Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative and policy

Easy_C

Crow
Truth be told as much as being on lockdown would probably be the best solution until at least we know what’s happening. It’s not possible. Even though. The penalties should never be at this level we’re seeing. It’s more a civic issue than a criminal or whatever. People should be advised to act in a certain way. Punishing people from opening businesses is madness. It’s up to people to decide if they are willing to take the risk or not. Government is not your daddy.
These discussions ignore most of the nuance and try to hone in on a "one size fits all" solution which is idiotic because the risk is most definitely not equal across groups.

As Knutt Witkowski said, the correct response would be to isolate people who are above 70 or have significant comorbidity risk, then let everyone else go about their business. SImply locking them down with food delivery and paying them full wages would have cost much less than what we did.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
Nobody needs to be locked down. There is no excess mortality so long as you don't put people on ventilators.


People are dying of covid at the same age they would die anyway. This is literally nothing and at this point nobody should be saying we need to lock anything down anymore. The lockdown is the Elite's plan to destroy us.

CountryMedian ageSource
Austria80+ yearsEMS
England80+ yearsNHS
France84 yearsSPF
Germany82 yearsRKI
Italy81 yearsISS
Spain~82 yearsMDS
Sweden86 yearsFOHM
Switzerland84 yearsBAG
USA~80 yearsCDC
 

therajraj

Sparrow
People are dying of covid at the same age they would die anyway.

CountryMedian ageSource
Austria80+ yearsEMS
England80+ yearsNHS
France84 yearsSPF
Germany82 yearsRKI
Italy81 yearsISS
Spain~82 yearsMDS
Sweden86 yearsFOHM
Switzerland84 yearsBAG
USA~80 yearsCDC
You're basically saying people who are older than the average age of death have a negative life expectancy.
 
Because they don’t want to.

A family member who worked in a Covid hospital is leaving. Not because there’s no work but because don’t want to be there anymore.
Another family member who worked in another hospital has been furloughed because there were rampant cases of covid infections. And they closed the entire hospital. If there’s infections because of Covid in a normal wing of an hospital the hospital is liable. Same for workers. Hospitals don’t have patients beside Covid because no one is going there unless it’s urgent. Im not going.

Eveeybody got an agenda. People who oppose lockdowns and those who are in favor of it. Those two doctors on YouTube were financially hurting because their clinic is empty. That’s why they posted the video. Cause the Porsche and mortgage payment are due and no funds to cover them. But even they admitted this was more infectious than just the flu.
Doctors and pharma and everything involved with health are corrupt to the core. Banks are bad? Health agents are 10 times worse.
The WHO should be exclusively public funded. And it’s director mandatory western. This kumbalaya shit of having an Ethiopian assisted by a chinese??? This would be unthinkable 20 years ago. If not west needs to create their own WHO. Let the chinks and ethiopians create their own organizations. This mix between private and public funding need to be stopped.

So much contradictory data coming from all sides. Even the origin of the virus. Was it a bat soup? A lab product? A aids vaccine? A bioweapon? An accident? A clima solar issue? Why did it spread more in some areas? Is it being spread voluntarily by superspreadets? Or due to some populations having more receptors? What’s the infection rate? And mortality rate? I can post 100 links with 100 different answers to all those questions.

Truth be told as much as being on lockdown would probably be the best solution until at least we know what’s happening. It’s not possible. Even though. The penalties should never be at this level we’re seeing. It’s more a civic issue than a criminal or whatever. People should be advised to act in a certain way. Punishing people from opening businesses is madness. It’s up to people to decide if they are willing to take the risk or not. Government is not your daddy.
strategical and researched solutions should be implemented. Not this atomic bomb. This panic inducing nonsense.

Economy would break if this blind lockdown continued creating epic damage. Government coffers will soon dry. Because governments are parasites leaching off hosts. If the host dies so those the parasites. Government will not have money and push printing money. But can you do that? Printing money indefinitely? A 5 year old would know it’s not possible. But these people are worse than 5 year olds.
There isn't anything really to be done about COVID19 since essentially it's a disease of the unhealthy and elderly (commonly, but not always, the same thing). So it doesn't even matter to move Doctor X here, Dr. Y there. What is to be done would be recognition that herd immunity is the endpoint and HCQ plus Azithro plus Zn is both prophylactic and effective.

"Doctors and Pharma" are only bad when CDC or lobbying is implicated. The "system" (throw a dash of hospital systems in there) is affected by these, though, no doubt. The California urgent care doctors don't have an agenda. They told the truth. Their livelihood taking a hit just made them more bold, they felt they had less to lose. A virus that is more infectious doesn't mean anything except more people come in contact with it. Think common cold. No big deal. Why? It doesn't have a high lethality. Neither does sars-cov2, even though it has a higher lethality.

The data has been consistently showing us the same thing (Ioannidis and Levitt both said this early, and they are right). It spreads easily when people are trapped indoors or in high contact in colder weather (NYC) with population density. Healthy people don't die from it. We have a lot of old and unhealthy people. There will not be more people that die this year than any other year COVID19 isn't around. All cause mortality doesn't lie. That will demonstrate the bias, but we have to wait about a year or so to see the data in aggregate. And by that time, the narrative will have already run its course. Data will have meant that much less, not that it has meant anything so far.
 

therajraj

Sparrow
No I'm saying there can't be a deadly pandemic of a killer virus because people are dying at the age that is the normal life expectancy anyway. Nothing has changed. This has been demonstrated dozens of times on this thread. New members should read the archives before arguing with this.
Just because someone has reached the average age of life expectancy, it does not mean they are necessarily at the end of their life. That's why it's silly to look at the median age of death from COVID and say "People are dying of covid at the same age they would die anyway. "

BTW my join date is 2013.
 
Just because someone has reached the average age of life expectancy, it does not mean they are necessarily at the end of their life. That's why it's silly to look at the median age of death from COVID and say "People are dying of covid at the same age they would die anyway. "

BTW my join date is 2013.
Yours is a technical or theoretical point. The problem is that you have painted yourself into a progressive corner here, which means that expectancy might be increasing among us, so they are earlier than our trajectory (life expectancies will continue to rise). The problem is that expectancy is decelerating. I'll give you that it is still very marginally increasing, but ask you to please keep an eye out on all cause mortality when all this is said and done. That literally weeds out every bias. If after this year, when we look back in two years, let's say, and we see that there is not a statistically significantly number of increased deaths throughout the world, we will have known for sure that not only was this not a big deal, it was literally business as usual in life. Given the backdrop of "shut the whole world down!", that reveals without a doubt the real dilemma of humanity and its problems, which truly are what many know already on this forum - central governments and globalists.
 
The paranoia is real I think that's all something we can agree on now the question of whether the paranoia is justified is up for interpretation not because you can't objectively find the truth but because you can play verbal or philosophical mental gymnastics to justify it no matter where you stand. Thats why the coronavirus narrative is fake, its incredibly hegelian dialectic. Support the lockdown - you hate the country and don't care about the working class BUT you care about lives. Don't support the lockdown - you love the country BUT you don't care about lives or your a conspiracy theorist or selfish teenager etc. See what there doing there..if it wasn't evil it would be brilliant because there is no way for you to take a side and be seen as morally or ethically clear by the other side thus we the world argues instead of realizing were all being pitted against each other and are getting angry at the other side for doing basically the same thing we're doing but just in a different direction.
 

renotime

Ostrich
Gold Member
I wonder if civil war will break out in certain states. Or possibly we will see gov't buildings occupied like what happened in Oregon. Things are opening up again in my neck of the woods, but who knows how long this nonsense will go on in the blue states like California. But most of them are libtard cucks, so they'll probably just take it.
 

Wreckingball

Pelican
Following on the Bill Gates topic,
I just reminded myself that other than all this push for vaccines, Bill Gates still is a pretty big shareholder in Microsoft (as well the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation).
Guess who is making a shit ton of money by phasing out skype for business and phasing in Microsoft Teams?
Who is making a shit ton of money when governments are "tele-learning" using Microsoft Teams?

Yup, Microsoft, the Gates foundation and Bill Gates.
 

Hypno

Hummingbird
6 Things Democrats and the Media Want You to Believe About the Coronavirus
And why every one of them is absurd.

Thu May 21, 2020
Don Feder

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." -- The Red Queen in “Alice in Wonderland.”

In the spirit of Her Majesty, here are six impossible things about the coronavirus Democrats and the media want you to believe, as well as an explanation of why each is absurd.

1. China bears no responsibility for this pandemic – All the Chi-coms did was to deny the possibility of human-to-human transmission for as long as they could, destroy or remove tissue samples from the Wuhan lab, allow travel outside China (while banning it within the country), force physicians and researchers who tried to alert us to the danger early on to recant (they made one disappear) and stockpile medical supplies while refusing to admit there was a problem. Other than that, not much.

2. COVID-19 doesn’t discriminate: Old and young, sick and well – all are equally susceptible – You might as well say that an octogenarian is as likely to injure himself skateboarding as a 16-year-old. In Pennsylvania, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 84 years. Overall, the probability of death from the virus in the United States is 1.5 in 10,000. But for those under 55 who are healthy, it’s 1.5 in 100,000. In 14 states that report these statistics, nursing homes accounted for half of all coronavirus deaths. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule – which the media love to play up. But, overwhelmingly, the victims are elderly, with a pre-existing condition.

3. This epidemic is like a war. Some civil liberties have to be temporarily suspended as a matter of national survival. – In the name of combating the coronavirus, Americans have been denied freedom to work, freedom of movement, freedom of religion (with houses of worship closed) and freedom of speech. Protests are permitted, as long as there aren’t more than 10 people and everyone is wearing face masks and standing at least 6 feet apart. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy said he wasn’t thinking about the Bill of Rights when implementing social-distancing guidelines. No kidding.

4. Social distancing and face masks work – New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was “shocked” to discover recently that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations were among people “largely sheltering at home.” Proximity of one person to another has little to do with the spread of the disease, nor do the sacred face masks stop transmission. Both are largely symbolic as well as a form of virtue-flashing. When the virus first reached our shores, the experts told us that face masks were useless, unless you’re a medical professional using the type of masks not available to the general public. Now we’re told we must wear them – even if they’re makeshift. There’s no science behind this. They’re meant to assure us that politicians are doing all they can to keep us safe. Then, when fatalities decline, which happens in the normal course of any epidemic, they’ll demand that we thank them for saving us.

5. Damage to the economy is the price we have to pay to stop a deadly contagion. That’s easy to say if you work for government – which is now our only growth industry. While the coronavirus regimen that statists adore has done little, if anything, to halt the spread of the disease, it’s put our economy in the ICU. We lost 870,000 jobs in March and 20.5 million in April. The Wall Street Journal notes that this is the fastest economic collapse in our history – all so governors would have another opportunity to play big brother and bring us closer to the Democratic utopia. No one asked unemployed auto workers or the depressed who are out of work and can’t afford the co-pay on their meds if they were willing to pay the price.

6. The shutdown doesn’t favor one party or the other– In fact, it’s a gift from heaven for Democrats. They’re using the shutdown to destroy the Trump economy and push a bailout of bankrupt blue states. They’re also using the virus to get mail-in ballots, increasing the opportunities for voter fraud, the sine qua non of the Democratic party. The governors fighting hardest to maintain the status quo -- Cuomo, Wolf, Pritzker, Northam and Newson, among others – are Democrats, as are their congressional allies, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Schumer. Why – because they’re dedicated public health or partisan politics?

It’s just possible that supporters of the shutdown want to make America look more like China. Welcome to the new normal.
 

Wreckingball

Pelican
In portuguese news there is an article quoting a CDC study (John Whyte) finds that contamination of coronavirus through objects and surfaces is possibly but unlikely
 

budoslavic

Crow
Gold Member

The rise in public confidence for scientific groups is in stark contrast with that for other groups and institutions. For example, confidence in the military has been stable over the same time period, and that for journalists has declined.

But public confidence has turned upward with Democrats, not Republicans. Among Democrats and those leaning to the Democratic Party, 53% have a great deal of confidence in medical scientists to act in the public interest, up from 37% in January 2019. But among Republicans and those who lean Republican, 31% express a great deal of confidence in medical scientists, roughly the same as in 2019 (32%). As a result, there is now a 22 percentage point difference between partisan groups when it comes to trust in medical scientists.

While a majority of U.S. adults (59%) believe social distancing measures are helping a lot to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Democrats are more likely to say this than Republicans (69% vs. 49%). And, when asked about possible reasons for the ongoing presence of new infections in the U.S., partisans diverge, particularly when it comes to the role of testing. Three-quarters of Democrats (75%) consider too little testing a major factor behind new disease cases in the U.S. compared with 37% of Republicans.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Wait? It's ONLY 53% of Democrats? That's an astoundingly low number compared to the current state of Democrats and implies that the only that's happened is that Karens of the anti-vaxxer breed have shifted to the more trendy Karens of the "Stay home save lives!" crowd.
 
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Captainstabbin

Hummingbird
^^^ She right about the mask's protection to you but it's still beneficial for someone who is contagious to wear one to at least have a barrier in the way for sneezes and coughs. So, same as it's always been, if you're sick either don't go where you can cough on people or wear a mask. If you're not actively sick, don't bother.
 
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