An article on Return of Kings, a PUA website, calls MGTOW "The creeping cult of male loserdom" and goes on to disparage the community.
"As it exists now, MGTOW has become a lonely hearts' club for the refuse of the male species," wrote Matt Forney, the article's author. "Not only are most Virgins Going Their Own Way personally repellent losers, their 'philosophy' is completely wrongheaded."
It's because they are losers who would rather bitch, complain, and ultimately do nothing. They're the male version of fat chicks who pretend that being single beats the dating game, as if they had a choice in the first place.manly5000 said:
if you have truly "gone your own way" you don't need to stand on top of the highest building in society and yell it to the masses that you have.manly5000 said:
Vanguard said:I hadn't heard of them before starting this thread, but after doing some reading, I think I somewhat understand what they're trying to do and why it's so harmful.manly5000 said:
It appears they believe feminism has destroyed the entire female race and that it's impossible for a man to have a relationship with one. Because of this, they advocate for all men to end their relationships and become social exiles. Eventually, to the point where men should quit their jobs and stop interacting with anyone but MGTOW. Basically meaning that men, would essentially become outcasts of society and ideally abort any attempt at restoring the degenerate culture of the west.
At its core, it almost seems like a troll job created by a bunch feminists aimed at ending any influence men ever had, so that feminism can run rampant and unchecked.
AnonymousBosch said:This is getting back to my point about choosing your allies wisely.
Any time Alpha Men gather into tribes that have the perception of being an Outlaw Culture - bikers; ex-military men; hardcore bodybuilders; players - they will target the attention of weaker Beta men who want to possess the cachet of belonging to that tribe without earning it.
So whilst my natural instinct when in proximity to a gang is to hang back and let myself be observed, judged, and, if respected, invited in, these guys tend to kick the door in, try to force everyone to like them, have their own ideas about what the tribe should be, and generally behaviour in a manner suggesting an exaggerated version of what they believe the tribe is.
Wannabes. Try-hards. Guys with experience in these sort of groups will know what I mean. These are the guys whom always cause trouble for the tribe; who shine an unwanted spotlight on their activities; whom always escalate bad situations forcing the tribe to act to protect them, whilst, conversely, having zero loyalty to the tribe when the repercussions of their actions threaten their own safety. Basically, they're bitches and snitches.
This Bullshit Magnet ability is the danger of Paper Alphas to any tribe, and why we're lucky he wasn't part of ours.
manly5000 said:Interesting... honestly I think there are a ton of misconceptions on both sides of the fence here. I like both communities, relate to both communities, and am more or less a part of both communities, but both seem hell-bent on trashing the other at every possible turn so it's really fucking hard for me to watch.
The truth is that both communities are pretty much fighting for the same cause. Most of the guys I see on the MGTOW forums have been royally fucking burned by a horrible divorce and have had their lives destroyed, which is why they want nothing to do with women or relationships. Alot of them still game and bang though. Only "ghosts" avoid anything to do with women or people.
Really anyone who is saying "fuck off" to the standard societal role for men and doing their own thing is a MGTOW.
The shaming language you guys throw at each other makes me cringe. So many things are arrayed against men as a whole these days that the different communities need to nix this pissy petty fighting shit and start working together.