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Right now is "your time." We are all on death's bed in a way. A lot of people would like to pretend that we aren't. Life is short. What happens after is not relevant. It's like the really high keys on the piano that you can't even hear.
To me, real death is not when your heart stops and your body starts to decompose. Real death is the absence of meaning. This is worse than death, because to experience the absence of meaning is infinitely more painful.
Living a meaningful life is the best you can do. It is the opposite of death. What is important to you?
My dick tells me what to do most of the time.
To me, real death is not when your heart stops and your body starts to decompose. Real death is the absence of meaning. This is worse than death, because to experience the absence of meaning is infinitely more painful.
Living a meaningful life is the best you can do. It is the opposite of death. What is important to you?
My dick tells me what to do most of the time.
Chad Daring
Ostrich
Religion has always been glorified human ignorance. Before the last 2000 years when science started to get a grip on why everything happened there was a "god" for every phenomenon. "Why" and "Death" are the only two great mysteries left, we cant explain them, yet, so we for now we still have the idea of God.
houston said:
I haven't looked much into it, but Ian Stevenson and his heir Jim Tucker are the only ones I trusted to be meticulous and thorough enough to be credible. I haven't looked into other paranormal researchers who are, perhaps, driven more by their desire to be hippie fame-whores than the aforementioned two, who are simply following up on the leads without much of an agenda, or much reward for that matter.
I can recommend Twenty Cases and Life Before Life. Stevenson has a bunch of others but they tend to be rather rare and expensive. A good, brief introductory interview with Jim Tucker can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKT5UsKoqM
No reason to believe there is anything after this life. Have you talked to old people (80+)? Most say they are bored with life and ready to die. I suppose a lot of that has to do with the physical and mental limits of being that age. Still, I don't see that our limited human brains are able to get much pleasure or benefit from living longer than we do. I am much more concerned about age-related decay and the dying process than I am about being dead and there not being an afterlife.
i look at the afterllife like before i was born. i dont remember anything and i think if their is something post life it would be something like that. people take things too serious. everything is temporary. the best you can hope for is living to be 100 yrs old. if that is not temporary i dont know what is.
FretDancer
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houston said:
Read Many Lives, Many Masters. It's a good and short book that you can easily finish in two sittings.
I'm not saying I believe in it, but it was a great read and I enjoyed it very much. You really feel more alive while reading it, and you feel a very very very mild euphoria while doing so, at least it happened to me. Through the whole time I was reading it, there was always this sense of just peace and calmness, like somehow all of a sudden I had stopped worrying about death and everything else, even thought I didn't completely believe what the book was saying, I'm a skeptical by nature.
The book also has a sequel, I haven't read it yet but I might get around it soon.
Your spiritual body and your physical body are two different things. Your physical body has a shelf life and will see its time. Your spiritual self lives on and will be re-morphed into a new type of energy somewhere else.
When you trace back the origins of Religion you start to see that it started as a way for humans to try and explain how this "spirit/energy" was. It is something that is to big for humans to ever understand but the truth that it exists is to great to ignore. To me personally a humans life goal is to try and figure out what their spirit is and how it fits into the big picture of it all, you have to look inside and outwards, take good and bad, you can't pick or choose or shape it to whatever image you like. The modern person focuses on shaping a false sense of whom they are and they deviate to much from their natural spirit and start to get sick.
Your energy and all of our energy passes through everything, we are supposed to keep this balance to ensure we are healthy and continue to evolve and grow. Your energy once you pass will be decided, but as a matter of faith (not in a religion, text, law, but faith in energy and your spirit) the more you try to discover the best (IMO) can only come. If you die beaten and sick, spirit weak then I can't see how whatever next will be any better then what you had now.
When you trace back the origins of Religion you start to see that it started as a way for humans to try and explain how this "spirit/energy" was. It is something that is to big for humans to ever understand but the truth that it exists is to great to ignore. To me personally a humans life goal is to try and figure out what their spirit is and how it fits into the big picture of it all, you have to look inside and outwards, take good and bad, you can't pick or choose or shape it to whatever image you like. The modern person focuses on shaping a false sense of whom they are and they deviate to much from their natural spirit and start to get sick.
Your energy and all of our energy passes through everything, we are supposed to keep this balance to ensure we are healthy and continue to evolve and grow. Your energy once you pass will be decided, but as a matter of faith (not in a religion, text, law, but faith in energy and your spirit) the more you try to discover the best (IMO) can only come. If you die beaten and sick, spirit weak then I can't see how whatever next will be any better then what you had now.
your sense of consciousness is a brain function. when brain function stops, so does that part of the brain. theres no reason to think that any part of your consciousness would remain
I'm a firm believer that for the most part, we're just fixed points of consciousness. Little flashlights running around looking at shit and interacting with shit. When the body dies, so does the consciousness.
That said, I've had enough mystical moments in my life to know that there's something out there, some unifying force, "The Great Magnet" if you will. There's something about certain mystical experiences that feel so familiar, when you experience them you think, "I knew this was out there somewhere, I was just waiting for it to happen."
I don't have an explanation for it.
That said, I've had enough mystical moments in my life to know that there's something out there, some unifying force, "The Great Magnet" if you will. There's something about certain mystical experiences that feel so familiar, when you experience them you think, "I knew this was out there somewhere, I was just waiting for it to happen."
I don't have an explanation for it.
Kingsley Davis
Ostrich
A wise man once said that you ought not fear death but fear not living.
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Your body is a electro transmitter like every other thing on this earth and thus energy passes through like through every other thing on this earth and like every other thing on this earth this energy is regulated from the magnetic forces stemming from the earth which thus gets it from the galaxy.
Your thoughts are literally powered via the outside world. The fallacy is that humans are in control of the majority of their thought process when in fact it is very little.
If the inner parts of one's self dictated one's self then the inner workings that make us would not be empty.
As a "Social Engineer" I will be "trained" to control every aspect of a humans everyday life. The "freedom" you perceive to have everyday are pre-described movements dictated by your (built) environment. Many people do not know what true "Freedom" is as it takes a deep awakening to find this which is far beyond levels that many are capable or willing to go to. Your Environment controls 60-70% of you, the human is not as strong as he perceives but understanding this is where true power comes from.
The power of energy is real as it is documented in history as civilizations whom never had any contact with each other had similar rituals and built similar objects such as Pyramids. From Bosnia, Mexico, Sudan, Egypt, China, and fuking Illinois USA all have Pyramid type creations. How could such remote and far away people all be on the same wavelength to build structures that followed similar if not incidental divine measurements and building patterns?
Your bodies weakest energy points will signal where it will fail first. Its energy points is where it sources energy from the forces present on the globe. They key is balance and to strength up these points so you can evolve and grow - If you don't you simply remain static or degrade. Your become weak and your cells start to dysfunction once levels are out of wack.
The fault of the modern person is that we have created false entities of whom we perceive are selves to be. We project a false sense of self which has no reality and no base in the real functioning world.
The Universe is its own conciseness of self, and you, me are barley even a blip. Your physical mind unchaining from it in Death has no impact. The elements that powered and fed your mind continue to live on and so do you.
Lesson one in the lesson of energy and your true self:
Elliot Husle on True strength of the body and how it comes from many sources and that your "physical" source is very insignificant. Your mind is considerably more powerful and important:
Physically, life is a march towards death. Every minute that you are alive is a minute spent dying. I think that a more practical way is to define death is as the sensation of having meaning stripped away.
From this perspective, the word death has more use than just the end of one's life. People can die many times over in their lives. Endings can make things seem meaningless. A breakup can be an echo of the pain of being born and being separated from your mother. Sex can be seen as an attempt to reconnect- When you have your dick in a girl, your are physically occupying the same space with a woman again. Becoming one with the womanimal. Then you push her away to regain your integrity as an individual.
But the act of dying as I'm defining it can be fun as well. Blowing your load is the end of the game. It is a death. All that work that you did to get the girl loses it's meaning. She's meaningless now and you want to be alone in your bed.
To live joyfully is to have a meaningful interaction with the world. When you are depressed, the world loses a lot meaning for an extended period of time.
From this perspective, the word death has more use than just the end of one's life. People can die many times over in their lives. Endings can make things seem meaningless. A breakup can be an echo of the pain of being born and being separated from your mother. Sex can be seen as an attempt to reconnect- When you have your dick in a girl, your are physically occupying the same space with a woman again. Becoming one with the womanimal. Then you push her away to regain your integrity as an individual.
But the act of dying as I'm defining it can be fun as well. Blowing your load is the end of the game. It is a death. All that work that you did to get the girl loses it's meaning. She's meaningless now and you want to be alone in your bed.
To live joyfully is to have a meaningful interaction with the world. When you are depressed, the world loses a lot meaning for an extended period of time.
kosko said:The power of energy is real as it is documented in history as civilizations whom never had any contact with each other had similar rituals and built similar objects such as Pyramids. From Bosnia, Mexico, Sudan, Egypt, China, and fuking Illinois USA all have Pyramid type creations. How could such remote and far away people all be on the same wavelength to build structures that followed similar if not incidental divine measurements and building patterns?
There is an alternate explanation beyond that a transcendental spiritual force. Namely that of biology. We know that neurological differences can produce profound differences in the thinking patterns of men and women, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise if our brain chemistry pre-disposed us to certain shapes.
Of course, another alternate explanation is that from an architectural standpoint, there are only so many designs that don't implode in on themselves. Now back before the days of concrete and steel girders, I imagine that supporting a very tall structure was a very difficult proposition, hence the broad based pyramid.
Acute Angle
Woodpecker
I read a few of those reincarnation books a few years ago and found them fairly convincing, but now I'm not so sure.
Scientists' examinations and explanations of consciousness are becoming much more detailed and nuanced. For example, it's really easy with camera trickery to convince someone that their self is outside of their body, or that someone else's body part is their own. See BBC Horizon "The Secret You" and "Out of Control" (torrents available). I think those programmes are pretty convincing evidence that the brain can cook up all sorts of weird subjective experiences, some of which we may interpret as 'proof' of an afterlife. Also New Scientist 23 February 2013 has a special article on the Self and it's illusory qualities.
For my part, I've been an atheist, then agnostic, but now tending back towards atheism. I have no fear of death at all in my conscious mind (though my subconscious will no doubt struggle to prolong life at all times) - I just fear the potentially painful transition.
I'm going to write a blog post soon about the Self. What I've seen recently is that the Self is very manipulable and I shouldn't be so attached to some brain-constructed notion of who I am. There's nothing significant about me, outside of my mind, so I can just play with my Self (haha, not in THAT way!). It's quite a relief.
Scientists' examinations and explanations of consciousness are becoming much more detailed and nuanced. For example, it's really easy with camera trickery to convince someone that their self is outside of their body, or that someone else's body part is their own. See BBC Horizon "The Secret You" and "Out of Control" (torrents available). I think those programmes are pretty convincing evidence that the brain can cook up all sorts of weird subjective experiences, some of which we may interpret as 'proof' of an afterlife. Also New Scientist 23 February 2013 has a special article on the Self and it's illusory qualities.
For my part, I've been an atheist, then agnostic, but now tending back towards atheism. I have no fear of death at all in my conscious mind (though my subconscious will no doubt struggle to prolong life at all times) - I just fear the potentially painful transition.
I'm going to write a blog post soon about the Self. What I've seen recently is that the Self is very manipulable and I shouldn't be so attached to some brain-constructed notion of who I am. There's nothing significant about me, outside of my mind, so I can just play with my Self (haha, not in THAT way!). It's quite a relief.
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