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<blockquote data-quote="Blade Runner" data-source="post: 1323005" data-attributes="member: 17573">There isn&#039;t anything really to be done about COVID19 since essentially it&#039;s a disease of the unhealthy and elderly (commonly, but not always, the same thing). So it doesn&#039;t even matter to move Doctor X here, Dr. Y there. What is to be done would be recognition that herd immunity is the endpoint and HCQ plus Azithro plus Zn is both prophylactic and effective.&quot;Doctors and Pharma&quot; are only bad when CDC or lobbying is implicated. The &quot;system&quot; (throw a dash of hospital systems in there) is affected by these, though, no doubt. The California urgent care doctors don&#039;t have an agenda. They told the truth. Their livelihood taking a hit just made them more bold, they felt they had less to lose. A virus that is more infectious doesn&#039;t mean anything except more people come in contact with it. Think common cold. No big deal. Why? It doesn&#039;t have a high lethality. Neither does sars-cov2, even though it has a higher lethality.The data has been consistently showing us the same thing (Ioannidis and Levitt both said this early, and they are right). It spreads easily when people are trapped indoors or in high contact in colder weather (NYC) with population density. Healthy people don&#039;t die from it. We have a lot of old and unhealthy people. There will not be more people that die this year than any other year COVID19 isn&#039;t around. All cause mortality doesn&#039;t lie. That will demonstrate the bias, but we have to wait about a year or so to see the data in aggregate. And by that time, the narrative will have already run its course. Data will have meant that much less, not that it has meant anything so far.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blade Runner, post: 1323005, member: 17573"] There isn't anything really to be done about COVID19 since essentially it's a disease of the unhealthy and elderly (commonly, but not always, the same thing). So it doesn't even matter to move Doctor X here, Dr. Y there. What is to be done would be recognition that herd immunity is the endpoint and HCQ plus Azithro plus Zn is both prophylactic and effective. "Doctors and Pharma" are only bad when CDC or lobbying is implicated. The "system" (throw a dash of hospital systems in there) is affected by these, though, no doubt. The California urgent care doctors don't have an agenda. They told the truth. Their livelihood taking a hit just made them more bold, they felt they had less to lose. A virus that is more infectious doesn't mean anything except more people come in contact with it. Think common cold. No big deal. Why? It doesn't have a high lethality. Neither does sars-cov2, even though it has a high[B]er[/B] lethality. The data has been consistently showing us the same thing (Ioannidis and Levitt both said this early, and they are right). It spreads easily when people are trapped indoors or in high contact in colder weather (NYC) with population density. Healthy people don't die from it. We have a lot of old and unhealthy people. There will not be more people that die this year than any other year COVID19 isn't around. All cause mortality doesn't lie. That will demonstrate the bias, but we have to wait about a year or so to see the data in aggregate. And by that time, the narrative will have already run its course. Data will have meant that much less, not that it has meant anything so far. [/QUOTE]

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