Defeating Islam Megathread

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
That's not a direct quote. I should be more clear.

Spooner said of the US Constitution:

But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.

I'm not a libertarian anymore but in terms of accepting reality I found it an extremely interesting point of view and have since adapted it as an acid test for whether something is true or whether I simply want it to be true.

Hence my personal bastardization of it in the previous post. A thing is what it is and delivers what it delivers. Christianity has been gutted by the globojewish cartels and regardless of whether we think that's good or fair it's a fact. Even if we hit the reset button then the same story would simply play out over and over again, the reason being when you combine an open universalist faith with a peoples inclined toward empathy and good-will then they will inevitably be raped by hostile parasitic subversives. It's as inevitable as the sun rising and setting. Regardless of what we want to believe, "either Christianity has brought us to where we are now or been powerless to prevent it".

The last hundred years especially has shown us that any form of politics or national policy must lean heavily towards exclusivity and much like the Jewish that exclusivity must be baked into the core of that foundation such that to extricate it would be to destroy everything upon which it was built.

Christianity does not offer this exclusivity. Even among the orthodox there is little appetite to turn away a million Somalians who simply make the right noises about conversion for as long as it takes to gain citizenship in that country. The orthodox are the strongest shield in the Christian shield wall and even they are apparently powerless to do much but attempt to close their gates and weather the storm, which will see them end up much like the Ukranians under the Holmodor.

And what will they say as they're being rounded up? "If God wills it, I meet Him with a clear conscience and penitence in my heart".

I remain unconvinced of any system of ideology being capable of protecting most whites from their own stupidity but I absolutely understand why many are turning back to paganism. At least it venerates the survival of the bloodline even if by accepting the law of the jungle.

Moreover I have come to accept that the only reason Christian armies ever held or retook their lands in the past was because the elites driving them were local elites acting in their own local interests. Christianity may have given war a sheen of spiritual legitimacy but to suggest that Christ and those who came after him would have headed a ten-thousand man army marching to sack cities and kill the invading hordes by the thousand is fanciful at best.

The reason Christianity has collapsed as a bulwark against foreign invasion is simple.

The elites are no longer local but global, so instead of calling to local Christianity and local Christians to fight off the foreign elites attempting to take their wealth, they only see Christians now as an impediment to further their agendas. That is to say if back during the crusades the European elites got a better offer from Islam then we'd either never have been born or we'd be speaking arabic at best.

Christianity in and of itself has little to no defence against direct attack and replacement or rapid subversion. Any defence or restoration of Western nations will go around Christianity or trample over the top of it. It's already clear that the vast majority of Christian institutions support globalism without reservation and that their flock are either fully supportive or unwilling to rock the boat in relevant numbers. Of the tiny number of institutions that resist globalism none appear willing take the measures necessary to win.

It is what it is.
 

Oberrheiner

 
Banned
Leonard D Neubache said:
I remain unconvinced of any system of ideology being capable of protecting most whites from their own stupidity

The question is why would you want to do this ?
Is it only because they look like you ?
Or is there something deeper than that ?

Also just to be clear I'm not saying you shouldn't, to me the closer you are to me genetically the higher my interest to keep you alive instead of the other guy(s).
It's just that not many here seem to think like that (I mean purely darwinistically), so what's your reason ?

Also that's a general question to everyone, it's not directed exclusively at you Leonard.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Because whites create high trust societies where people can study cures for diseases instead of spending their time covering their windows in iron bars, and they can create incredible music and works of art instead of having to figure out how they can kill the clan down the street before said clan kills them first.

When I talk about white stupidity I should be more specific in calling it white interracial naivete. The same good-will projection that allows us to believe we can leave our home for more than five minutes without our neighbor robbing us is the same good-will projection that causes us to accept the flooding of our nations with people who will rob us on the presumption (also self projected) that we will treat them the way they intend to treat us.

Projection is a true bitch. Look at America as the first and foremost example. The ones who commit the most interracial hatecrimes cry the loudest that they're on the verge of being lynched on every block. The (((ones))) that hollow out society the hardest and attack the heritage whites cry the loudest that they're on the verge of being impoverished and demoted to second class citizens.

Mark my words. When America is 60% latino and the latinos are sucking white wealth dry via socialism they will be crying the loudest that whites are robbing the system blind.

Meanwhile racially naive whites will still be projecting their own good-will and insisting that this is all just a terrible misunderstanding, and if people only look at the facts then we can all get along.

That's the stupidity I'm referring to.
 

TigerMandingo

 
Banned
Lenny, whites are naive but they are also big-time hedonists and materialists, at least white Americans are. Give em a big house, a shiny new HDTV, a refrigerator that also fondles your balls and you won't hear a peep from them.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
I don't find that trait to be lacking in many other races though. There are some races that resist the urge to rest on their laurels more than others but overall I would say that sloth when the opportunity to presents itself to be slothful is typical of humanity in general.
 

TigerMandingo

 
Banned
True. Although to take the example of the Japanese, they do care quite a bit about preserving their culture, history and traditions, despite being tech zombies. Yet here we are looking on as the left tears down historical monuments, derides and criticizes whites almost daily, but it's all OK because there are 300 channels on cable and mini-marts are open 24/7.

It's been nothing but concessions and weak will since the 1960s.
 

Oberrheiner

 
Banned
Leonard D Neubache said:
Because whites create high trust societies

Some are.
I have the feeling it's an ever smaller percentage though.
Sometimes I wonder whether the west's problems are not simply because we don't have a critical mass of such people anymore.

But ok, I was thinking about another kind of stupidity so that's maybe a bit off-topic.
 

Oberrheiner

 
Banned
Not sure if serious .. ?

In any case we can't just leave you like that, so here is the president of the swiss islamic central council, a redhead convert :)

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Dr Mantis Toboggan

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
Pride male said:
I don't think I have ever seen a white male Muslim in my life.

:huh:

Converts aside (and the fact that Arabs and Turks are as white as Greeks/Italians/etc), there's Bosnians as well as people from places like Dagestan and Chechnya who are literally Caucasian in the truest sense of the word.

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sterling_archer

Hummingbird
Pride male said:
I don't think I have ever seen a white male Muslim in my life.

Like Mantis mentions above, Bosnians are best example. Those who have clear Croat and Serb ancestry (who converted) are indistinguishable from any Croat or Serb. But there are those on the "brownish" side, which are of course result of Ottomans mixing with Serbs and Croats.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
You also have a lot of Russian Muslims, some Turkic, but others also pure Caucasian, like the Circassians, who are actually from the Caucasus area:

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In the middle ages, the Arabs were very active in trading with the nordic Rus along northern river routes. The Vikings and Rus might have converted en masse to Islam, if it weren't for the alcohol prohibition, which was a deal breaker. Tribes in southwestern Russia like the Circassians did convert though.

My most recent read is a travelogue by an Arab historian, which is one of the best accounts of Viking and Rus culture ever written, interesting read for anyone into medieval history, the Vikings and other nations like the Khazars, Magyars or Boughars:

In 922 AD, an Arab envoy from Baghdad named Ibn Fadlan encountered a party of Viking traders on the upper reaches of the Volga River. In his subsequent report on his mission he gave a meticulous and astonishingly objective description of Viking customs, dress, table manners, religion and sexual practices, as well as the only eyewitness account ever written of a Viking ship cremation.

Between the ninth and fourteenth centuries, Arab travellers such as Ibn Fadlan journeyed widely and frequently into the far north, crossing territories that now include Russia, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. Their fascinating accounts describe how the numerous tribes and peoples they encountered traded furs, paid tribute and waged wars.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0140455078/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://archive.org/details/IbnFadl...abTravellersInTheFarNorthPenguinClassicsCopie
 

Oberrheiner

 
Banned
911 said:
My most recent read is a travelogue by an Arab historian, which is one of the best accounts of Viking and Rus culture ever written, interesting read for anyone into medieval history, the Vikings and other nations like the Khazars, Magyars or Boughars:

This sounds extremely interesting, however how can we be sure it's legitimate ?
Those people have had a culture of "arrangements" with the truth since even before the quran :(
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Oberrheiner said:
911 said:
My most recent read is a travelogue by an Arab historian, which is one of the best accounts of Viking and Rus culture ever written, interesting read for anyone into medieval history, the Vikings and other nations like the Khazars, Magyars or Boughars:

This sounds extremely interesting, however how can we be sure it's legitimate ?
Those people have had a culture of "arrangements" with the truth since even before the quran :(

This is a 10th century work, so it doesn't have the loaded modern clash of civilizations political bias that you find in many 20th century works or more recent sources. This book was the first hand observations and travelogue of a diplomat/geographer, a bit similar to Marco Polo's work but it was more of a sober professional scouting report than a sensationalized travelogue. It contains some unique information, like the detailed description of a norse ship burial ceremony, which is supposedly the only recorded first-hand account of that practice.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
sterling_archer said:
Main character from 13th warrior is based on Ibn Fadlan.

Apparently it's based on a Michael Crichton novel, will have to check it out:



There are a lot of details from the Fadlan travelogue that were picked up in the Vikings series, like the heavy tatts, the sex slaves and so forth.
 

Oberrheiner

 
Banned
911 said:
This book was the first hand observations and travelogue of a diplomat/geographer, a bit similar to Marco Polo's work but it was more of a sober professional scouting report than a sensationalized travelogue.

Ok I'll put it in my list :) Thanks.
 

Ember

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
911 said:

sterling_archer said:
@911, what is the name of that work by Ibn Fadlan, how much pages there are?

911 linked to the books Sterling. 300 pages.

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In the video below one of our Moorish invaders brags and mentally masturbates at the visibly expanding caliphate taking over Britain. He's not wrong.

Texan below doesn't realise that 'human rights', the emancipation of women and their entry into politics is partly what has led to this invasion.

 

Pride male

Hummingbird
Dr Mantis Toboggan said:
Pride male said:
I don't think I have ever seen a white male Muslim in my life.

:huh:

Converts aside (and the fact that Arabs and Turks are as white as Greeks/Italians/etc), there's Bosnians as well as people from places like Dagestan and Chechnya who are literally Caucasian in the truest sense of the word.

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bosnia.jpg


The only guy who looks white there is Kadyrov, and even he doesnt look 100% white.
 
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