Cuban TV: Fidel Castro Dead At 90
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Traktor said:
OK...
End of the day, I'm an anarchist brah.
I fully realize many are too foolish to live in a state of literal anarchy. A state of little to no government.
Many require the strict embrace of the nanny-state just to feel comfortable enough to get out of bed in the morning.
Yet end of the day. You won't find me bowing down to any glorified walking meat-bag. Regardless of their title or status.
GlobalMan said:
^Deaf ears.
In fairness a soviet commissar probably has a gun to his head as he types.
GlobalMan said:
Disagree. Those who oppose Castro are firmly in NWO/Globalist camp and hate Putin and Assad. That's a fact. Why? because like Cuba, they see states like Russia, Syria and Iran squarely against them and their interests. I'm referring to the hard Right of which they belong and their Islamist proxies. Look at the previous posts on here condemning visionaries like Col. Gaddafi and Hafez Assad who like Castro were staunch enemies of Western imperialism and Islamism. I suggest you read up on Bashar al Assad's old man to see how in touch he was with the wider world. He was a model of righteous rule not a murderous dictator as some here have painted him. All these guys, Castro, Gaddafi, Assad and Putin were or are in sight to be taken out by the globalists. Even Wesley Clark said it here
Yugoslavia was dismantled and Milosevic murdered by the exact same powers, armed with the exact same geo-political and globalist interests that took out Iraq, Libya and are now trying to bring down Syria.
Putin and Russia is the end game. You celebrate the deaths of Col. Gaddafi, Assad and Fidel Castro - you are the useful idiots of globalism. Take off your blinkers for once. What would you prefer? Russia to be facing the globalists with Iran, China, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela and others at it's back or facing off in its own?
This is the situation we have at hand in 2016. We have a common enemy, it's globalism and the tyranny of the Soros banking elite. Do you want a multipolar world of competing states with free trade and prosperity or a global neo-feudal slavery?
A cuban billionaire died today. A self made man who enriched himself in the business of socialism. Leaving 1B$ behind and a private island. Guess his name?
Communism is vomit. A day a communist dies is a joyful day. A teacher earns 20$ month in Cuba. Castro was against globalism but to replace it for a far worse system: Communism. If they are not different sides of same coin.
Time to invest in Cuban real estate?
http://www.espaciocuba.com/
Die communist scum.
Communism is vomit. A day a communist dies is a joyful day. A teacher earns 20$ month in Cuba. Castro was against globalism but to replace it for a far worse system: Communism. If they are not different sides of same coin.
Time to invest in Cuban real estate?
http://www.espaciocuba.com/
Die communist scum.
Traktor said:
When you say "you" are you referring to me personally, or to a group of people you've decided to include me in? Because I've never commented on those other figures perviously here. It seems that instead of understanding my point as I said it and mean it you are superimposing a pre-existing argument over what I say.
You are failing to understand what I'm saying. One does not have to support the terrible destructive legacy of Castro and his related death cult of communism in order to oppose globalism. One doesn't have to sing the praises of Gaddafi in order to espouse nationalism with conviction. These suggestions are just plainly dumb.
These guys are scumbags by any measure.
Maybe you must support scumbags in order to feel you are being true to the revolution, but others are free to see each country and leader for what they are individually. It is not a "fact" that if one dislikes Castro they must be opposed to Putin, or any other such strained and ridiculous logic.
North Korea and Venezuela -for Christs sake- are not some essential partners in a force for good against globalism.
GlobalMan said:
But you have just made the point that Gaddaffi, Hafez Assad and Castro were scumbags even though they were both nationalists and internationalists. All three did their damned to protect their cultures and nations from the ravages of globalist capitalism. With Gaddafi's and Assad's case the main threat was Islamic fundamentalism in the form of the CIA backed Muslim Brotherhood and Israel, fueled by the globalist desire to impose the NWO - All three along with Vladimir Putin, Slobodan Milosevic and Bashar al Assad will be long remembered for their just fight to free the world of globalist hegemonic tyranny. Long live their memories in the halls of heroes.
Putin is admired. Because he has no competition. Not entirely by his own merit. The west just degraded itself by it´s own fault to a level where a Russian dictator is the best we got. But at least he´s no communist. And he considers communism a bomb which was planted in Russia foundations.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-Putins-views-on-communism
"I think that these personalities of October 1917 planted a ticking bomb under a building [figuratively as a noun] of a unitary state called Russia"
Putin with all his faults he´s no communist.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-Putins-views-on-communism
"I think that these personalities of October 1917 planted a ticking bomb under a building [figuratively as a noun] of a unitary state called Russia"
Putin with all his faults he´s no communist.
Castro being opposed to the globalists didn't make him a principled anti-globalist than Hitler being opposed to the unions made him a principled free marketer.
Both were merely jealous of competitors to their power, as is the case for all dictators. Gaddafi and Saddam were tangentially useful to Western stability mainly because they kept killing the radicals in their midsts, but this does not make them principled servants of freedom or any friend to the US. They were merely good at keeping power to themselves.
Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was no different: he made common cause with the communist tiger in his early years. He still shot the fucker right between the eyes once he didn't need it any more.
These men were not free traders or libertarians, not by any stretch of the imagination. Libertarians and free traders don't need to muzzle competing political parties or shoot dissenters. They were also not nationalists: Castro's first and foremost interest was Castro, not Cuba.
Both were merely jealous of competitors to their power, as is the case for all dictators. Gaddafi and Saddam were tangentially useful to Western stability mainly because they kept killing the radicals in their midsts, but this does not make them principled servants of freedom or any friend to the US. They were merely good at keeping power to themselves.
Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was no different: he made common cause with the communist tiger in his early years. He still shot the fucker right between the eyes once he didn't need it any more.
These men were not free traders or libertarians, not by any stretch of the imagination. Libertarians and free traders don't need to muzzle competing political parties or shoot dissenters. They were also not nationalists: Castro's first and foremost interest was Castro, not Cuba.
Traktor said:
You win, comrade.
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Feel free to inform the man behind you with the gun known as comrade line supervisor that you have successfully converted us.
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I'm sure your family will be looking forward to their well deserved extra chunk of horse meat in their gruel.
Traktor said:
What does this mean exactly? It implies that as long as you're a nationalist you're "one of the good ones", that is the sole criteria. Ignore anything else.
Why can't one be both a scumbag and a nationalist?
Is there nothing other than the cause that should be taken into consideration? Death squads and political prisons forgiven as long as one was a nationalist?
Come on man. It's not difficult to see how this is silly.
Paracelsus said:
Tell me this, is Libya, Syria and Iraq and indeed the wider ME better off today in 2016 than it was in 1996? You know the answer to that. Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez and Saddam were deep down nationalists. To say different is absurdly silly. True they were not libertarians but try running that shit show in the ME or Cuba where Castro and Hafez Assad faced enemies from Day 1 intent on killing them and plundering their respective nations in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. And from a super power called the US of A.
Condemn these men and me all you want but at least I'm not cheerleading on the globalists.
Leonard D Neubache said:
You win, comrade.
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Feel free to inform the man behind you with the gun known as comrade line supervisor that you have successfully converted us.
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From Wikileaks - https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06HAVANA23588_a.html
This is who you are cheerleading. The neo-cons/neo-libs, and the Saudis.
This is who you are cheerleading. The neo-cons/neo-libs, and the Saudis.
Year zero nationalist. Great man?
This guy
Nationalist. What a super guy. Wish we were ruled by guys just like this!
Gosh, imagine how cheap real estate would be!
Leonard D Neubache said:
Year zero nationalist. Great man?
This guy
Nationalist. What a super guy. Wish we were ruled by guys just like this!
Gosh, imagine how cheap real estate would be!
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-hand
But what are you saying or defending? Cubans live in poverty. Doctors work in hotels as valets.
What should I admire in a man who plunged his people into poverty?
"Prior to the Cuban Revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.[16] The country compared favorably with Spain and Portugal on socioeconomic measures. By the 1950s Cuba was as rich per capita as Italy was and richer than Japan.[17] Its income per capita in 1929 was reportedly 41% of the US, thus higher than in Mississippi and South Carolina.[18]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba
I´m suppose to admire an idiot which led thousands of people to poverty? Is poverty good? Is hunger good? Is sickness good?
Incredible how can this still be debated. A lot of cubans would be better off if Castro had died earlier. Communist scum. I don´t care if it´s a globalist or nationalist. The well being/standard of living of the people is the criteria. Or maybe it isn´t in your view.
Peoples freedom. Respect for each other. Meritocracy. Etc, etc, etc.
You can debate in theory communism. But in real life. In real world it´s an ideology which only brought misery to the people. Regardless of the tool who pushed this nefarious agenda.
Lastly it´s more and less proven communists is the trendy ideology of the sons of wealthy families. It´s fashionable. Fuck them.
What should I admire in a man who plunged his people into poverty?
"Prior to the Cuban Revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.[16] The country compared favorably with Spain and Portugal on socioeconomic measures. By the 1950s Cuba was as rich per capita as Italy was and richer than Japan.[17] Its income per capita in 1929 was reportedly 41% of the US, thus higher than in Mississippi and South Carolina.[18]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba
I´m suppose to admire an idiot which led thousands of people to poverty? Is poverty good? Is hunger good? Is sickness good?
Incredible how can this still be debated. A lot of cubans would be better off if Castro had died earlier. Communist scum. I don´t care if it´s a globalist or nationalist. The well being/standard of living of the people is the criteria. Or maybe it isn´t in your view.
Peoples freedom. Respect for each other. Meritocracy. Etc, etc, etc.
You can debate in theory communism. But in real life. In real world it´s an ideology which only brought misery to the people. Regardless of the tool who pushed this nefarious agenda.
Lastly it´s more and less proven communists is the trendy ideology of the sons of wealthy families. It´s fashionable. Fuck them.
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