I admit, I posted that late at night when I was tired and not thinking too clearly, so I might have come across a bit more heavy-handed than I meant to. But I think one of the main takeaways should be that when we have questions like these you asked above, our first instinct should be to look to the Bible and look at how God expresses that love and forgiveness by example, because God does things for us by example so that we can understand how things are to be properly applied. I think one of the points I was hammering on in my post was to look to God as proof that love and pacifism are not two sides of the same coin. But at the same time, God also demonstrates great patience, mercy, and restraint.But how do you reconcile that with God's desire for us to "love" and forgive? If modern man's ideas about love are like a Disney movie, then how do we figure out how it should be?
We are to love and forgive our brothers not seven times, but seventy-seven times. But to forgive, there must also be repentance. If there is no repentance, then forgiveness is meaningless. Even Jesus Himself said in Matthew 18:15-17 that there should be a church "four strikes" protocol in which an unrepentant brother is first gently addressed, then approached with one or a few mediator(s), then brought before the church general assembly, and finally cast out into the realm of Satan until he repents.
So we see that while love has a long-suffering, abiding forbearance aspect to it, there also comes a time when discipline must be applied to that love. It isn't just forgiving a person instantly the moment they sin, because that is encouraging and enabling sin. It is being open to accepting one's repentance at any time, and obviously the sincerity of the repentance will have to be judged on a case-by-case basis because we are not God and therefore cannot see into a man's heart, but the point remains that repentance is essential to forgiveness.
But love is also something that must consider a balance of some sort: the love you have for your fellow brothers in Christ must be balanced carefully with the love that you have toward unbelievers. Unbelievers certainly require our attention as the Lord and His choruses of angels sing with joy when a lost sheep is found, but what many Christians also struggle with in these modern days is balancing that with the needs of their own brothers and sisters, as Jesus told us that we are a greater type of family than our blood families, and Paul writes in 1 Timothy 5:8 that anyone who doesn't provide for their family, especially those of his household, denies the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
I've mentioned before my disgust with Western Churchanity and how it is the one club in the world that hates you for joining it because its benefits are only used for those outside the church, and often as a weapon against those in the church.
But anyway, that love for one's family also means protecting them, and that means a willingness to stand up and fight for them. The Church should be forming networks of defense, both in the physical and spiritual senses. When I say the Church should be violent, I don't mean that we should be like barbarians that raid and pillage (sorry feds, no excitement for you today). I mean that we should exercise restraint, but also ensure that we are willing to do what must be done in defense, and give our enemies a reason to prefer when we exercise that restraint.
Of course, sometimes that protection can come without fighting at all, and when that can be done, that is probably to be preferred. But in other circumstances, sometimes one's hands also become forced. The Church should not be ashamed of being prepared.
These are somewhat sticky questions because on the one hand, we should certainly continue to love the world and be humble, but on the other hand, I can't really fault you because it's perfectly normal to look at clown world and turn away in disgust and wonder if this is what God asked us to love and minister. As for whether to stand by and wait for everything to fall apart or to take a stand, that too is uncertain but that doesn't mean we should be left unprepared. We should form networks within the Church and along the various denominational boundaries, and the answer to these questions will emerge more organically.As I wrote to another poster, I struggle with feelings of disgust and anger when I look around our fallen world and I just have such a hard time feeling love or forgiveness or even humility. In fact it's the opposite. Am I wrong to feel this? Maybe it's just pride? I don't know. Are we just supposed to be patient and wait it out as everything falls apart? Should we fight back? And if so, how? I'm just not sure what to do or what church will best guide me.