Cuban TV: Fidel Castro Dead At 90

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Traktor

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Tributes continue to pour in from Russia.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611261047868478-castro-passing-russian-reaction/

Putin stressed that Fidel Castro had made a huge contribution to the development of Russian-Cuban relations, and to strategic cooperation between the two countries in all areas. Castro was "a sincere and reliable friend of Russia," according to the president.
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Fidel has passed the baton on. Over to you Vlad to lead the fight.

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Leonard D Neubache

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chakalaka said:
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Incredible how can this still be debated. A lot of cubans would be better off if Castro had died earlier. Communist scum. I don´t care if it´s a globalist or nationalist. The well being/standard of living of the people is the criteria. Or maybe it isn´t in your view.
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That's why 1000 years after the last communist has died some damn idiot will dust off a copy of The Communist Manifesto and not long thereafter millions of people will be rounded up and shot while millions more will be starved to death.

The greatest injustice of the last century is that communism wasn't regarded as even more evil than Nationalist socialism (ie the NAZIs).
 
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Traktor said:
Tell me this, is Libya, Syria and Iraq and indeed the wider ME better off today in 2016 than it was in 1996? You know the answer to that.
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The better question in Syria's case is what state the country was in before Assad's father led the 1970 Corrective Revolution (why do the dictators always choose Glorious And Fantastic Names For Their "Bloodless" Military Coups? Wow, Such Revolution, Very Proletariat, Much People Power).

As Assad's own foreign minister said in 2000: "I am not exaggerating when I say that the Corrective Movement, which took place in 1970 under the leadership of Hafez al-Assad ... has crystalized for the first time in modern Arab history a mature and realistic pan-Arab ideology."

Yes, because nothing horrible ever happens with pan-Arabic ideologies...

Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez and Saddam were deep down nationalists. To say different is absurdly silly. True they were not libertarians but try running that shit show in the ME or Cuba where Castro and Hafez Assad faced enemies from Day 1 intent on killing them and plundering their respective nations in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. And from a super power called the US of A.
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You do know Hafez Assad was a part of the coup against the elected Syrian government in 1961, right? Not to mention that what prompted the coup was an attempt at unifying Egypt and Syria led by Arabs in order to oppose Israel? Would you like to specify what US influence was at play there?

Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez, and Saddam were deep down out for themselves first. They didn't have any concern for their people except to what extent those people were a threat to their regimes.
 
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Viva la revolución! We are with you North Korea and Venezuela! Fight on comrades! There are still people who haven't lost everything yet! This will work soon!



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Traktor, have you ever been to Cuba?

Or is Cuba for you just a romantic, nostalgic and grandiose idea?

Also, are you aware that Communism is the most globalist of all globalist ideas? For communists, there are no religions, no roots, no ethnicities (even though EE communists secretly despise and fear sub-Saharans, don't you now?), no nativisms. And no private property, by the way. Total globalism (through global misery).
 
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Traktor said:
Fidel has passed the baton on. Over to you Vlad to lead the fight.
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If you want to pass yourself as a true Russian, start calling the Russian Federation president, Vladimir Vladimirovich (or better, Gospodin President). No Russian call him Vlad, I'm pretty sure even PM Medvedev don't call him "Vlad"... Just that you know... I mean, your (obvious, exaggerated) CCCP trolling can improve in quality, tovarich.
 
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My god the word-think in this thread.

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At the end of the day the results are what they are.

We can learn from Castro's experience in applying the laws of power but he was a scumbag and that's it. I'd rather live under "globalism" (whatever that means in this instance) than regimes like the Castros and I think any sane person would too.

Now it's time to lift the asylum policy, though we may have to wait until Raul bites the bullet too.
 
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I think people don't fully understand cuba.

There are 2 very distinct subgroups on this.

1) There are many people who love Fidel Castro. A lot of people think of him as a great man who has taken care of them when times have been difficult.
My girlfriend was actually very sad about his death for example.

2) There are many that wished him dead. This is especially true in places where refugees live (i..e. Miami) Why? Well they left Cuba so obviously the number is going to be much higher that dislike him their.

People like to make Cuba out to be a communist shit hole where its impossible to get ahead. I guarantee if you left any self made man or entrepreneur there we have on the forum they would be able to become very successful. When I go there all I see is opportunity.

The Cubans celebrating his death are acting like change is in the air...reality...In Cuba there are 9 days of mourning right now where all the Discos etc. are shut down.

Heres the next in line after Raul (Though it's possible one of the Castro children is chosen to lead after) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Díaz-Canel

Cuba is gonna stay same old same old. You have to remember that they have an entire government of people who agree with Fidel.

The whole hes a murderer, terrible person dialogue is somewhat media pushed and Miami Mafia pushed. It is not in lines with what you'll hear inside of Cuba.
 
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I knew this thread would turn out like this. I'm going to refrain myself from posting too much in here to avoid being banned but I cannot help but laugh at the stupidity of some of these comments.

Especially those of you praising someone's accomplishment based on textbook knowledge without living it.

I lived it the majority of my life, my family still lives it and no one can tell me otherwise or attempt to act like they know what it's like.
 
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I'm sure Colin Kaperdick is sad.

Castro's legacy is mixed. He brought some great changes to Cuba, such as universal education and near universal literacy. However, almost all Communist countries have that tempered with internal repression, sluggish economies, etc. Where else are they still driving 1950s Studebakers around?
 
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I've relied on the writing of Humberto Fontova to counter the media-made myth of Castro's Cuba and Guevera's heroics.

Canadians, especially Quebecers, have long wilfully ignored Cuban realities in the quest of cheap tropical vacations.

A friend of mine who grew up behind the Iron Curtain went there on vacation once; his experienced eye had him spotting the secret police/snitches everywhere they went.

Glad he's gone, but not sure how much will change.
 
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Traktor said:
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The Cuban-Americans in Miami sureare enjoying the news about Castros death.

http://twitter.com/CNN/status/802416871387623424
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Miami Cubans may just be the most obnoxious breed of humans on Earth, up there with Zionist Israeli Jews.
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Mistakes made by the US, even massive ones for example in Syria, or even if the US were evil, do not make for a magical black and white narrative that suddenly makes Castro a good person or a good leader.

You are essentially repeating the Marxist propaganda about Castro, that he somehow opposed a global elite. The Marxist story is the same in every country everywhere and you have spit it back at us like a good unthinking soldier. The enemy ("the" capitalists, or anyone with resources or capital) control everyone and everything in some grand unbreakable power structure and your revolutionary bloodbath hero opposes "them." There is a great and powerful "they" who rule the world, and "they" can only be stopped by "me." Get behind "me," and "we" will stop the "they." If "I" have to do something evil, its ok because "we" are against the "they."

There is no global "they" which Castro fought against. He was just another sociopath that had the good fortune of living on a basically lesser important island, so that he could continue his atrocities for decades. He tortured, killed, starved tens of thousands. There is no free speech in Cuba. Every block has a government paid spy known to neighbors who reports any anti-Communist statements.

The fact that some other evil may have taken place in the world by other people who oppose Castro does not change the nature of what Castro was. Miami Cubans know and fled this and built a great life made possible by freedom. Your statement about them and Jews is in fact a real live example of racism by definition, and a rare example of a racist statement on this forum.

Despite your seemingly strong analysis on many other subjects in your posts about Syria and other topics, by your own words on Castro your statements can called out for what they are. Useful idiot, maybe. Communist, Racist, one who wishes the world to be ruled by brute force?

Thanks to the evil bankers for the mistake of allowing me freedom of speech so that I can call a spade a spade, and oppose your lies hidden behind the bait and switch trick of "look over here at these evil bankers" while quickly making up a narrative about how Castro was supposedly great.
 
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Off The Reservation said:
Mistakes made by the US, even massive ones for example in Syria, or even if the US were evil, do not make for a magical black and white narrative that suddenly makes Castro a good person or a good leader.
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Cuba is a staunch ally of Syria and has sent money, arms and men to aid Assad to thwart US/Western backed Islamist headchopping fanatics.

You are essentially repeating the Marxist propaganda about Castro, that he somehow opposed a global elite. The Marxist story is the same in every country everywhere and you have spit it back at us like a good unthinking soldier. The enemy ("the" capitalists, or anyone with resources or capital) control everyone and everything in some grand unbreakable power structure and your revolutionary bloodbath hero opposes "them." There is a great and powerful "they" who rule the world, and "they" can only be stopped by "me." Get behind "me," and "we" will stop the "they." If "I" have to do something evil, its ok because "we" are against the "they."
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It isn't propaganda, it's fact. Cuba, Russia, Iran and Syria are in the one camp. One strike against one is a strike against all. That's why Russia sent troops to Syria and would get Cuba's back if Trump tried the same with Havana, likewise with Iran.

There is no global "they" which Castro fought against. He was just another sociopath that had the good fortune of living on a basically lesser important island, so that he could continue his atrocities for decades. He tortured, killed, starved tens of thousands. There is no free speech in Cuba. Every block has a government paid spy known to neighbors who reports any anti-Communist statements.
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So much so that the globalists made 638 attempts to take him out but failed miserably. Yeah they saw him like Gaddaffi and Assad as a non threat. Give me a break. Freedom of speech, democracy you say. The US track record on that isn't exactly stellar either.

The fact that some other evil may have taken place in the world by other people who oppose Castro does not change the nature of what Castro was. Miami Cubans know and fled this and built a great life made possible by freedom. Your statement about them and Jews is in fact a real live example of racism by definition, and a rare example of a racist statement on this forum.
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So my opposition to Israel makes me an anti-Semite? Jog on dude.

Despite your seemingly strong analysis on many other subjects in your posts about Syria and other topics, by your own words on Castro your statements can called out for what they are. Useful idiot, maybe. Communist, Racist, one who wishes the world to be ruled by brute force?
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First I was a global Marxist, then an anti-Semite, now I'm a racist. For God's sake Alt Righters, make up your mind.

Thanks to the evil bankers for the mistake of allowing me freedom of speech so that I can call a spade a spade, and oppose your lies hidden behind the bait and switch trick of "look over here at these evil bankers" while quickly making up a narrative about how Castro was supposedly great.
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Well if the bankers have their way, you will be living in a neo-feudal, debt ridden tyranny and internet freedom wont mean shit. In fact, they have already begun curtailing the internet by blacklisting pro-Russian journos and media outlets such as RT and Press TV not to mention their attempts at silencing whistleblowers like Assange. Your Cuban exile friends in Miami would have no qualms about helping Assange and Snowden to Guantanamo Bay which as we know is the biggest torture centre in Cuba run and controlled by........the USA.

What this thread has shown is a shocking grasp of international geo-politics by many Americans on here who grew up amidst Cold War paranoia and flag waving Chuck Norris/Rambo flicks, and shout Barry Obama is a communist.
 
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He was more popular with Americans than with Cubans.

I was at Gold's Gym, where I sometimes watch CNN by accident. They were all acting like Jesus or the Pope had died.
 
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