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RE: Feminism Prompts MGTOW Group To Stop Dating Women

Easy_C said:
ManVsMachine said:
Flame bait? Cute quote, but doesn't work here. The notion that some intangible "masculine energy" is "depleted" from masturbation has been disproven by science time and time again (sources cited in article):
Step 1: Go to the lifestyle sub forum.

Step 2: Read the "nofap" thread and look at the results other dudes have had as soon as they stopped masturbating.

So, YMMV. Gotcha. For me, my peak hunting range is 3-6 days after, no more, no less. Irrelevant.


This is where things get amusing:
Easy_C said:
There are minimal benefits to abstinence (complete abstinence):
http://examine.com/faq/does-ejaculation-...ne-levels/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
But those effects drop off after a period of time (note acute as opposed to chronic abstinence)
You're setting up a convenient strawman founded in a false dilemma fallacy.

No, your options are not just complete abstinence or masturbation. You'd know better than that from experience if you had the discipline to quit jacking off.

Ok, its clear you didn't read the links I provided, nor did you read my post, because they do not paint the situation as being "black or white." In fact, "false dilemma fallacy" couldn't be further from the truth. Testosterone, which, I'm led to believe is a fundamental element of your abstract concept of "masculine energy", is in a state of flux. I even provided an NIH study which concluded that testosterone levels increase after an acute period of abstinence.

If you find "masculine energy" to be something else, clarify it. Latin only shows me you know how to read Wikipedia.

A false dilemma fallacy is defined as: "A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option. The opposite of this fallacy is argument to moderation."


Not only is your Latin scarcely applicable, but also consider the fact that man's relationship with his testosterone is far more complex than to be painted black or white - which my sources have validated.



Moreover, the "strawman" claim is completely wrong. You claimed the following:
, but to ensure that male sexual energy is wasted and dissipated....hence the reason they've been pushing pornography and male masturbation aids.

It's about disempowering males, because every example in history of an effective rebellion was the result of alpha males banding together when the time was right. When you feminize the males, depriving them of their aggression and getting them to deplete their masculine energy into a napkin(or a fleshlight, or a sexbot) you make them more submissive and ensure that they will embrace their role as slaves.

So no. Expect the elite to embrace the spread of sexbots and help it along.

Your main assertion is that depleting "masculine energy" into a napkin, you make them more submissive. Their[the "elites"] goal is to feminize the males to avoid rebellion, No?


My entire post, above, argues against this concept of a loss of masculine energy. And I didn't disagree that reducing male power is a goal - we present two different implementations as such. It is equally a "false dilemma fallacy" to believe that men with sexbots will relegate themselves to a basement 24/7.


If you're going to throw around logical fallacies, use them appropriately. It also helps to provide substance to your post.



And this is where things get hilarious:
Easy_C said:
Ah, a reductio ab Rooshum. Roosh "is with me" therefore it must be true. Unfortunately...... we must be reading a different article.

Why would men be thirsty if their sexual energy is depleted in a napkin? Did you even read Roosh's assertions here? I quote:
The reason should be clear: porn is creating the thirst.
He argues:
1) Men are so desperate for sex in the current sexual market that they are seeking lower quality women (irrelevant with a sexbot).
2) The countless hours of video porn men watch create a demand for fast, and easy sex (contrary to your argument).
3) Regularly beating off to girls performing slutty acts will cause you seek out the low-quality women who can provide you with the sex you watch, lowering your standards

Oh wait.....
This is why male thirst is getting worse every year, and the arrival of virtual porn or sex bots will not at all reduce the thirst problem like many believe, but actually increase it.

With that sexual energy they supposedly lost in a napkin?
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Easy_C

Crow
RE: Feminism Prompts MGTOW Group To Stop Dating Women

Your main assertion is that depleting "masculine energy" into a napkin, you make them more submissive. Their[the "elites"] goal is to feminize the males to avoid rebellion, No?
That is a...what do we call it? Entirely missing the point. You've mistaken the specific for the general. Men being hooked on masturbation and porn is only one of many ways to keep a population submissive. Drugs, excessive availability of alcohol, destruction of the family, etc. all go along with it.

So you tell me? Is a man who goes home and self satisfies with a sexbot more or less likely to challenge the bully mob of SJWs(aka useful idiots) than someone who isn't?


With that sexual energy they supposedly lost in a napkin?
and THAT is what we call missing the point.

Ah, a reductio ab Rooshum. Roosh "is with me" therefore it must be true. Unfortunately...... we must be reading a different article.

Why would men be thirsty if their sexual energy is depleted in a napkin? Did you even read Roosh's assertions here? I quote:
Of course I did. You're deliberately obfuscating one of Roosh's most important points that he has made repeatedly since getting into the business: that a thirsty man is the exact opposite of an Alpha Male. With relatively few exceptions thirsty men are not the ones getting laid. They're the idiots and manginas who are like the poor fool I saw today that was the only man sitting in on a "women of ****" event being held out in the plaza.

And again, here's the main point: are men who are cooped up in their basements living off of porn and sexpots much of a threat to the establishment's power?




So for you personally, it looks like I've struck a nerve. You might wanna look deep inside and ask WHY you get so easily butthurt and lash out like a woman when someone criticizes masturbation.

My guess?

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RE: Feminism Prompts MGTOW Group To Stop Dating Women

I understand about the reasons a guy in cities such as Toronto would "give up on dating women", but I do get worried when guys say that "all women are the same". Sometimes, I had to tell guys just visit Mexico or move out from whatever feminist hellhole you are residing at, and notice the difference.

One guy actually made the decision to leave his gynocentric suburban area to stay in Mexico, and the results he had was a huge improvement in his life.
 

rpg

Ostrich
RE: Feminism Prompts MGTOW Group To Stop Dating Women

Feminism wants most men to go gay. MGTOW is half way down that path. Fuck that!
I work with a ton of women, more than probably most men. Given that, I have made a few observations. The truly ardent feminists are few and easily spotted and heard from a distance. Stay the fuck away from them at all costs. Most women are beta bitch sheep following the herd. No clue what they are doing and wonder why their lives are shit. You have to be able to size them up and adjust your interaction to profit from it. THAT is where this forum and the manosphere comes in. It has saved my ass every day.
I work with 2 newlywed women and they resent the fuck out of their beta husbands. These NEWLYWEDS are already flirting with other guys and heading for disaster. The redpill would have armed these new husbands if they were exposed and had enough time to internalize it.
Every guy with time should be in the clubs on a weekly basis scoping the scene and maximizing opportunities. Cultural recon. It is war guys! Stay sharp.
Never check out.
 

Kizman

Robin
RE: Feminism Prompts MGTOW Group To Stop Dating Women

I spent a lot of time on the MGTOW forums last yr, but I learnt more from RVF about self-improvement in a shorter time period than on MGTOW. I have nothing against them because their not my enemies, but it gets depressing after a while reading the same ol' "fuck society" theme that seems to be common there.

Like QC said earlier, it's very easy to get stuck into self-defeating attitude with all the anti-male propaganda in the west.. and a lot of males can't get their shit together. RVF has helped me take more initiative in my life, and I'm grateful I found this site.
 
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