Covid travel restrictions for entering the USA

[Papaya]

The human factor can always play a role but its a roll of the dice. I was able to dodge a PCR test at the Santo Domingo airport on return to US for a smile, a joke and $200 ( for two people)

I’m not convinced.

Then try it and let us know how it goes

 

[Max Roscoe]

"Natural immunity to COVID was more effective than the vaccines *alone*"

Interesting! Did anyone else catch that ??
By adding the word "ALONE" they are implying person A has natural immunity (got the virus) versus person B (someone was vaxxed AND ALSO got natural immunity (IE caught the virus anyway despite being vaccinated!)
So basically admitting the vax does nothing.

If the vax worked they would say "vaccinated versus natural immunity" as they would actually have people who were vaxxed but not sick in the study but apparently there were no such people!

 

[Nomadiccat]

MSM regularly complains that tons of fake vax cards are used to enter the US or try to

 

[Stadtaffe]

What I read now and then "there's no money in healthy people" does sound like part of the motivation. If the vaccines induce one problem they can then also sell something else to fix it.

If you optimise for profit of private enterprise, including pharma, there is probably a level of health in the population which will maximise profit. That level of health is somewhere between "bedridden and half dying" and "supremely fit and healthy". So some people are too healthy to keep shareholders happy and their health needs to be slightly ruined in the name of capitalism. Also, some people are too close to dying and you don't want to lose a paying customer. Being very healthy and turning away from prescription medecines is simply a threat to these companies. So if you are too healthy, they want to make you sick, and if you are almost dying, they want to try to make you live a bit longer, although "linger on" is probably more correct than "live" for that segment.

Think about factory farming - animals in small enclosures, injections, food specially engineered and optimised.

Does anyone believe even slightly what I often hear - to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed by cases? Even if that were true I believe they should have geared up with more capacity instead of attacking the healthy. Hence the whole thing remains a lie and a conspiracy.

 

[Stadtaffe]

My travel is drawing nearer and I have basically given up on the USA as a destination unfortunately but will likely go somewhere in central America instead.

Some of the flight options involve a 'layover' in an American city. Does anyone know if the unvaccinated are even allowed to transit through the USA?

It's not the last option and I can avoid the USA entirely but it would help with the planning to know this.

 

[Papaya]

My travel is drawing nearer and I have basically given up on the USA as a destination unfortunately but will likely go somewhere in central America instead.

Some of the flight options involve a 'layover' in an American city. Does anyone know if the unvaccinated are even allowed to transit through the USA?

It's not the last option and I can avoid the USA entirely but it would help with the planning to know this.

Call the airline as they are the enforcement arm of air travel

Edit. FWIW a Mexican national I know crossed on foot at the Otay Mesa (Tijuana) entry a week ago. He told me they asked him if he was vaxxed (he is) He answered "yes" but they waived him through without asking for proof. Go figure

 

[Stadtaffe]

It's not looking good:

Transit through US during covid-19 - Air Travel Forum - Tripadvisor

Answer 1 of 32: I’m desperately trying to get to Turks and Caicos as I’m due to commence work with their police force. I am however travelling from the UK. I see there are flights going through Miami and Atlanta but wonder if I’ll actually be able to transit...

www.tripadvisor.com

Under the current rules you will not be allowed to board any flight from the UK to the USA even if you are just in transit - you go through the same process to transit as you would in entering the USA.

It seems that a US airport does not have an international area where you can move between flights without actually entering the country like other countries do, various sources suggest the concept of international transit does not exist there.

My travel is now booked and does not involve the USA at all Thankfully certain European countries which ban unvaccinated entry do allow transit. Nevertheless I am a seasoned pandemic traveller and am fully ready for the wait in line for an hour to be told I'm missing that one crucial piece of paper, go away. Will try to jump through all the hoops but you never know if the rules might just change while you are standing in the queue or you've missed that one extra web page of requirements which was not linked. Basically need to budget for the extra expense of tickets in the bin and unplanned multiple nights in hotels waiting for test results or who knows what other BS. If I were to do personal bookkeeping I'd call the category "clown world expenses", but where there's a will there's a way. Will stay optimistic and am usually pleasantly surprised, there's more bark than bite to this a lot of the time.

So if any other travel is needed in the region will assume that the US will is to be given a wide berth.

Edit. FWIW a Mexican national I know crossed on foot at the Otay Mesa (Tijuana) entry a week ago. He told me they asked him if he was vaxxed (he is) He answered "yes" but they waived him through without asking for proof. Go figure

That is cool and sort of what I imagined. I'm not planning such a thing, not really that desperate to cross in like that just to see the sites, enjoy the weather and go touring around. That guy was probably not coming in as a tourist. Good to hear all the anecdotes though..

 

[Stadtaffe]

USA is the last country of north America to be still locking out the unvaccinated :

The U.S. Is The Last North American Country Of The Free World To Ban Unvaccinated Tourists

Now that Canada has dropped all entry rules, the United States stands alone as the last country in North America to ban the unvaccinated.

www.traveloffpath.com

..not that there are that many countries in north America but worth noting. How long will they hold out.. My take on it is that the USA finds it offensive that some of us have chosen not to help various American vaccine companies profit, not that the USA has a greater death rate or risk rate than anywhere else.

 

[Max Roscoe]

Lol clickbait headline, of the two N.A. countries who locked down their borders, Canada and US, US is now the only one still with restrictions.

Or, put another way, "Canada the only country in N.A. removing entry rules in dangerous new policy."

I imagine US will drop their remaining rules soon, since they got rid of the silly "you must take a medical test before entering the country" scheme already. Maybe after this flu season ends (assuming people don't get bored of Ukraine and they need to ramp up a new covid strain).

 

[budoslavic]

I imagine US will drop their remaining rules soon, since they got rid of the silly "you must take a medical test before entering the country" scheme already. Maybe after this flu season ends (assuming people don't get bored of Ukraine and they need to ramp up a new covid strain).

Keep an eye on the U.S. midterm election next month. When the Republicans regain majority in the House of Representatives as well as Senate (possibility), there is a good chance that they will likely push for end of international travel's COVID vaccine mandate and restrictions.

 

[Stadtaffe]

I'm sick of checking this every few days and getting disappointed each time.

The vaccine requirement for the USA has been extended to 8 January 2023 :

America WILL still demand Covid shot to enter the country in 2023

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has extended the rule in the US until at least January 8 next year to 'limit the risk of Covid-19, including variants of the virus'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There are various other discussions speculating about this, people suffering due to the closure. Some useful anecdotes in this:

Seems someone unvaccinated drove in from Canada and nobody cared. That is good news if you are living in Canada and feel like having a go but I'm probably waiting till regular entry re-opens.

Maybe they'll just surprise everyone on 9 January "Welcome everybody!" but you never know.

 

[OhHeyCindy]

The silliest part is that nobody cares about covid in the States anymore (all states have removed the rules) yet the rule to enter the country remains.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[Stadtaffe]

Keep an eye on the U.S. midterm election next month. When the Republicans regain majority in the House of Representatives as well as Senate (possibility), there is a good chance that they will likely push for end of international travel's COVID vaccine mandate and restrictions.

The vaccine requirement for the USA has been extended to 8 January 2023 :

I don't know exactly what happened in the midterms but am guessing if it was a huge Republican win I'd know about it. Just not that close to American politics, I only pay attention to a few politicians but don't really follow the processes.

Could you guess what might happen on 8th January 2023? Nobody has a crystal ball of course..

I'm somehow guessing from what I heard about the midterms that there will be no relaxing of this in the America for a long time, and planning accordingly, but will check of course after that if there are any surprises.

Did they really do this to keep people apart from each other over Christmas again..

 

[budoslavic]

 

[canuckj]

I follow a travel group for unvaxed Canadians on Telegram. Official US policy is that you must be vaxed (for COVID 19) to enter the US. There used to be a proof of antibodies (from previous infection) exemption.

Having read people's travel experiences for some time this is what I have found.

- Most Canadians are not asked about vax status at land borders.
- Some Canadians are asked and choose to lie. Border agents usually do not specifically ask if you have been vaxed against COVID. The question is often, "Have you been vaccinated". Some have been asked to show proof.
- If you lie you can be banned for 10 years. If you tell the truth and are denied entry you may be flagged in their system.
- It really is hit and miss.

Unvaxed Canadians (such as myself) will now choose Mexico as a travel destination rather than Florida. The US also loses out on cross-border shopping dollars. Especially as rural dwellers (often living in small towns along the border) are less likely to be vaxed.

 

[Stadtaffe]

@budoslavic thanks for posting that you would not believe it had a specific impact on my life - it caught me the day I was packing for a trip, departing in the evening, and I was about to pack some extra stuff in case the USA opened up on the 8th January. With that information you posted I saved on weight and bulk of baggage, so thanks.

In a way, this simplifies my life. I will now forget all about the USA and whether it will open up on whatever date as they are obviously just tooling everyone. Will find a way to do what I wanted to do over there in Europe, so also not a bad thing.

It's not worth in my case to go hiking from Mexico or Canada or doing some other strange scheme to try to get around it.

Coincidentally I started reading Brave New World for the first time yesterday as well. There were a few introductions at the start of the book and it turned out he was inspired by a trip to California in the early 1930s or 1920s, and a fear that Europe would become like that.

The amount of complaining on this forum about the USA does temper my excitement a bit but I still want to go there properly, have only ever been for a few weeks and was not a self-guided trip.

 

[budoslavic]

@Stadtaffe, glad to help out, brother. Just don't give up on your travel plan to the U.S. yet. Keep it on the back burner for a while.

 

[Brebelle3]

Brother, this is ridiculous.

My wife is foreign and we finally got approved by immigration for her to come to the US. She just has to do a couple more things and do the interview at the embassy, but we're still a couple of months away.

We have a 1 year old boy and my wife is due, God willing, to deliver our daughter in April.

Of course she's not jabbed and never will be, but I'm reaching a critical deadline with this insane extension by the government. I'm considering moving full-time time out of the country and raising my family in a foreign land.

Almost 2 years I've been fighting to get my family here and I can't get my wife in.

Maybe I'll fly her to Mexico and walk her across. I'm over this crap.

 

[GuitarVH]

Brother, this is ridiculous.

My wife is foreign and we finally got approved by immigration for her to come to the US. She just has to do a couple more things and do the interview at the embassy, but we're still a couple of months away.

We have a 1 year old boy and my wife is due, God willing, to deliver our daughter in April.

Of course she's not jabbed and never will be, but I'm reaching a critical deadline with this insane extension by the government. I'm considering moving full-time time out of the country and raising my family in a foreign land.

Almost 2 years I've been fighting to get my family here and I can't get my wife in.

Maybe I'll fly her to Mexico and walk her across. I'm over this crap.

It's absolutely insane the hoops you have to jump through to do this legally and above-board while, as you alluded to, illegals pour over the border and are helped by our traitorous and corrupt government. It's literally unbelievable.

I feel for you man!