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<blockquote data-quote="Elipe" data-source="post: 1362297" data-attributes="member: 17998"><p>I would say that obeying and honoring are two different concepts, and this lecture conflates the two, but excellent lecture otherwise. Indeed, honoring your parents is not the same thing as obeying their words all the time. To honor somebody is to hold them in great respect, and to hold one in respect, you should seek that which is good for them. It is honoring to a drug addict to be rescued from his addiction, even above his protestations, and dishonoring to a drug addict to offer him drugs, even if he asks for them.</p><p></p><p>As for honor when it comes to matters of obedience to parents, this lecture nails it. Is it honorable for a man to take poison if his father commands it? How can it be honorable to obey an evil order? For that man to follow his father's destructive order, that would be to honor the evil in his father. But evil does not warrant honor in any form or manner, and should be dishonored, for evil is dishonorable by nature. Therefore, for that man to honor his father, he should disobey that command, for then this honors the good in his father, which comes from God.</p><p></p><p>We obey God, not for the sake of obedience itself, but because God is the author of Good, and the source and sink of all honor. When you honor your father and your mother, you honor God through them. Obedience to God, therefore, follows from a place of giving honor to where it is due, for all honor must end up with God. We obey God because God, by His own nature and by contrast with our nature, is worthy of our obedience. Like gravity, in which up must come down, like thermodynamics, where hot moves to cold, and like electricity, where negative moves to positive, so too honor must go from the lesser to the greater.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elipe, post: 1362297, member: 17998"] I would say that obeying and honoring are two different concepts, and this lecture conflates the two, but excellent lecture otherwise. Indeed, honoring your parents is not the same thing as obeying their words all the time. To honor somebody is to hold them in great respect, and to hold one in respect, you should seek that which is good for them. It is honoring to a drug addict to be rescued from his addiction, even above his protestations, and dishonoring to a drug addict to offer him drugs, even if he asks for them. As for honor when it comes to matters of obedience to parents, this lecture nails it. Is it honorable for a man to take poison if his father commands it? How can it be honorable to obey an evil order? For that man to follow his father's destructive order, that would be to honor the evil in his father. But evil does not warrant honor in any form or manner, and should be dishonored, for evil is dishonorable by nature. Therefore, for that man to honor his father, he should disobey that command, for then this honors the good in his father, which comes from God. We obey God, not for the sake of obedience itself, but because God is the author of Good, and the source and sink of all honor. When you honor your father and your mother, you honor God through them. Obedience to God, therefore, follows from a place of giving honor to where it is due, for all honor must end up with God. We obey God because God, by His own nature and by contrast with our nature, is worthy of our obedience. Like gravity, in which up must come down, like thermodynamics, where hot moves to cold, and like electricity, where negative moves to positive, so too honor must go from the lesser to the greater. [/QUOTE]
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