Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative and policy

RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

The idea of "asymptomatic carriers" just seems so bullshit to me. So most people who "test positive" for the virus are indistinguishable from everyone else, but it's still meaningful somehow simply because they "tested positive".
 
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

The Catalyst said:
The idea of "asymptomatic carriers" just seems so bullshit to me. So most people who "test positive" for the virus are indistinguishable from everyone else, but it's still meaningful somehow simply because they "tested positive".
And the best part is - if you test again the negatives in 4 weeks, you get new positives who are asymptomatic.
 

AnonymousBosch

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Roosh said:
AB: I agree with you about this plan in general, but there is nothing to indicate Chabbad is leading it (though they could be involved). If everything, they seem to be on the defense. Trump is the Chabbad point man and there is genuine resistance for him to go along with the "social distancing" and quarantine meme that the other side is pushing. I believe this is a left/technocratic-driven plan. The lead role of Bill Gates is a clue to that.

I don't state this to debate or hijack the thread. We'll know in a month or two. I see Chabbad/Zionism as a tolerated faction of the dialectic, but if I'm right, their power will decrease relative to the technocrats on the left.
Personally, I'm hoping neither of us are right, but, either way, everything about the Chabbad website shows their agenda is no more about Jesus Christ than the Left's, and large chunks of it are identical - particularly the Tikkun Olam aspect, the Free Global Movement of populations and all the 'Protecting Mother Earth' garbage.

This is interesting. Once again, The Rabbis argue without saying anything definite. I assume, what this means, is they can interpret it in Legalistic Fashion however they choose to.

Mandating Vaccinations

Assuming that vaccinating when there is a high risk of catching a disease is similar to fleeing from an epidemic, then it’s mandatory for you to do it, and others can be compelled to do so as well. The question that still needs to be addressed is whether, from a purely halachic perspective, we can mandate it even when there is no current epidemic.

Some hold that since vaccinations have become the accepted and standard practice, it is incumbent upon all parents to provide them for their children. Thus, it would be right to mandate vaccination. Others, however, are of the opinion that while we can at times force someone to receive medical treatment, we cannot, from a purely halachic perspective, compel a healthy person or a parent to vaccinate, even if his or her refusal is based on an “irrational fear.”
 
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

AnonymousBosch said:
Ah, sorry, I should have clarified. I thought some of this was understood from my posts in the Symptoms and earlier in this thread.

- I do believe this virus is was an attempt at a biological weapon that backfired on the Israelis, as they're equally susceptible to it. Most likely to do with Satan's 100 year reign ending a couple of years back. The Chabbad infection numbers in Israel are quite high. I was reading an article earlier where 50% of Chabbad students who recently returned to Israel from the US tested positive.

- I believe that outside certain racial and commorbidities, this is just a mild-to-medium flu for the majority of people.

- I believe the shortages of products in supermarkets and equipment for medical staff isn't organic either. I noticed the irregularities in logistic deliveries before the panic hit. The mail out of America has been messed up since Mid-January.

- I think the ridiculously overstated fear of its danger is being used as cover to bring about a global financial depression, UBI, and a cashless society that was already planned.
There's also a Q theory apparently(I don't read Q, just heard from others who do) that the "bad guys" wanted to unleash a horrible virus, the "good guys" either stopped them or unleashed a much milder virus instead, either as an inoculation attempt or simple substitution, and the "bad guys" are forced to proceed with their plan as if the horrible virus was in fact unleashed.
 

Easy_C

Crow
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

And is there any evidence to back either of these things up besides speculation that sounds good in hindsight?

The problem with these scenarios is that it’s very easy to argue the null hypothesis.
 

bacon

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]


She was forcefully removed and arrested on a train in Thailand for not wearing a facemask because she "looked sick"

Btw Thailand has had 17 deaths. The first "victim" of coronavirus there also had dengue fever.

The following are new expressions entering the collective consciousness thanks to the media:

"alone together"

"social distancing"

"lock us down"

"new normal"

"safer at home"

"stronger 6ft apart"

"in this together"
 
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]


From the NYC epicenter - calm as can be with lots of unused resources.

The hospital bed utilization is also very low.

The ascribed mortality rate is high, they could have easily killed 100-200 people more with the treatment.

HOwever I seriously doubt that they will reach 2400 daily deaths, because that would mean that they drag people from their homes and strap them into ventilators against their will.

Also they are projecting the peak in 7 days and a steep fall after that which is a bit odd to me because they could peak in 2030 if they test constantly.

400 deaths per day is already stretching it and they would have to count even murder victims as covid deaths.

The daily death rates for New York are a tricky matter since they have so many more crime and traffic victims etc. But generally we can estimate a daily death rate of 200-500 depending the season and day. (average around 330-350 per day over the year)

The only real commotion there was - it was found 7 days ago when people stood in line in order to get their 20% lottery positive test results. That is when the media cameras were the most busy.
 

Dallas Winston

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Easy_C said:
I distinctly remember even as a kid having this grossed out feeling about American Pie. I couldn’t understand why but I distinctly FELT like the movie was a cultural attack at the time.
The entire 90's was a cultural attack. An unraveling, if you will..
 

Captain Gh

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

bacon said:

She was forcefully removed and arrested on a train in Thailand for not wearing a facemask because she "looked sick"

Btw Thailand has had 17 deaths. The first "victim" of coronavirus there also had dengue fever.

The following are new expressions entering the collective consciousness thanks to the media:

"alone together"

"social distancing"

"lock us down"

"new normal"

"safer at home"

"stronger 6ft apart"

"in this together"
I was afraid this would start to happen! All my life I've wondered how the hell could a Soviet Style Communism Snitching system could ever be upheld by citizens who agree to attack fellow citizens! Well... I'm wondering NO MORE!

Stupidly... I believed that having access to The Web would make the Herd mentality extremely hard to achieve... it's the complete opposite... the Fear gets spread quicker & quicker... thus causing the more panick!

I'm not gonna lie... if I was evil... and smart enough to be part of the Elite... I'd be having a Blast right now seeing all this doom & gloom around!
 

DamienCasanova

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Roosh said:
It hit me last night when I was thinking about the 5G theory. 5G poisoning isn't the cause of the virus, but it will be the cure, to monitor everyone constantly and "stop the spread". And to feed the new AI that will be running the world. We may actually be in the middle of an AI takeover right now. There may be a Hivemind in China already that is using their surveillance system and 5G netowrk to hoover up all the data it can, and is wargaming this scenario for total control.

This article summed it up better than I can explain it. The global war on viruses. The controlled demolition of the world economy, the rise of 5G and AI, mandatory vaccination and microchipping, the Mark of the Beast is here.


Ground Control to Planet Lockdown: This Is Only a Test
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/02/ground-control-planet-lockdown-only-test/

"There’s no question “a severe pandemic, which becomes ‘Event 201’ would require reliable cooperation among several industries, national governments, and key international institutions”, as spun by the sponsors. Covid-19 is eliciting exactly this kind of “cooperation”. Whether it’s “reliable” is open to endless debate.

The fact is that, all over Planet Lockdown, a groundswell of public opinion is leaning towards defining the current state of affairs as a global psyop: a deliberate global meltdown – the New Great Depression – imposed on unsuspecting citizens by design.

The powers that be, taking their cue from the tried and tested, decades-old CIA playbook, of course are breathlessly calling it a “conspiracy theory”. Yet what vast swathes of global public opinion observe is a – dangerous – virus being used as cover for the advent of a new, digital financial system, complete with a forced vaccine cum nanochip creating a full, individual, digital identity.

The most plausible scenario for our immediate future reads like clusters of smart cities linked by AI, with people monitored full time and duly micro-chipped doing what they need with a unified digital currency, in an atmosphere of Bentham’s and Foucault’s Panopticum on overdrive.


So if this is really our future, the existing world-system has to go. This is a test, this is only a test."
 
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

To post something positive to todays' news cycle, I am warming up to our gangsta former bodyguard and human trafficker PM. He is getting asked to open things again 3 times a day. He was pressed to promise that once we have 3 days of a dropping "infection" rate, he would stop the lockdown and instead implement the more sensible measures (old folks at home, etc). To add to that, the President (from the political opposition and former Bulgarian Communist Party) has taken the totally different stance and arguing for the saving of the economy (the former communist party guy, real clown compass here), mostly to prepare for the next election.

In this case it might be beneficial that in the Balkans it is very hard to get 50% of the people to agree on something. :)

Our leaders are clueless but try to copy other international cases. They might have a point, because we closed things a bit earlier and have a low rate so far. Still hope a compromise will be reached before civil unrest starts.

Despite the strong contempt of some of the Aussie members here for our criticism of the narrative, I hope they don't really implement this 6 month hara-kiri.
 

Roosh

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

DamienCasanova said:
It hit me last night when I was thinking about the 5G theory. 5G poisoning isn't the cause of the virus, but it will be the cure, to monitor everyone constantly and "stop the spread". And to feed the new AI that will be running the world. We may actually be in the middle of an AI takeover right now.
You got it. The extra bandwidth is not needed for our internet-enabled toasters but the new level of control they need to implement. The AI will be controlled by the technocrats, who are behind the coronavirus "pandemic."
 

Serie A1

Robin
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Roosh said:
I'm too disturbed to sleep.

This is starting to look like a worldwide revolution masquerading as a "pandemic".
A few years ago, a friend of mine was convinced that the world was going to end in that particular year. My considered response was that until international soccer tournaments (FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euros etc.) and the Summer Olympic Games were cancelled, we had absolutely nothing to worry about!

That said, I would be interested to see what general public opinion is in a month. Most people in most countries simply do not have the savings and/or cashflow cushion to keep afloat after a few weeks of zero income. That is inevitably going to create certain systemic pressures.

Plus, this is not exactly fun. Drastically reduced cultural and social amenities, no leisure and no travel is hardly from the 'bread and games' playbook; beyond a point, it doesn't seem well thought-out.
 

Easy_C

Crow
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Serie A1 said:
Roosh said:
I'm too disturbed to sleep.

This is starting to look like a worldwide revolution masquerading as a "pandemic".
A few years ago, a friend of mine was convinced that the world was going to end in that particular year. My considered response was that until international soccer tournaments (FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euros etc.) and the Summer Olympic Games were cancelled, we had absolutely nothing to worry about!

That said, I would be interested to see what general public opinion is in a month. Most people in most countries simply do not have the savings and/or cashflow cushion to keep afloat after a few weeks of zero income. That is inevitably going to create certain systemic pressures.

Plus, this is not exactly fun. Drastically reduced cultural and social amenities, no leisure and no travel is hardly from the 'bread and games' playbook; beyond a point, it doesn't seem well thought-out.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/the-lefts-coup-in-your-face/

The Left’s Coup – In Your Face

COMMENT: Dear Martin,

In Portugal, we have since Q42015 a left government. The first 4 years were a Socialist government with a kind of explicit support of Communist and Extreme Left. Since last year’s elections, the Socialists are again in power but now with an implicit support from the other two left parties. Portugal enjoyed a “nice” economic recovery, despite this left coalition based on two major things: Gold Visa programme (a law from previous right Government) and Tourism. The Gold visa will be canceled soon because the left says it’s only for criminals/money laundering and tourism… well we know that’s going on!

Today reading the Extreme Left (Bloco de Esquerda) site I found the following on their main (!) page:
“…Containment of disease has three fundamental obstacles. Firstly, the negationism of national governments in the face of the pandemic. This was the case, in the first instance, with the government of China (which corrected its actions and is now active in the international articulation to stop it), but also with the US administration of Trump or the British government of Boris Johnson. This is the case with the Brazilian government, whose president classifies the pandemic crisis as “a matter of fantasy”. Secondly, economic globalisation – which has facilitated the rapid spread of the disease without matching multilateral cooperation instruments – makes it difficult to implement containment measures. Thirdly, containment requires measures to halt activity in several countries for long periods…”

No further comments! And Congrats for the Great work!

JC

REPLY: This is really a highly coordinated coup by the left on an international level – USA & Europe. They all agreed that their targets have been Trump and Johnson as well as Merkel and the Netherlands. This is an all-out coup and they have deliberately used the rhetoric over this virus to make most people afraid to even go outside.

When you have even guys like that saying it you've got some significant indicators something is wrong ere.
 

Serie A1

Robin
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

Easy_C said:
I distinctly remember even as a kid having this grossed out feeling about American Pie. I couldn’t understand why but I distinctly FELT like the movie was a cultural attack at the time.
You're doubtless correct, but spiritually that franchise was even worse. It was horribly symbolic of a culture that was losing its very soul, and with it, its capacity for art, beauty, and love.

I feel genuinely sorry for anyone involved with those productions, because to have that on your conscience for the rest of your life...
 

Oak

Robin
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

How many of the people who died (with) corona caught it at the hospital?

Since nearly all of them had pre-existing conditions, how many were already hospitalized?

They're telling healthy people to isolate preventing herd immunity and then moving people with the virus to hospitals full of sick and elderly people where corona might be the final straw.

Add to this the fact that we have mountains of evidence that we are run by psychopaths who don't care in the slightest about the health or safety of their people and it looks like more than just incompetence.

bucky said:
So, basically all women. At least as far as I can tell, judging from social media.
The female hysteria has been interesting. 99% of their reproductive strategy is stay alive. That's it. Keep that pulse going and you will have every opportunity to reproduce successfully as a woman.

Even the very slightest possibility that they may be unsafe triggers an insane response in women.

Add to this the boomers who have been MK Ultra'd to believe whatever the TV tells them and the massive feminization of men and you have what we are witnessing now.
 
RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

therajraj said:
This guy filmed the outside of NYC hospitals and they were largely empty out front

FRank Tufano - the slightly crazy carnivore - but good stuff nonetheless.

But interesting side-effects - it shows the insane propaganda of the "cars-pollute-our-cities" Green Bolsheviks:

[attachment=43431]

We got multiple reports from German cities clearly showing that car traffic is down by 98%, but air pollution did not decrease one bit. Explanation - it's just basic heating, a few wooden chimneys that would have been 10.000 times more 600 years ago.

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And here more hospital reports:



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Bill Gates: Microchip implants against coronavirus
https://www.freiewelt.net/nachricht/bill-gates-mikrochip-implantate-gegen-coronavirus-10080827/

Of course - how else shall we fight this virus, but by accepting a microchip below our skin, monthly vaccines, total financial collapse, little travel, insect-protein-burgers.

Save us oh Bill Gates who is concerned about overpopulation and thus wants us to live longer.
 

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Aurini

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RE: Criticisms of Coronavirus narrative [previously: Skeptics of Coronovirus]

AnonymousBosch said:
Ah, sorry, I should have clarified. I thought some of this was understood from my posts in the Symptoms and earlier in this thread.

- I do believe this virus is was an attempt at a biological weapon that backfired on the Israelis, as they're equally susceptible to it. Most likely to do with Satan's 100 year reign ending a couple of years back. The Chabbad infection numbers in Israel are quite high. I was reading an article earlier where 50% of Chabbad students who recently returned to Israel from the US tested positive.

- I believe that outside certain racial and commorbidities, this is just a mild-to-medium flu for the majority of people.

- I believe the shortages of products in supermarkets and equipment for medical staff isn't organic either. I noticed the irregularities in logistic deliveries before the panic hit. The mail out of America has been messed up since Mid-January.

- I think the ridiculously overstated fear of its danger is being used as cover to bring about a global financial depression, UBI, and a cashless society that was already planned.
I've got a head for numbers. I see the patterns in them. Just take that as a given, for the sake of argument. I've been watching this very closely from the very beginning and none of the numbers make sense. I know from personal data that the virus actually exists, but it's beyond a certainty that it either A) doesn't spread as virulently as is claimed, or B) it's incredibly minor in the majority of people, and even those it does affect just have a nasty flu for the most part. Nothing is adding up; either we're being intentionally lied to, or the panic is causing people to go off half-cocked, creating bad models with bad data. Or a bit of both.

Specifically the supply chains that AB mentioned - that's another bit of data that doesn't make any sense. Toilet paper: it's an inelastic product. Sure, during the first weeks of the panic, NPCs are going to buy up tons of it because they don't know how to actually prep for things - but once they've filled the spare bedroom, they'll have different priorities. And yet the toilet paper crisis is still on going.

This makes no sense. The stocks should have been replenished by now. Similarly, the other shortages continue - finding eggs is particularly difficult where I am. The period of shortages should be over by now, and yet it's continuing. Something else is going on, and intentional disruption of the supply chains makes a lot of sense. You wouldn't have to do much to interrupt them - simply under-staff a particular office, or require some new form of paperwork that massively delays things. Canada Post has gone from saying "Your package will arrive in approximately 5 business days" to "Your package will arrive in 1 to 12 business days." Reprogramming that is no simple feat.

Something more than just a virus panic is going on.
 
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