have different ways of verifying vaccination, this is almost impossible for airports to enforce strictly unless every country adopts the same system to prove vaccination status and it becomes very difficult to forge or fake, like a passport.

I personally know that not even doctors have access to vaccination records from other hospitals. I asked a family doctor in the United States if he can access vaccine records from other hospitals. He said no, that they only have access to the records from their office. They don't even have a way to see if someone has the COVID vaccine apparently, because they ask every patient if they've been vaccinated for COVID and have to take their word for it that they are. They don't administer COVID vaccines at this specific location, but they administer other vaccines.
 
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fireshark

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Would also greatly appreciate anyone's experience with this, especially after Nov. 8th when it's supposed to be fully implemented.

I've also seen conflicting information about getting exemptions. In the mainstream normie news like Yahoo etc. I've read that exemptions will not be given for medical or religious reasons, however on the USCIS official website there is a form for exemptions, but it's not clear if it's just a pre-covid legacy form for legacy issues, or if it would still be applicable to Covid-19.

Also costs a non-refundable $930 (hidden 666) to apply for an exemption.
 

wolfinsheepsclothing

Chicken
Orthodox
Here's an important correction/update for anyone who read my last post.

I mentioned in my last post that doctors/healthcare providers don't have a shared database for vaccinations.

That doctor flat out lied to me.

That doctor is in the state of Colorado, so this doesn't apply to every state. If you visit or live in the United States, each state will likely have a different way of tracking vaccines.

Also it is highly likely there is a federal database for vaccinations. If states have it, the federal government has it.

I did a little digging and found some Colorado specific information about Vaccine Records. Doing a quick search for vaccine records in your state will likely tell you everything you want to know.

This is what I know. The vaccination database for Colorado is called Colorado Immunization Information System. Check it out for yourself:

It gets even worse. In the state of Colorado they are literally rolling out a Digital ID app for smartphones that will have your COVID vaccination status and driver's license and proof of insurance, and I'm sure other things like social credit score eventually.
Don't believe me? Take a look.


From their website:
"You can now use the myColorado™ app to easily access your digital COVID-19 vaccine record. "

And again, this is just on the state level. I guarantee they will have or already have something planned for the federal level in the United States. Yes I'm sure there will be some republican states that will push back against this kind of thing, but eventually they will all fall into lockstep. After all, most republicans are controlled opposition.



 

OhHeyCindy

Sparrow
Catholic
To anyone who has firsthand experience or personally knows someone who has experience with this, how do they check or verify vaccination status at US airports for international travelers who are entering the country?

When they check at the airport, who exactly looks at traveler's vaccine cards? How do they check or verify them to make sure they're legitimate? Do you have to show someone in person at the airport your vaccine card or do you have to scan it and upload it online with other travel documents? Do they actually have time to examine it or do they just glance quickly to make sure it's not an obvious fake?


Here's what I know about the situation.

Currently the United States only has simple paper cards, which are easily faked. Of course I don't recommend doing that.

For entry the United States still requires the mask and a COVID test even if you're "fully vaccinated". The only difference is that they allow you to take the COVID test 3 days before traveling to the United States if you have the jab.
If you're unvaccinated, they require a test that is no more than 24 hours old. In some areas of the world it's tough to get a test that quickly or reliably.

To me this seems very easy to exploit. I'm not recommending that anyone exploit this system, but I'm very curious about how exactly they verify every single traveler's paper vaccine card.

Even if they wanted to enforce it strictly, unless they go digital (and they probably will at some point) it seems very hard to enforce, especially since medical records are private in the United States and take awhile to obtain.

If they were to actually try to check or verify every person's vaccine card at the airport, this would completely clog airports.

When you also consider that every country seems to have different ways of verifying vaccination, this is almost impossible for airports to enforce strictly unless every country adopts the same system to prove vaccination status and it becomes very difficult to forge or fake, like a passport.

I personally know that not even doctors have access to vaccination records from other hospitals. I asked a family doctor in the United States if he can access vaccine records from other hospitals. He said no, that they only have access to the records from their office. They don't even have a way to see if someone has the COVID vaccine apparently, because they ask every patient if they've been vaccinated for COVID and have to take their word for it that they are. They don't administer COVID vaccines at this specific location, but they administer other vaccines.
I’ve been to the hospital multiple times this year due to my wife’s pregnancy and a minor issue with our newborn and they always ask if we have had the vaccine. I was wondering what they do with that information because I really didn’t want them to have it but I also didn’t want to lie. Pretty annoying
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
It gets even worse. In the state of Colorado they are literally rolling out a Digital ID app for smartphones that will have your COVID vaccination status and driver's license and proof of insurance, and I'm sure other things like social credit score eventually.
Don't believe me? Take a look.
That's right. I's still convinced the vax is the vehicle to introduce that digital system of ID with all aspects of the individual available to the corporations, who will be in the end doing all the vetoing. So who cares what the govt laws are when your bank can dock your access to your accounts based on your situation which might be health related or political views, whatever.
I don't know how long it'll take or if it's even going to work so seamlessly as they'd like, but that's their plan, an utopia that always turns into dystopia from hell where their master awaits.

I also believe there are batches of these injectables that contain experimental substances for possibly instert in the body technologies for connecting people to the net of control. I don't think they got that made yet, but they're working on it. Of course that's causing a lot of reactions in many people, so these sickos are analysing all that data, just like with lab rats, which to them we are.
 

san26

Pigeon
Orthodox
For the testing , it's not based on the time anymore , ie 24 48 72 hrs etc. If you are unvaccinated you will have to show a negative test 1 calendar day before your FIRST departing flight. So for example, if you depart at 9:30 pm on a Tuesday, your window to get tested starts at 12 am on Monday, as you can see that's more than 24 hrs. Also remember, they accept ANY viral test , antigen, self test etc it is NOT pcr test only

 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
For the testing , it's not based on the time anymore , ie 24 48 72 hrs etc. If you are unvaccinated you will have to show a negative test 1 calendar day before your FIRST departing flight. So for example, if you depart at 9:30 pm on a Tuesday, your window to get tested starts at 12 am on Monday, as you can see that's more than 24 hrs. Also remember, they accept ANY viral test , antigen, self test etc it is NOT pcr test only

I thought that sounded too good to be true, was lightly thinking maybe I could start planning a trip, but no, that is for US citizens and residents only. If you follow the link at the top of that page, it takes you to an index page where you can choose between US Citizens/residents or non-US citizens.The link for non-US citizens is here:


You must be fully vaccinated to travel to the United States by plane if you are a non-U.S. citizen, non-U.S. immigrant (not a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, lawful permanent resident, or traveling to the United States on an immigrant visa). Only limited exceptions apply.


Actually, this provides some hope for unvaccinated non-citizens :


For the first time since March 2020, non-citizen travelers will be permitted to enter the U.S. through a land border or ferry terminal for a non-essential reason (i.e., tourism), provided they are fully vaccinated and can present proof of COVID-19 vaccination status. Unvaccinated travelers may continue to cross the border for essential travel, including lawful trade, emergency response, and public health purposes.


Is that just a land border loophole I wonder.. Like someone wrote, contradictory stuff.

I will not get vaccinated and for now my only reason to enter is tourism. At some point mid 2022 I may have a very strong legitimate reason to enter the US for a project I am now involved in, ie "essential travel". Would add some Texas tourism to such a trip after the business part of the trip is over ;) If that were true it would motivate me for that project even more, as it would have a major perk in it.
 

san26

Pigeon
Orthodox
I thought that sounded too good to be true, was lightly thinking maybe I could start planning a trip, but no, that is for US citizens and residents only. If you follow the link at the top of that page, it takes you to an index page where you can choose between US Citizens/residents or non-US citizens.The link for non-US citizens is here:


You must be fully vaccinated to travel to the United States by plane if you are a non-U.S. citizen, non-U.S. immigrant (not a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, lawful permanent resident, or traveling to the United States on an immigrant visa). Only limited exceptions apply.

Actually, this provides some hope for unvaccinated non-citizens :


For the first time since March 2020, non-citizen travelers will be permitted to enter the U.S. through a land border or ferry terminal for a non-essential reason (i.e., tourism), provided they are fully vaccinated and can present proof of COVID-19 vaccination status. Unvaccinated travelers may continue to cross the border for essential travel, including lawful trade, emergency response, and public health purposes.

Is that just a land border loophole I wonder.. Like someone wrote, contradictory stuff.

I will not get vaccinated and for now my only reason to enter is tourism. At some point mid 2022 I may have a very strong legitimate reason to enter the US for a project I am now involved in, ie "essential travel". Would add some Texas tourism to such a trip after the business part of the trip is over ;) If that were true it would motivate me for that project even more, as it would have a major perk in it.
Yes to clarify I was talking about US Citizens / permanent residents
 

COtrailrider

Robin
Gnostic or New Age
Could the US ever bar their own citizens from returning to the country if they don’t have the jab ? There has to be laws against that right
I've been wondering the same thing. Figure there might be a quarantine or something down the line. Or better yet, certain states secede and I can get 'asylum' by flying direct to there (half kidding here). Curious what kind of precedence this has.
 

OhHeyCindy

Sparrow
Catholic
I've been wondering the same thing. Figure there might be a quarantine or something down the line. Or better yet, certain states secede and I can get 'asylum' by flying direct to there (half kidding here). Curious what kind of precedence this has.
Ya. My wife will be a green card holder soon (God willing) and I’m a US citizen. We hope to be able to visit her family in peru (currently you can show negative test to get into peru, praying that doesn’t change to vax only). We could always meet her family in Mexico or some other third country without a vax requirement to enter, but one of my worries is that we get locked out of the US lol. Keep praying lads
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Could the US ever bar their own citizens from returning to the country if they don’t have the jab ? There has to be laws against that right
Absolutely.
The US has already thrown out one of the basic and universal tenets of democratic law, namely that every citizen has the absolute right of entry to their country of citizenship period.

It is a universal law in every country I know of that every citizen must be granted entry to their own country.

In the US, it is black letter law with over 200 years of precedent backing this up. If you are American, you must be granted entry into America if you present yourself at the border. A passport is not a requirement. A passport is only a tool that expedites entry. Any American must be granted entry to the US, no questions asked.

But they are getting around this loophole with the "It's not us, goy, it's a private company infringing on your rights which is totally different".

Straight from the State Department:


Q: How can you ban U.S. citizens from returning home? Isn’t this order illegal? 




A: The CDC order does not ban U.S. citizens from entering the US. The order relates to boarding a U.S.-bound aircraft and is meant to protect and preserve human life, as well as prevent further transmission of a highly contagious and often deadly virus.


(They are saying that technically, you are not prohibited from entry to the US, since that is a clear violation of constitutional law, but EVERY US airline is preventing you from boarding a plane (on orders from the government which is somehow legal because reasons), but if you can somehow get to Canada or Mexico and make your way by land to one of those borders, then they will allow you entry to the US, even if you have covid).

This is truly one of the most egregious violations of our constitution but even more basic natural law that every country on earth recognizes.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I thought that sounded too good to be true, was lightly thinking maybe I could start planning a trip, but no, that is for US citizens and residents only. If you follow the link at the top of that page, it takes you to an index page where you can choose between US Citizens/residents or non-US citizens.The link for non-US citizens is here:


You must be fully vaccinated to travel to the United States by plane if you are a non-U.S. citizen, non-U.S. immigrant (not a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, lawful permanent resident, or traveling to the United States on an immigrant visa). Only limited exceptions apply.

Actually, this provides some hope for unvaccinated non-citizens :


For the first time since March 2020, non-citizen travelers will be permitted to enter the U.S. through a land border or ferry terminal for a non-essential reason (i.e., tourism), provided they are fully vaccinated and can present proof of COVID-19 vaccination status. Unvaccinated travelers may continue to cross the border for essential travel, including lawful trade, emergency response, and public health purposes.

Is that just a land border loophole I wonder.. Like someone wrote, contradictory stuff.

I will not get vaccinated and for now my only reason to enter is tourism. At some point mid 2022 I may have a very strong legitimate reason to enter the US for a project I am now involved in, ie "essential travel". Would add some Texas tourism to such a trip after the business part of the trip is over ;) If that were true it would motivate me for that project even more, as it would have a major perk in it.
This might have been discussed, but what about flying to Mexico City and then from there, fly to Nogales airport, and take a Greyhound bus from Nogales across the border? Would the land border guard really turn you away because you aren't vaccinated? Sounds extremely far fetched. You might have problems boarding your plane to the U.S. without a vaccine, but I can't imagine the actual border agent will request it. That said, it is quite an insane risk to fly all the way to Mexico with no assurance of getting in. Personally, I would create some kind of a business venture, get all necessary documentation, and either fly to Mexico first and go via land, or fly directly into the U.S. if my paperwork was comprehensive enough and I had gotten some assurance from the U.S. government.
 
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