Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative and policy

Mountaineer

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Simeon_Strangelight said:
If you watch Bill Gates in recent interviews where he is blabbering on about the necessity to shut down the world for 18 months and possibly change it forever, where he is repeating vaccines in every sentence - you see him giddy with happiness. It's his time to shine and celebrate as finally he gets to vaccinate the world perpetually and usher in the Eugenic tyranny that his father dreamt about.
Honestly Simon, do you think a man so delusional and so detached from reality can win with the whole world? NO, NO and FUCK NO! We are grossly overestimating their power just like they overestimated their virus. They went on a limb and it will bite their asses off.
 

aeroektar

Pelican
Blade Runner said:
The other thread is more of a "What would you do?" in terms of the loosening of restrictions ...

What do you guys think the powers that be will do? I'll take first stab:

1. The Trump task force suggests, by the end of this week, a definitive recommendation coming very soon to open up no later than that original April 30 date.
2. Media erupts and discusses, and many (Democrat) governors weigh in saying they will keep things locked down further than that, just because.
3. Some pay a price now, later, or both due to the continued insolence and generally understood mismanagement of the entire covid-19 "crisis."
Yes I agree this is how it could go down.

1. Trump gives the go ahead for most of the country to open up on the scheduled date. A lot of governors and states are already asking for this and raring to go.

2. Blue states and leftist media claim literally Hitler. They drag that out for as long as they can, further damaging their reputation and local economies.

Wildcards.

Shady fucks try to stuff money into the pockets of some red state governors to not go along with Trump, and instead push lockdowns into June.

In step 2, blue states never fully open back up, and push for socialist reform, potentially driving the country to a breakup or civil war. I'm already thinking about a situation where you'll have blue state refugees trying to flee to red states for work and a normal life. If blue states put military at the border to keep people in, you could even see something like an underground railroad.

You can already see the literally Hitler narrative coming, during WH press conferences leftist reporters say stuff like "but health officials say the country won't be ready until blah blah blah" or "will you listen to governors if they say they aren't ready to open up". People like Tucker have pointed out that it's almost taboo among leftists to talk about opening back up. As Snowden said, they've set the stage for "culture of safety at all costs".

I don't see the entire country conforming one way or another, there will be struggle through at least June.
 

Even in bloody NYC they had to pull down the giant field hospital in central park.

Also note how it just peters out in Sweden:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

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By the way - these are the deaths that happen in Sweden normally in 4 days - even if you assume that 1000 more will die, that is the normal death toll of 8 days of Sweden. This could be you the entire West! But no - you thought that shutting down everything and copying the treatment from Wuhan was the best way to go!

So let us compare:

+ Sweden did not close anything, kept schools running and only a few globohomo-owned outlets closed while the virus spread around like crazy. They also ignored the insane Wuhan-treatment protocol treating that as gospel - continued to treat patients the way they used to before.

But hey - you get paid to report people who illegally shake hands or embrace someone:


I am sure that this cannot go wrong at all given how malicious some people are and want to hurt their neighbors occasionally. You just support and foster that negative spirit eh?

And no - I see them winning, see Gates winning, see still folk supporting the hysteria, not even trying to explain Sweden away - just ignoring it marching forward in Gates-ordered-lockstep.
 

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< Turns out that no dying while standing was even necessary. It was more like getting a scratch on your leg while everyone else decided it was a good idea to go on their knees, bankrupt their nations and surrender their freedoms living in medical concentration camps.

Sweden, Iceland and Belarus meanwhile were just putting a bandaid on the 5 days' worth of deaths and went on as before......

I would like to hear all those mental masturbation in the media and from the coronoia sufferers.
 
I think Italy and Spain gave them a pass to spread paranoia at will. Today we have 7 new "infected" in Bulgaria. Ridiculous. We need a loicense to go to the farmers' markets, but at least some shops are open (when you are wearing a mask). Luckily most people will unite when the cases completely stop growing. The US is as divided as ever and it might postpone this farce indefinitely. I think in the future you might need a wall between blue and red states, knowing what has been happening in California even before the Covid.
 
Oh my goodness - this gets better and better:

https://khn.org/news/furor-erupts-b...tals-based-on-medicare-billings-not-covid-19/

States such as Minnesota, Nebraska and Montana, which the pandemic has touched relatively lightly, are getting more than $300,000 per reported COVID-19 case in the $30 billion, according to a Kaiser Health News analysis.

On the other hand, New York, the worst-hit state, would receive only $12,000 per case. Florida is getting $132,000 per case. KHN relied on an analysis by staff on the House Ways and Means Committee along with COVID-19 cases tabulated by The New York Times.
Why would they actually pay such amounts to hospitals and why so much in areas not affected? I tell you why - because they want the panic to spread. So some enterprising cash-strapped director is going to get very busy in cancer-wards and test lots of 90+ year olds on their death-beds.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...loughing-workers-in-response-to-covid-19.html

And here another article as countless hospitals are letting their staff go without pay because their turnovers are down by a lot - everything is postponed.

And the covid crap can never make up for the differences unless they clean out senior care facilities, infect them all and go through the bodies with the Wuhan protocol.
 

Captainstabbin

Hummingbird
The local news had a few private doctors being interviewed about the dramatic loss of business. One guy said he's gone from 25 patients a day to 3.

At some point, I would expect the doctors to start speaking out against the narrative just to save their practice.
 
Captainstabbin said:
The local news had a few private doctors being interviewed about the dramatic loss of business. One guy said he's gone from 25 patients a day to 3.

At some point, I would expect the doctors to start speaking out against the narrative just to save their practice.
They won't because they are taught to believe what the CDC tells them to believe.

Most MDs will have no work because the high wave only concerns some hospitals even if are filled. Also hospitalizations are not overly high because it's mostly about the current deaths, hospital patients being reclassified and then finished off by the treatment. The few who actually die of the virus are few and far in between. That is why the daily deaths basically can reach only a number a bit higher than the normal death rate - but strangely hospitalizations and ICU patients get little uptick.

However that was the case for Europe - in the US hospitals get paid for hospitalizations so they have huge incentives to keep every granny with a cold in the hospital.
 
Simeon_Strangelight said:
They won't because they are taught to believe what the CDC tells them to believe.
Yeah, I mean I agree, I've never been too impressed with doctors as a whole.
But when you get to the point where you're firing your secretary to make rent and your buddies in the downtown ER are saying "We've got no patients at all to treat here," something's gonna crack. It has to.
 
< I don't want to be too hard on most MDs. Most don't have the time or energy or the will to go and question their orders from above. A few who are curious and a bit more non-conformist do change things locally and that is where you suddenly get reports of doctors treating patients with vitamin C IVC. But note that this did not catch on in NYC - one MD convinced his director while everyone else is continuing with the Wuhan protocol, not even doing what they did 8 weeks ago with similar patients.

I get it that MDs are a in a strange union with the system and are often forced to treat patients a certain way even if they themselves would decide otherwise.

What happens to MDs who are a bit too loud can be seen even in Switzerland where a local MD who spoke out against covid was picked up by a SWAT team and committed to a psychiatric institution - he even left a last tweet:


In front of my practice there is a task force from KAPO Argau, I will be picked up, HELP !!!!
https://alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.com/2020/04/schweiz-arzt-von-polizei-abgeholt-und.html

As for a felon or terrorist, police officers with protective vests and submachine guns turned up in full gear. The police temporarily blocked off the adjacent street and the nearby train station.

Because it was alleged that Dr. Thomas Binder was suspected of being mentally unstable and armed, the police took special security precautions around the building.

Dr. Binder was admitted to a psychiatric clinic. The investigation into the exact circumstances of the threats has started. The public prosecutor's office in Baden has opened a criminal investigation.

Yes, this happens today to doctors who do not submit to the official state line on coronavirus and have a different opinion. They are declared crazy and locked away as a danger to society.
That is why they just passed laws in multiple countries - UK, Denmark etc which allow one doctor to declare someone insane. Obviously another doctor who questions the official covid narrative must be insane.

They claim that the MD threatened everyone with gun-violence, but somehow his daughter is not aware of anything. It's probably more a hectic overreach of the police than anything systematic, but wait a while until this medical dictatorship can get a better foundation and you will see people disappear kicking and screaming. Later you hear them being crazy or having covid21.
 
I thought China was manipulating the numbers to hide the fact that millions were dead.

Did they get bored with that and stop, or were they never manipulating the numbers to begin with?
 
SamuelBRoberts said:
I thought China was manipulating the numbers to hide the fact that millions were dead.

Did they get bored with that and stop, or were they never manipulating the numbers to begin with?
I think both is possible. Though the undercounted numbers are nowhere near the insane allegations of hundreds of thousands or millions of dead.

The problem with "flattening the curve" is that you prevent broad transmission - luckily the lockdown came in Wuhan at the very top after they managed to kill a few thousand with their insane protocol. A good portion of the country is probably immune already and China has achieved it's goal - only the West will be shutting down and bankrupting itself. They likely follow the Swedish protocol for the rest of the country.

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As for the payouts - it gets worse:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/202...poses-medicare-payouts-for-covid-19-patients/

My conversation with Minnesota State Senator, Dr. Scott Jensen, took place after I read the explosive statement he made to FOX News, on April 9th. So let’s start with his earlier FOX statement [1]:

Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [don’t] [have] impact on what we do…
That's Medicare payments - seems like some HMOs pay out more.

Still - 39000$ for ventilators - that is an incentive and the side-effects of those are insane - if they paid so much for amputations, then you would have lots of sawed-off limbs tomorrow.

Pneumonia payments:

Jensen told me: Take a Medicare patient who is diagnosed with simple non-COVID pneumonia. The hospital would receive a one-time Medicare lump-sum payout of $4600.
So obviously the hospital has everything to gain from testing like a drunken monkey and re-assigning all kinds of deaths to the covid column, also using ventilators like they are as harmless as tictacs.

So remember - Medicare incentives:

+ normal flu - likely around 2000$
+ normal pneumonia - 4600$
+ covid cold - 12000$
+ covid ventilator (normal flu patients may qualify) - 39000$
 

McKinnsley

Sparrow
https://www.theguardian.com/society...r-crisis-15m-people-go-whole-day-without-food


UK hunger crisis: 1.5m people go whole day without food

Just three weeks into the lockdown, the Food Foundation said that 1.5 million Britons reported not eating for a whole day because they had no money or access to food. Some 3 million people in total were in households where someone had been forced to skip some meals. More than 1 million people reported losing all their income because of the pandemic, with over a third of them believing they would not be entitled to any government help.
I wouldn't normally link to a liberal source of toilet paper like the guardian - but this one caught my eye - pokes a great big whole in the concern trolling we see online - how dare we care about the economy more than saving lives. The economic cost is something that real people suffer - and magnitudes more are effected by this than the phoney wuflu.
 
With incentives like that I can guarantee that this will be blowing up to millions in the US with tens of thousand of dead as all possible deaths will be reclassified and everyone possible will be strapped to a ventilator - regardless whether it kills them.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
Okay this is interesting and I think it answers many questions we've all had for weeks:

Iceland has tested one-tenth of its population for coronavirus at random and found that half of people have the disease without realising.

They also discovered that 1,600 people have been infected with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak. Of these cases, there were only seven deaths, indicating a fatality rate of just 0.4%
0.4% is in line with the 0.37% figure we got out of that German study that was linked up a few pages back.
But we also have the Danish antibody study that came up with a CFR of 0.05%.

Comparing these figures with the CFR of the common flu of 0.1%, that gives us a ballpark:
At WORST, corona is a bad flu, 4x worse than regular flu, but still just a bad flu.
At best it's a mild flu, half as bad as the regular flu.

Any country that has higher death rates than 0.4% isn't counting the numbers right and/or applying shitty treatment protocols.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...opulation-asymptomatic-infected-Covid-19.html
 
Enhanced Eddie said:
Okay this is interesting and I think it answers many questions we've all had for weeks:

Iceland has tested one-tenth of its population for coronavirus at random and found that half of people have the disease without realising.

They also discovered that 1,600 people have been infected with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak. Of these cases, there were only seven deaths, indicating a fatality rate of just 0.4%
0.4% is in line with the 0.37% figure we got out of that German study that was linked up a few pages back.
But we also have the Danish antibody study that came up with a CFR of 0.05%.

Right now at WORST, corona is a very bad flu, 4x worse than regular flu, but still just a bad flu.
At best it's a mild flu, half as bad as the regular flu.

Any country that has higher death rates than 0.4% isn't counting the numbers right and/or applying shitty treatment protocols.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...opulation-asymptomatic-infected-Covid-19.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland/

Iceland is a country with a daily death rate of 9 people per day.

They had 8 deaths, possibly may have 10 more - so 2 days' worht of normal deaths.

They obviously used not the Wuhan protocol and had no incentives to reassign deaths or got paid for strapping people to ventilators.

AND THE BEST PART IS THAT ICELAND DID NOT CLOSE ANYTHING - EXCEPT FOR THE BORDERS!

So they are immune together with Sweden while everyone else can have the medical tyranny and a bankrupt society.
 
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