Demons and nightmares

basedgm

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere. I just wanted to vocalize a phenomena I have observed in my own life. Whenever I have a frightening nightmare that I wake up from suddenly I look about my room and am surrounded by what look like demons faces. After a few seconds they slowly morph into the natural shapes of the furniture physically present in my room. Has anyone else experienced this? This has happened all my life but now that I'm getting deeper into the faith it makes perfect sense nightmares can be caused or at least influenced by demons.
 

TrainedLogosmotion

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
This phenomenon has been happening for ages. 'Sleep paralysis' and 'UFO abduction/visitation' etc is just DEMONS. It's a semantic difference of the modern era - a category error.

When I was deep in sin I experienced these things (Especially when I was using drugs and opening doors I shouldn't have through experience).

I was even thrown off of my bed before. I know what you are experiencing is a real psychic phenomenon.

Say the Jesus prayer. Play hymns before sleep to have that in your mind. Put icons in your room. It's a spiritual battle that you can absolutely win through the power of our Lord.

See Saint Seraphim Rose's writings in "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future" and also "The UFO Deception" by Father Spyridon Bailey.

Demons seek to confuse, perplex, baffle, and deceive you in nonsensical anomalous ways with no logical explanation like you stated (Inanimate objects morphing into beings and receding).

Many schizophrenics are talking to demons. They don't need psychiatrists they need preists.

When we succumb to this state of astonishment we are susceptible and vulnerable to their suggestion and manipulation.

This is not from God. Fight.

 
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Robin
Orthodox
This phenomenon has been happening for ages. 'Sleep paralysis' and 'UFO abduction/visitation' etc is just DEMONS. It's a semantic difference of the modern era - a category error.

When I was deep in sin I experienced these things (Especially when I was using drugs and opening doors I shouldn't have through experience).

I was even thrown off of my bed before. I know what you are experiencing is a real psychic phenomenon.

Say the Jesus prayer. Play hymns before sleep to have that in your mind. Put icons in your room. It's a spiritual battle that you can absolutely win through the power of our Lord.

See Saint Seraphim Rose's writings in "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future" and also "The UFO Deception" by Father Spyridon Bailey.

Demons seek to confuse, perplex, baffle, and deceive you in nonsensical anomalous ways with no logical explanation like you stated (Inanimate objects morphing into beings and receding).

Many schizophrenics are talking to demons. They don't need psychiatrists they need preists.

When we succumb to this state of astonishment we are susceptible and vulnerable to their suggestion and manipulation.

This is not from God. Fight.


Uhh... Not to derail the topic or anything, but...

Thrown off your bed?!

I'm no stranger to drugs, myself. Or feelings brought on by demons but that?
I'd like to hear that story.
 

Nordic_Spirit

Chicken
Other Christian
I used to have those experiences, but they gradually faded after I cleaned up my lifestyle. Fornicating with promiscuous women and frequenting dens of ill repute were the primary sources of the demon attachments, in my opinion.

It's a very frightening experience, so you have my sympathy.

Interesting to note the link with 'aliens', as these visions occasionally presented as the culturally conditioned perception of 'aliens...' more often though, phantoms, ghosts and demons were the form the visions typically comprised.
 

Road2Damascus

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
I used to have those experiences, but they gradually faded after I cleaned up my lifestyle. Fornicating with promiscuous women and frequenting dens of ill repute were the primary sources of the demon attachments, in my opinion.

It's a very frightening experience, so you have my sympathy.

Interesting to note the link with 'aliens', as these visions occasionally presented as the culturally conditioned perception of 'aliens...' more often though, phantoms, ghosts and demons were the form the visions typically comprised.

Strangely I have had the opposite experience. When living in sin and fornicating and visiting dens of ill repute, I slept like a baby.
It was only when I stopped and attempted to stop this behavior that the demonic attachments manifested and attacked at night.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
St. Paisios has taught that we sometimes give "rights" to demons to mess with us in strong ways. Have you ever dabbled in the occult/psychics/mediums/fortune-telling? Are you engaged in serious sins? Don't need to answer here but it may be worth doing an evaluation of your spiritual life and see if you opened the doors, so to speak, to demonic entities.
 

TrainedLogosmotion

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Uhh... Not to derail the topic or anything, but...

Thrown off your bed?!

I'm no stranger to drugs, myself. Or feelings brought on by demons but that?
I'd like to hear that story.
I'm not proud of this time in my life.

Years ago during Songkran (Thai pagan water festival), I was deep into drug and alcohol binging and revelry at and around Bangla Road, Phuket. Daily blackout excursions to clubs and gogos. Hanging out at hooker and ladyboy bars (My old friend was into trans men, not me).

I was having horrible nightmares and sleep paralysis every night. Strange 'poltergeist' activity also. Keep in mind that the things I'm about to describe did not happen when I was blacked out but after, that's why I can remember them. They happened when I was coming down/withdrawing from the booze and pills.

One night I experienced a total mental breakdown, completely convinced that I was being watched/mocked by some type of entity/presence. Was it the government? Were their cameras in my room? I was tearing open the ceiling and the moldings from the walls and crying hysterically. My friend thought I was a schizo (He had just finished medical school to become a psychiatrist). I'm not though. I don't have any mental disorders that would cause this to happen.

So on one of these nights in our hellhole brothel of a hotel, amongst the screeching of cracked out Thai succubi of the night arguing with their johns and slamming doors, I suffered this referred to 'sleep paralysis' episode.

Lying there in the dark in my pagan upholstered room, unable to move, feeling like I was suffocating, I heard growling, and hovering over me was some type of horrifying 'monster'. As this was happening I was suddenly jolted off the bed. Like I was electrocuted. I felt like something literally threw me off onto the floor. I was really truly physically on the floor after this. This wasn't purely nonphysical.

I finally snapped out of the paralysis and realized I was being attacked by a demon. It started to click that this must be what was happening and being surrounded by nasty sinful behavior was opening occultic doors. I was pretty shooken up by it and told my friend the next day.

This experience was real. It was a psychic phenomenon for the most part. I'm sure if you were in the room you wouldn't have seen anything other than me flopping off the bed. Maybe it would have just appeared as if I rolled off the bed. I don't know. It didn't feel that way.

Calling it a 'hallucination' doesn't change the fact that it happened. Up to you whether or not you accept my story. Sure we could say it was drug induced. But drugs in my opinion are just opening doors to realms that are already there, hidden with a thin veil.

It's safe to say the Songkran festivities of sharing/spraying water did nothing to wash me clean of evil spirits. I was sloshing in Satanism.
 
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basedgm

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
St. Paisios has taught that we sometimes give "rights" to demons to mess with us in strong ways. Have you ever dabbled in the occult/psychics/mediums/fortune-telling? Are you engaged in serious sins? Don't need to answer here but it may be worth doing an evaluation of your spiritual life and see if you opened the doors, so to speak, to demonic entities.
From a young age I was addicted to adult content. It's no longer a problem for me but for a decade it was a habitual thing (as it was I suspect for anyone else raised as an atheist in the west). How would I go about closing such demonic doors?
 

Jaybosan

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
From a young age I was addicted to adult content. It's no longer a problem for me but for a decade it was a habitual thing (as it was I suspect for anyone else raised as an atheist in the west). How would I go about closing such demonic doors?
Not a direct answer, just a kind of observation from someone who has kicked it. Realizing through people like EMJ that it was a type of psychological warfare and that it was in fact demonic, that made it easier to stop.
Being on the other side now, I notice a lot of mass-produced content is designed to stir those passions. Even seemingly safe travel shows like Anthony Bourdain or dramas like Narcos I noticed had a lot of questionable content that I wouldn't be comfortable showing my mother. Just unnecessary sex scenes and nudity abounds popular entertainment today. Even pop music is incredibly explicit. Being aware of that can be useful.
 

TrainedLogosmotion

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
From a young age I was addicted to adult content. It's no longer a problem for me but for a decade it was a habitual thing (as it was I suspect for anyone else raised as an atheist in the west). How would I go about closing such demonic doors?
Maybe putting icons of our most pure Mother Mary on your computer/phone screens and in areas where you used to look at Satan's iconography would help. Use your phone/computer to make donations to charities involved in ending sex trafficking or banning pornography. Play hymns to Mary. Pray to Mary to intercede.
 

Prores

Robin
Orthodox
@TrainedLogosmotion it was very interesting to read your story of being attacked by a demon. I have experienced something similar to that before, it felt like I was being blasted with a wave of pure hatred. It's like something between electricity and a heart attack, like collimated anger as if the demon itself is mad at you and has "lost control" of itself, or you, or both.

From a young age I would habitually remove any phones, objects I could in my sleep mistake for phones, chairs, things like that next to my bed. Because I would wake up talking to someone on the phone, or someone sitting in the chair. My parents did drugs and were into new age things and I got into the occult ( go figure ) at 14 and these things continued thought a lot of my adult life until becoming a Christian.

As Roosh said, make sure you have not given them rights and stay far far away from any drugs- Adderall, benzos, anything like that.
 
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Robin
Orthodox
I'm not proud of this time in my life.
I don't think any of us who've chosen to gather here are proud about those times in our lives.
But drugs in my opinion are just opening doors to realms that are already there, hidden with a thin veil.
I used to think like this, but in a perverse way:
They 'psychedelics just reveal to you aspects of your psyche that's already there'.
I had what I thought were positive affirmations during psychedelic experiences due to such thoughts.
Turns out it was but a small enjoyment meant to distract me from truly spiritual pursuits.
I was sloshing in Satanism.
This is a really apt statement.


Wow... Just wow. I was not expecting such a story when I asked the question.

Thank you for sharing such profoundly frightening experiences with me (us here). I was honestly expecting some kindve scene in an apartment or college dorm, if you replied at all.
But whole worldwide travels to festivals (and in SE Asia no less? This seems to be the only place I can connect with fellow travelers to the Orient!)...
I'm glad such things eventually got you to turn to God.
And I hope you at least had some wholesome experiences in your travels!
 

Phronema

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Strangely I have had the opposite experience. When living in sin and fornicating and visiting dens of ill repute, I slept like a baby.
It was only when I stopped and attempted to stop this behavior that the demonic attachments manifested and attacked at night.

This happens to me as well. My baptismal cross snapped from my neck the night before divine liturgy the other week, in tandem with bad sleep and nightmares.
 

7-5

Robin
Orthodox
This happens to me as well. My baptismal cross snapped from my neck the night before divine liturgy the other week, in tandem with bad sleep and nightmares.
If you haven't already: try the Jesus prayer on a short prayer rope (or just repeat it a few times if you've none) whenever stuff like that happens.

Works for me whenever I get the willies.
 

Twigg

Sparrow
Orthodox
I’ve been dealing with this issue a lot recently. My spiritual father told me to spray my bed with holy water, and save the Jesus prayer as I fall asleep. But it hasn’t worked so far I guess it just takes time.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
This man fasted, prayer called on the name of Jesus and asked for God to send Angels to guard him:

All those prayers worked to force the demons to retreat. Although him asking for God to send Angels to guard him kept him from demonic attacks.
This isn't a Protestant forum. We don't promote Protestant practices here.

It's also common for demons to lay off and make you think you've defeated them, only to come back harder later. I don't know this man's case but the safest bet for people is to relay on practices as taught by the Orthodox Church and its clergy.
 
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