Demons Can Put Thoughts Into Your Mind

Gazza

Sparrow
"Can angels know what I'm thinking telepathically" - Aquinas says an angel (or demon) cannot read your mind against your will. It's not your mind, but your will that determines whether the angel (or demon) can read your thought. A devil cannot possess you or even understand what your thinking without you somehow giving consent. Angels can influence your imagination, but not your thought. Your thought which is controlled by your will, is your inner sanctuary, so when you pray to your guardian angel, whether verbally or nonverbally your opening the door of that inner sanctuary. Your guardian angels are perfect telepaths who know when you're doing that. And its the same with demons, you open your sanctuary if you are praying to them, if you consent to them.

The mind is incredibly complex as you've indicated in your article. I would also say, it's part of the reason pornography and watching inappropriate things is so destructive. The memory is tied to the imagination. It's as though you gave them consent into your memories which, I believe, they can potentially rekindle. Them influencing your imagination via memories is not giving consent or the same thing as praying and willingly opening yourself to them. In the past you may have unknowingly consented in some way or opened yourself up in some way, but if you've been to confession and renounced this then have faith in God.

"St. Thomas distinguishes two kinds of memory, sensory and intellectual. He excludes, however, from the former the function of merely storing up the mental image; this he assigns to imagination."

Sensory memory he assigns to the body; so think muscle memory. While Intellectual memory is tied to the abstract and universal. As far as the body is concerned and ridding yourself of the temporal / transitory sin attached to the body. Ascetic practices are efficacious because it purges sensory memory tied to the body. Prayer is efficacious because it purges intellectual memory tied to the abstract.

A good simple helpful way around this I was told, is to disregard the images or thoughts instantly if evil. Don't dwell on them or think about them. God doesn't want you to think evil things, and so evil ideas should be ignored and not given weight or merit.

Possession is rare as far as I know, but maybe it's more common than we realize. Diabolic oppression is most likely far more common. Being harassed by evil thoughts or spirts is going to happen if you're on the side of Christ. St Teresa of Avila considered them like flies, satan afterall is 'Lord of the Flies', and so if you have Christ and are doing the right things generally speaking you'll be 'fine'. It's when people engage in the occult and drugs and pornography and all the rest of it which destroys the body and soul. Demons do not attack a fortress if its already been captured and so oppression of some kind is probably inevitable at some point if you are on the right path, but I wouldn't 'overthink' it. It's easy to get carried away with ideas and let your imagination run wild.

I personally think everyone needs to purge themselves at some point and or go on some kind of pilgrimage, or retreat and fast and pray like Christ did in the desert for at least a month. Most people nowadays don't realize how much sin is in their homes and minds and lives. I would encourage everyone to find a good Priest or spiritual director and at very least devote a month or so to redirecting your entire life and mind back to God if you haven't already.

Anyways interesting article, thanks for sharing as always.
I've always believed that a true born again child of Christ cannot be possessed by a demon. They have been "sealed" by Gods blessed Holy Spirit. Oppressed, yes...... Possessed, no way.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
one minute before I saw this post, I read:



”Nor indeed can be...”

I have also been reading Romans, coincidentally (which is no coincidence at all, since they do not exist - in God, it's all synchronicity) and it popped into my mind while reading it that both instinct and reason were corrupted by the Fall, and our God-given intuition is the only thing that remained intact.

It seems to me one way of reading the Gospels that Christ resists both instinct (animal desires) and reason (pharisaic) and is all Intuition - hence speaking in parables, which are not reasoned arguments, nor do they answer to animal desires (like revolution), but are multilayered with meaning which can only be comprehended fully, not by the mind, but by this other thing which is deeper, intuition. He is also misunderstood all the time by both sides, the pharisaic reason and the animal instinct of the common people - 'what do you mean born-again?', 'what do you mean water of life?', 'should not this woman be stoned according to the law?' and so on. On the other hand, the intuition of the Roman soldier brings faith in Christ.

Now tradition is reason and intuition codified, but we don't have it anymore, for the most part. So we are in a very tricky situation and we need to trust now more than ever our God-given intuition, because there is for the majority of us, not much left as guidance.
 

Pantheon

Pigeon
There is actually a somewhat common phenomenon among Christians called religious OCD and scrupulosity where Christians get flooded by thoughts blaspheming God, particularly the Holy Spirit since that is an unforgivable sin according to the Bible.
This religious OCD is mostly prominent among protestants and liberal Catholics. It is a sickness that comes from puritanism, or repressing negative thoughts in order to hold on to the positive ones. This has the reverse effect of the negative thoughts taking hold of the subject unconsciously. The root cause is the protestant view of God and religiousity in entirely positive fideist terms, confusing mental and physical 'purity' with religious piety. Of course, this protestant spirit of not being able to face ones shadow and integrate it, breeds an obsessive spirit of forced positivity that has been transfered to the post-protestant secular west, still very much enmeshed in the same mentality.

The issue is of course not to have these thoughts, but not to become attached to them. Paradoxically, the puritan compulsion to get rid of them makes the thoughts become attached to the person instead.
 
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Rob Banks

Pelican
I have also been reading Romans, coincidentally (which is no coincidence at all, since they do not exist - in God, it's all synchronicity) and it popped into my mind while reading it that both instinct and reason were corrupted by the Fall, and our God-given intuition is the only thing that remained intact.

It seems to me one way of reading the Gospels that Christ resists both instinct (animal desires) and reason (pharisaic) and is all Intuition - hence speaking in parables, which are not reasoned arguments, nor do they answer to animal desires (like revolution), but are multilayered with meaning which can only be comprehended fully, not by the mind, but by this other thing which is deeper, intuition. He is also misunderstood all the time by both sides, the pharisaic reason and the animal instinct of the common people...
And today, we worship reason, which ultimately leads to worship of sensuality and animal desires. Intuition is no longer valued (unless its conclusions support the interests of the System).
 

messaggera

Woodpecker
Woman
A good simple helpful way around this I was told, is to disregard the images or thoughts instantly if evil. Don't dwell on them or think about them. God doesn't want you to think evil things, and so evil ideas should be ignored and not given weight or merit.

Sincere tone:

How to you disregard years of mental images that have been part of career field experiences (40 years)?
The saved (and not saved) victims images are constantly in the mind playing over and over.
It hits hard when someone in this type of field tells you, in conversation about the 2nd amendment, "If people knew what type of evil exists in the world there would be no discussions about disarming citizens."

What do(es) religion(s) say about those who try to escape pain and depression with suicide? Is there no hope for him to be with his Creator?
 

Chi-Rho

Pigeon
Sincere tone:

How to you disregard years of mental images that have been part of career field experiences (40 years)?
The saved (and not saved) victims images are constantly in the mind playing over and over.
It hits hard when someone in this type of field tells you, in conversation about the 2nd amendment, "If people knew what type of evil exists in the world there would be no discussions about disarming citizens."

What do(es) religion(s) say about those who try to escape pain and depression with suicide? Is there no hope for him to be with his Creator?
Matthew 19:25-26
[25] And when they had heard this, the disciples wondered very much, saying: Who then can be saved?
[26] And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible.

To answer your questions - "How do you disregard years of mental images that have been part of career field experiences (40 years)?" - Prayer, fasting, alms giving. Don't believe me, try it for 6 months to a year and trust me you'll be different. The amount of 'time' which has passed is irrelevant to God, if you believe.

What do(es) religion(s) say about those who try to escape pain and depression with suicide? - You mean they 'try' to escape, or have committed suicide? Big difference obviously. I would say believe it or not, but Jesus doesn't 'lie' when He speaks, in fact, His words are greater than nature itself. If He say's,"all things are possible [with God]", then all things are possible. So, while obviously mortal sins cast yourself into hell, I error on (not the side of mercy or justice - because I'm neither the Creator nor his messenger) but I error on the side of God making His own determination who is saved and who isn't; even with everything He's told us we can infer, but it is not our place. Consider this aspect for a moment...

God could've let you go immediately to hell after your first mortal sin, He'de be completly justified in doing so. And yet He gave repentance for a reason. God's mercy is beyond human comprehension. In His divine justice He's more than justified to let you fall into hell after just your first mortal sin. And yet He does the opposite, He goes with you all the way to the edge of hell, and as your falling in He still asks for your hand and as your feet are in the fire He's still asking and will try to hold on. It is us who throw ourselves into hell, not Him. And so if you want His mercy, it's always there and always has been. People misunderstand their freewill and the weight of their personal descisions.
 
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Chi-Rho

Pigeon
I've always believed that a true born again child of Christ cannot be possessed by a demon. They have been "sealed" by Gods blessed Holy Spirit. Oppressed, yes...... Possessed, no way.
No, you can definitly lose your soul if you're putting God to the test. Baptism and being 'sealed' alone does not save you. In a certain sense you could say 'everyone' is 'possessed' to a certain extent. For the flesh is at war with the mind.
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Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our LORD! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
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No one is so 'good' as to say they cannot become 'possessed', all the more when their flesh serves the law of sin.
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Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
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Baptism is obviously a prereq, but it's not the finals, it's just the admissions test. You haven't even started school yet.
 
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Aboulia

Woodpecker
Does that mean that blasphemers that repent wont get to heaven?

The only unforgivable sin is unrepentance. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. If you consistently fight against and deny what is true and good until your death. Then you shall not be accepted, and wouldn't want to be accepted, for you wouldn't accept truth

I'm going to be the black sheep that goes against the grain here, I was tired of all the thumbs ups here anyway.

Whilst I have nothing against a Christian seeing the thoughts they consider to be immoral as influence from the Devil, I do take leave when the conversation naturally progresses and people begin deciding to decipher their thoughts between Holy and Evil. The path of discernment is one that should be undertaken with a guide, rather than alone fumbling for objectivity in the darkness of quasi-subjectivity.

I for one, appreciate your input. Honest questioning shouldn't be condemned.

Do you believe in whether or not actions can be good or evil? If you believe there is neither good, not evil, then I can do nothing to convince you. If you do however, believe in good/evil, then some actions must be better than other actions. (and I believe you do, for you wouldn't attempt to criticize otherwise), and in order to do anything at all, you must agree that it must be better to do an action, than to not do it. Otherwise, you fall into the belief that humans must be irrational, which brings into question why we have the capability to reason at all. And if you do believe men are irrational, why bring up/argue a position at all? (Keep in mind I'm not talking about the average person walking around today, they are more beast-like than human, humans were meant to be rational, not according to self-interest, but to the mind of God, for we were meant to be caretakers of the world.)


What if a thought was just a thought and didn't have any higher reasoning beyond electrical neurons doing the jive? How would it effect your faith?

Electrons may do their thing, the physical mechanism of how our body operates doesn't affect faith at all. The reason why "electrical neurons do the jive" is far more important. Same goes for "sin" as the reason a person committed an act is more important than the act itself.

Filtering all of your thoughts through a good and bad/ devil vs holy schematic feels good for most people that turn from sin, it feels like you have control.

Maybe the initial turn gives you the feeling of control. The more you try, and the deeper you look, the more you find lacking. If you think you have total control over yourself, I doubt you're a Christian.

The problem is that most people that travel down this path without guidance will apply the subjective lens of morality to their life whilst still trying to flagellate themselves for what they consider to be objectively pernicious acts.

The first problem anyone who's spent more than a weekend at an old-school Catholic church will tell you is the people that follow this path tend to come to a lazy understanding of the world where those things to which they cannot expend intellectual energy to understand become demonic.

We must also ask ourselves if it is normal within a healthy perspective of faith to aim for a goal in which the only thoughts you have are those you consider that your perception of God would consider to be pure.

Paradoxically it sounds rather unhealthy to expend your energy on ensuring all of your neurons are firing only in the way that you have deemed God wants for you.

If you accept the notion that thoughts are quintessentially electrical pulses that fire to a particular stimuli then it stands to reason that any thought has travelled through it's network and connected with historical references that are connected to the environmental stimuli.

Interestingly the most prevalent comment people are saying in this thread, the 'suicide thought' has been used for various cults because of the emotional aspect that comes with it, sprinkle in some perversion of S.Freud and you can more or less make your subjects do as you please.

The scientific reason that most people get intrusive thoughts about killing another person or jumping from a bridge has been extensively researched on the back of mental health conditions of the obsessive and compulsive type and the findings are really quite contradictory to what most people think.

I can't speak for the Catholics, I'm Orthodox, but you can't really criticise a religion for some people being lazy, and especially for the average person, for narrow is the gate, and difficult is the way, and there are few that find it. As Orthodox, we don't aim for every thought to be pure. We will be assaulted by demons our whole life provided we try to walk the path to salvation, we were warned, and if you're never assaulted with thoughts, you should be concerned, for you may not be paying enough attention. Life is a matter of discerning, and choosing the better path according the mind of God.

I would suggest that it is quite normal to size up an unknown man when you are alone in the dark with him. In an evolutionary sense you are seeing if this person has the capacity to harm you, and in response you are asking yourself if you could defend yourself against the attack, and the thought pops up in your head that you could, if you wanted to kill him - affirming that you probably have the physical prowess.

An interesting fact about about people with obsessive-intrusive disorders is that they often top the charts for never acting out on these obsessive thoughts, outside of suicide, and tend to rank higher in levels of compassion and empathy, presumably because of the repulsion of imagining themselves carrying out immoral acts against themselves or others.

Is that not a pertinent point? The religious community would have considered anyone brave enough to admit that they were having reoccurring thoughts about doing bad things as demonic, and yet factual evidence shows that these people are actually more empathetic and caring then community control groups.

We also know that disorders involving intrusive thoughts are the side effect of issues within the brain as well as socio-psychological problems rather than anything as exciting as demonic possession.

You may not understand the language, but once you understand the terms it makes sense. For something to be demonic, it must lead away from God, for all demons hate God. This is why "bad thoughts" are "demonic" , for these "bad thoughts" to be truly bad, it must put something of it's proper place, and do damage to himself/others. The person himself is not demonic, each person is made in the image of God. The person himself is not evil. I can't stress that enough. He may have greatly diminished that image within him, but it's still there. Think of demons as vices, or as thoughts inciting people to vices. Demons can also be false beliefs, demonic possession can be something as simple as a person holding tightly to a false belief, the term ideology comes to mind. As the saying goes, people don't have ideas, ideas have people.

Personally, and here is where I will draw the most criticism, I have always been a fan of the early Buddhist thought leaders concept of intent. They too believe that a demon (Kali) can cause you to do bad things but they place a huge emphasis on the intent of the thought. True, The Chinese have a parable about the impurity of thought, but the other schools are in unison when it comes to intention and skillfull/unskillful over demonic, holy.

Buddhism understands that thoughts happen, both good and bad and that they come and go.

The freedom that Buddhists have in this regard allows them to acknowledge that their thoughts are influenced by their culture. Seminal writers like Thich Nhat Hanh give us much to learn about how our upbringing poisons our thoughts and I would say most people following that path get closer to what we would term morally 'good' than most who travel that path in the confines of Abrhamic religions without guidance.

Where as a Christian might call their sexual desires the devil in disguise, the Buddhist would note that the origins of these acts is found from the information that has been taken in about them and has grown from a seed into a bad tree.

If you do not place a high emphasis on them then the (potential) powers that influence them cease to have any hold.

There's quite a few similarities here, although there is one major difference. The demons don't make you do bad things. In the Christian conception your will is involved, you choose whether or not to do bad things, it may ingrained in you through your upbringing, character, or family history, but somewhere there was a conscious decision for evil.

Ancestral sin in it's Orthodox conception also covers the very thing you talk about. We inherit the consequences of sin from our ancestors, and by extension our upbringing and culture (not the guilt for the initial fall, that's a Roman Catholic thing).

We may agree on the nature of sin too, it starts as a thought, grows as you entertain the thought, and in the end, if you keep entertaining that thought, it may enter the world, once sin enters the world, it produces death.

If you accept that at anyone point you might have a bad thought and you quietly dismiss it then the electrical impulses that caused it die. If you continue to connect with the a higher meaning then the electrical impulses grow, prompting your brain to deliver you the same response to stimuli again and again.

The end of this path is grey, dull and lifeless, the kind of people that self flagellate to anything that might be considered fun. All travel is bad, all laughter and childish fun is immoral, impish laughter is a sign of the devil and milk in your tea might as well be spit in the eye of God.

I think this is one of those cases where it is best to take acknowledge that we are imperfect humans, and whilst we do strive to be perfect for the Lord, there is a fine line between progress of the soul and fetishization of morality.
Laughter is subversive, but neither good or evil. Travel is not necessarily evil either, so I'm really unsure where you're going with this. Unless it's to say that if your religion/system belief is sucking all joy out of life, it's the wrong path, which I'd agree with.
 

Chi-Rho

Pigeon
The person himself is not evil.
Well he's not 'good' either....
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Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
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So what is he then by your estmation?

If you consider the 'person' as not evil as you said, yet Jesus say's he's 'not good', then what is he?

The demons don't make you do bad things. In the Christian conception your will is involved, you choose whether or not to do bad things
It's both. Demon's most definitly exist and can influence. You're correct in that you choose with the freedom of your will, but dmeonic ideas are not imaginary nothings. If you meant in the literal sense that they don't 'literally' move your body, this is incorrect also as noted in people becoming possessed.

The person himself is not demonic, each person is made in the image of God.
Simply being made in the image of God it does not follow that they are not possibly 'demonic' as well. Sin still exists within us for flesh tied to sin. All things God made are good, but sin comes from the hearts of men:
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Mark 7:20-23 He went on: "What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come-sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and defile a person."
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If God never wanted His image tarnished, He would have never allowed it to be tarnished in the first place, but He gave humanity a huge responsiability and freewill and we screwed up, plain and simple. To say we are not demonic to an extent is to say we do not have sin. It does not mean we are 'possessed', it means we are not tied to God, we are tied to our flesh, which is the law of sin, in this life of course. Believing in the ressurection of the dead, your flesh will no longer be corrupt.

Spirits influence you as well:
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Ephesians 6:12: 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Chi-Rho

Pigeon
The only unforgivable sin is unrepentance.
It's a sin against the Holy Ghost. But yeah you got it.
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Matthew 12:32
[31] Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
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It means our rejection - to the means - of repentance and conversion. The Holy Ghost convicts the world of sin. The only impediments to that arise from our own freewill.

The means God offers us to repentance and conversion ...
St. Thomas says and I'm paraphrasing:

  1. Two aspects of Judgement - the reality of the truth of God's judgment makes us refrain from sinning by the virtue of Hope - the sin against this which would cut us off from the possibilty of mercy is despair. God alone is good, God's love is the cause of our goodness. God creates goodness in us by His love. There's never a reason to despair as long as we are humble. He is infinte mercy and infinte justice. God gives us mercy to accomplish His justice.
  2. Two aspects of Gifts - The acknowledgment of truth and resistence of the known truth. The assistance of inward grace - which is needed because of spiritual envy, of say anothers own Holiness; its a blasphemy aganst the Holy Ghost because it divides,"were all to be equal".
  3. Nature of Sin itself - The inorderedness and shamefullness of the act should be enough to keep you from sinning. Sins of the flesh. The disgrace and shame of sins and when a person feels shame and yet they say they won't change. Also the smallness or brevity of the good: men who harden their purpose by clinging to sin. A stubborn horse rushing to battle.
At the end of the day were simply creatures, we need to preserve a sense of horror for sin. When you lose your sense of shame, when you become obstinate, it's not that God can't forgive any sin, it's because were choosing not to be forgiven. A soul harden in this way St. Thomas says it would be a miracle to redeam them. But don't despair, there's always time to repent and convert. If you're alive, then there's time.
 

Aboulia

Woodpecker
Well he's not 'good' either....
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Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
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So what is he then by your estmation?

If you consider the 'person' as not evil as you said, yet Jesus say's he's 'not good', then what is he?


It's both. Demon's most definitly exist and can influence. You're correct in that you choose with the freedom of your will, but dmeonic ideas are not imaginary nothings. If you meant in the literal sense that they don't 'literally' move your body, this is incorrect also as noted in people becoming possessed.


Simply being made in the image of God it does not follow that they are not possibly 'demonic' as well. Sin still exists within us for flesh tied to sin. All things God made are good, but sin comes from the hearts of men:
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Mark 7:20-23 He went on: "What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come-sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and defile a person."
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If God never wanted His image tarnished, He would have never allowed it to be tarnished in the first place, but He gave humanity a huge responsiability and freewill and we screwed up, plain and simple. To say we are not demonic to an extent is to say we do not have sin. It does not mean we are 'possessed', it means we are not tied to God, we are tied to our flesh, which is the law of sin, in this life of course. Believing in the ressurection of the dead, your flesh will no longer be corrupt.

Spirits influence you as well:
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Ephesians 6:12: 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Those 2 things were said in response to the statement "The religious community would have considered anyone brave enough to admit that they were having reoccurring thoughts about doing bad things as demonic", the first statement is a rejection of the idea that simply having bad thoughts must make a person demonic, for sin is something alien to us. It's outside our nature. Our first parents invited it in, and damaged our nature, which inclines us to evil, but we are neither perfectly good, nor unredeemably evil, for why else would God try us in this life?

Which is consistent with how Jesus Christ while being God, claimed that he wasn't good while on earth. For the trial of his human nature was not finished. How else could God, the author of goodness, not be good, unless he was referring to his human nature he took on, for at that point he hadn't finished his work on earth.
 

Chi-Rho

Pigeon
Those 2 things were said in response to the statement "The religious community would have considered anyone brave enough to admit that they were having reoccurring thoughts about doing bad things as demonic", the first statement is a rejection of the idea that simply having bad thoughts must make a person demonic, for sin is something alien to us. It's outside our nature. Our first parents invited it in, and damaged our nature, which inclines us to evil, but we are neither perfectly good, nor unredeemably evil, for why else would God try us in this life?

Which is consistent with how Jesus Christ while being God, claimed that he wasn't good while on earth. For the trial of his human nature was not finished. How else could God, the author of goodness, not be good, unless he was referring to his human nature he took on, for at that point he hadn't finished his work on earth.
Fair enough. I see your point but I don't wanna get into some pedantic argunment right now, maybe I'll revist it at another time. I don't nessecarrily disagree or agree, anyways.
 
I see a demon as a demon of failure that is created in my brain when I miss the mark in some worldy way, like saying the wrong thing or even something serious like not getting that promotion at work. I obsess over this failure until I finally cast it away in disgust. My demons of failure can be created by being criticized by a peer or believing in some lie on the internet, The common feature is obsessing over it and not recognizing it as a creation by my own human mind. When my mind becomes cluttered with a multitude of these demons of failure I become paralyzed and unable to think creatively.

On the other hand, when i have a good experience, like having a nice conversation or hearing from the holy spirit, my mind creates a spirit of success. When my mind creates a spirit of success, I hold on to this spirit and meditate on it constantly in order to feel good.

It seems like in my world the way that it is, my mind creates 99 demons of failure for every one spirit of success. That is why a spirit of success is so valuable to me. I must always recognize when the demon of failure has been created from external sources so that I can cast it away leaving the space available for that sweet spirit of success. That is my will or what it seems to be to me.
 
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Gazza

Sparrow
No, you can definitly lose your soul if you're putting God to the test. Baptism and being 'sealed' alone does not save you. In a certain sense you could say 'everyone' is 'possessed' to a certain extent. For the flesh is at war with the mind.
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Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our LORD! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
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No one is so 'good' as to say they cannot become 'possessed', all the more when their flesh serves the law of sin.
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Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
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Baptism is obviously a prereq, but it's not the finals, it's just the admissions test. You haven't even started school yet.
May I suggest you read 1John 4:4, Ephesians 2:2, Colossians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 6:15, Ephesians 1:13-14, 1 Corinthians 6:19 and finally Romans 8:38-39 (all KJV). There is no example in scripture of a believer in Jesus Christ being demon possessed, all cases of demonic possession were with those who were unbelievers. Be careful not to rely on stories of believers and demon possession, many other explanations are possible. The Christian who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, should not fear demon possession. Having said that, demons do attack believers in various ways. Once again (in my humble opinion), oppressed yes.... possessed no. In peace, God bless.
 
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Scientists have spent decades trying to understand the brain, and while much has been gained about its neurochemical workings, most of that newfound knowledge has been harnessed by the elites to control our thoughts and behavior. We’re still no closer to understanding why we have consciousness or even why we dream. All the while, an important fact has been concealed from us as taught by the Orthodox Church: thoughts can be inserted into our minds by demons. In other words, the thoughts we have are not entirely our own.

The first time I went to church as a new convert, I assumed that the “house of God” would be void of any demonic influence. I could pass through the large wooden doors but the demons could not, as if I traversed over a magic portal, and experience a rest from evil subversion for as long as I was within the four walls of the church. You can surmise that I was more than surprised when disgusting thoughts still found a way into my mind. Later, I learned that even a priest can be serving the will of Satan within a church.

I realized that, outside of heaven, nowhere is safe from evil. That got me wondering about the mechanism of demonic power. I understand they can put thoughts into my mind, but the biologist in me wanted to know how.

When you receive a fright, your body responds nearly instantaneously. Someone scared you and then your heart immediately started racing and your senses sharpened to evaluate the unknown threat. I’m sure it also has happened where you received bad news and felt a physical response the very next moment. For demons to effectively influence us, I believe they can respond to one of our perceptions in a near-instantaneous manner. For example, if I lay eyes on a sexy woman, a demon may then be able to insert a sexual thought into my mind that leads to lust and the corresponding physiological response. I don’t have any proof that this is true, only the understanding that if there was a lag between your perceptions and demonic influence, their power would be greatly diminished, if not outright trivial. They must be able to act quickly on the stimulus we perceive in the environment, fast enough for us to conclude that it is ourselves who have created the thought and not an external source, for the more we believe a thought came from our own brains, the more trust we have in it.

When I was in Texas, I visited a state park at night to observe bats. I stayed late enough that I was alone with the park guide. As he was explaining to me the biology of bats, which I was genuinely interested in, a thought entered my mind: “I could kill him right now and nobody would know.” I was taken aback. I’m not a violent man and don’t fantasize about harming people, even my enemies, so where did this thought come from? A scientist would say that it’s my limbic system or “lizard brain” acting up, but I believe it was a demon trying to disturb my faith. While I get less of these types of thoughts now, once in a while something truly vile and repugnant enters my mind even though it had nothing to do with my most recent thinking or behavior.



I wonder if the demons have access to a type of neural superhighway that is similar to a telephone system. Without having to be beside us, they can dial the right “number” and essentially have a level of access to our brains, both our perceptions and the ability to insert sinful thoughts that we believe come from our own flesh. On the bright side, angels must have this power too, meaning they can insert encouraging or spiritual thoughts. Instead of glancing at a provocative woman and lusting after her, an angel can remind me to pray and focus away from the temptation. Instead of feeling guilty over a sin to the point of despondency and hopelessness, an angel can help me re-orient towards Lord Jesus Christ and focus on his mercy.

God has allowed external creatures to manipulate our thoughts for His own reasons, but we are still free in deciding how to act on those thoughts. The demons can pollute the river, but they can’t make us swim in it. It’s only when we desire to do what they are telling us that we get into trouble.

I don’t trust my own thoughts anymore, especially when they try to thrust me into the pleasures and degradations of this world. When such a thought enters my brain, I hold it up to God’s standards. Does it go against what Lord Jesus or the Apostolic Church taught? Does it conflict with the Church Fathers? Is it bothering my conscious in a way that I can only feel but not explain? Then it’s probably something sent into me from the spirit of darkness. I will ignore it, carry on, and remain diligent until their power over my mind comes to an end with the conclusion of this earthly life.

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The impulsivity and addictive behavior that people engage in today is caused by anti-androgens polluting the environment.

Anti-androgens such as BPA, phtalates, and parabens can lower testosterone levels and elevate the stress hormone cortisol which can damage the pre-frontal cortex which is responsible for decision making and concentration, the hippocampus which is responsible for memory and learning, the amygdala which is responsible for impulse control and creativity, and the cerebellum which is responsible for motor skills and reflexes.

This is why the Leftist companies keep pushing for these substances to be used in products so that the inhibitory effect of testosterone can be removed and the cortisol can lower people's intelligence and make them impulsive so that they would give in to evil temptations.

The following is a list of anti-androgens that need to be avoided:

Anti-Androgenic Food Chemicals:


Estrogen - from factory farmed meat, eggs, and milk
Xenoestrogens - from soy
Myco-Estrogens - found in grains and Quorn
Goitrogenic Compounds - from soy and kale
Gluten - from grains
Rice Bran - from whole grain rice
Coumestan - from beans and legumes
Polyunsaturated Fat - from soy oil, corn oil, sunflower oil, canola oil and some nuts
Trans Fat - from partially hydrogenated oil used in the cooking of junk food, fast food, canned food, processed food, packed food, and cured meats
Caffeine - from coffee, tea and other caffinated products
Alcohol - both drinking and rubbing alcohol
Mint - from toothpaste, candy, and other mint products
Excitotoxins - added to junk food, fast food, canned food, processed food, and packed food
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)
Monopotassium Glutamate
Monoammonium Glutamate
Magnesium Diglutamate
Glycyrrhizin (in licorice)
Aspartame
Sucralose
Neotame
Carrageenan
Alitame
Thaumatin

Anti-Androgenic Chemicals:

BPA - from plastics
Parabens - from hygiene, cosmetic products and sunscreens
Phtalates - from hygiene, cosmetic products, sunscreens and air fresheners
Benzophenones - from suncreens and other cosmetic products
Triclosan - from antibacterial soaps, lotions, and hand sanitizers
Triclocarban - from antibacterial soaps, lotions, and hand sanitizers
Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs) - from traces of phased out lubricants found in various products especially in seafood and fish oils
Chlorine - from running water and chlorinated swimming pools
Fluoride - from toothpaste
Pesticides - Glyphosate, Vinclozolin, Atrazine, and many many other herbicides, pesticides, and insecticides have been extensively studied for their antiandrogenic effects especially the atrazine used on sugarcane plants because it contaminates the sugar
Chlorpyrifos - found in insect repellants and fumigants

Anti-Androgenic Drugs:

Psychiatric Drugs: antipsychotics and antidepressants
Anti-Inflammatory Steroids
Anabolic Steroids
Non-Steroidal Antiandrogens
GnRH Antagonists: all estrogens, premarin, cetrorelix, and progesterone
Antihypertensive Drugs: central alpha-agonists and beta blockers
Diuretics
Sulfonylurea
Spironolactone
NSAIDs: such as ibuprofen, and paracetamol
Antacid: Cimetidine
Opioids
Antihistamines
Acne Drugs
Cough Relievers
Statins and other anti-cholesterol drugs
Anti-Hair Loss Drugs
Anti-Fungal Drugs: ketoconazole

Anti-Androgenic Supplements:

Soy protein isolate
Licorice
Hemp, flax, and chia seeds
Green tea catechins
Chaste tree (vitex angus)
Reishi mushroom
Fenugreek
Saw palmetto
Bitter melon
White peony
Red clover
ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione)

The following substances also need to be avoided to prevent the swelling of the prostate which can increase the urge to ejaculate:

Alcohol
Spicy Food
Sour Food
Chocolate
Beans
Dairy Products
Garlic

The following substances can cause diuresis which can result in dehydration and lower electrolyte levels by causing excessive urination and this can impair cognitive function because the loss of electrolytes can cause neurons to misfire:

Caffeine
Ginger
Oatmeal
Coconut
 

Peter22

Pigeon
While the designation "demon" may appear foreign to mundane thinking, the subject addresses something that I find very interesting, important, and, actually, hardly seriously discussed and understood:

Where do thoughts come from?

Now, I have an opinion on this and will mention it below but what I really wanted to impart is how I dealt with thoughts: I had a phase in my life where I was pondering very much over philosophical, spiritual, religious questions and, like so many, I drilled myself deeper and deeper into complicated, desperate constructions because there seems to be no end if you continue to ask: why, what´s the reason for that, and the reason for that reason, and so on; it wasn´t OCD but still very uncomfortable. Then I read about meditation and tried that and I can tell you: I failed terribly at the attempt to not think! Very very frustrating ! I felt like a total failure. Then I saw an offer for a (free) meditation course, and there I got the advice that I wanted to impart here because over all the years and decades I found this among the few that work (for me): don´t give energy into thoughts. Sounds simple, no... but a)it works like a charm, and b) never would I have come myself to that idea ! I was hugely happy and thankful for this advice, and still am. The other advice that I consider as working well, and is of-course kind-of similar to the first one, is: be the observer; thoughts are allowed to be, allowed to exist, but don´t engage, don´t be attached, just let them be, but don´t care.

So with these tips, I was able to let go of the permanent stream of thoughts and am now (self-assessment) at a level where I am more immediately experiencing.

So experience what? I could say "God" to be in line with the forum but to be honest, I call it the "It". The "It" is that which is there when I myself do nothing; because I found that when I try to do nothing, there is still very well something in my head ! That which is there, I call the "It": and I therefore consider the "It" as the cause of thoughts that come into my head. I don´t know what the "It" is... but I don´t have to care about that. So to my initial question, Where do thoughts come from, my answer (at this point in my life) would be: from the "It". But I think it quite possible that I will at some time experience something different that may be more of what one would call "God". I just go by what I experience... so far I experience an "It", maybe some time later I will experience "God".

In any case: I was given advice of how to deal with OCD-like thinking, and... boy that was important, a huge huge help in my life ! I was desperate, and that advice made a huge difference for me.
So maybe this helps one or the other here (but not quite sure because I guess the forum is in the paradigm of christian religion, and I suppose that that which I say is not really part of that paradigm. But since it was so most helpful to me, and I would never have come to that idea on my own, I thought that I would share this tip ! ).
 
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GodfatherPartTwo

Woodpecker
There is actually a somewhat common phenomenon among Christians called religious OCD and scrupulosity where Christians get flooded by thoughts blaspheming God, particularly the Holy Spirit since that is an unforgivable sin according to the Bible.

Unfortunately this is what I experience on a daily basis. But I have become able to distinguish between my own conscious thoughts and demonic thoughts. For one reason or another I've become a target of this kind of spiritual warfare.

The thoughts I get want me to:
- Blaspheme the Holy Spirit
- Deny, reject or leave Jesus Christ
- Hate God
- Love satan and worship him
- Do all manner of sins

But thanks to God I am able to resist these thoughts and temptations. However it can sometimes get exhausting.

There is one small comfort in these thoughts, it's that I am clearly still in Christ or otherwise why would the demons bother.
I've suffered from this since I was a kid. It came of great console to me that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit constitutes the continuing rejection of Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit serves to point us and to affirm us in Christ, not a slip of the tongue or mind.

Sometimes it goes away when I am strong in the Lord but the times when I am weak and try to do things by my own power is when it comes back to afflict me again.

If you haven't, look up the guy who wrote the hymn 'There is a Fountain Filled With Blood'. As he wrote it due to this very thing.
 

Steiner

Sparrow
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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Scientists have spent decades trying to understand the brain, and while much has been gained about its neurochemical workings, most of that newfound knowledge has been harnessed by the elites to control our thoughts and behavior. We’re still no closer to understanding why we have consciousness or even why we dream. All the while, an important fact has been concealed from us as taught by the Orthodox Church: thoughts can be inserted into our minds by demons. In other words, the thoughts we have are not entirely our own.

The first time I went to church as a new convert, I assumed that the “house of God” would be void of any demonic influence. I could pass through the large wooden doors but the demons could not, as if I traversed over a magic portal, and experience a rest from evil subversion for as long as I was within the four walls of the church. You can surmise that I was more than surprised when disgusting thoughts still found a way into my mind. Later, I learned that even a priest can be serving the will of Satan within a church.

I realized that, outside of heaven, nowhere is safe from evil. That got me wondering about the mechanism of demonic power. I understand they can put thoughts into my mind, but the biologist in me wanted to know how.

When you receive a fright, your body responds nearly instantaneously. Someone scared you and then your heart immediately started racing and your senses sharpened to evaluate the unknown threat. I’m sure it also has happened where you received bad news and felt a physical response the very next moment. For demons to effectively influence us, I believe they can respond to one of our perceptions in a near-instantaneous manner. For example, if I lay eyes on a sexy woman, a demon may then be able to insert a sexual thought into my mind that leads to lust and the corresponding physiological response. I don’t have any proof that this is true, only the understanding that if there was a lag between your perceptions and demonic influence, their power would be greatly diminished, if not outright trivial. They must be able to act quickly on the stimulus we perceive in the environment, fast enough for us to conclude that it is ourselves who have created the thought and not an external source, for the more we believe a thought came from our own brains, the more trust we have in it.

When I was in Texas, I visited a state park at night to observe bats. I stayed late enough that I was alone with the park guide. As he was explaining to me the biology of bats, which I was genuinely interested in, a thought entered my mind: “I could kill him right now and nobody would know.” I was taken aback. I’m not a violent man and don’t fantasize about harming people, even my enemies, so where did this thought come from? A scientist would say that it’s my limbic system or “lizard brain” acting up, but I believe it was a demon trying to disturb my faith. While I get less of these types of thoughts now, once in a while something truly vile and repugnant enters my mind even though it had nothing to do with my most recent thinking or behavior.



I wonder if the demons have access to a type of neural superhighway that is similar to a telephone system. Without having to be beside us, they can dial the right “number” and essentially have a level of access to our brains, both our perceptions and the ability to insert sinful thoughts that we believe come from our own flesh. On the bright side, angels must have this power too, meaning they can insert encouraging or spiritual thoughts. Instead of glancing at a provocative woman and lusting after her, an angel can remind me to pray and focus away from the temptation. Instead of feeling guilty over a sin to the point of despondency and hopelessness, an angel can help me re-orient towards Lord Jesus Christ and focus on his mercy.

God has allowed external creatures to manipulate our thoughts for His own reasons, but we are still free in deciding how to act on those thoughts. The demons can pollute the river, but they can’t make us swim in it. It’s only when we desire to do what they are telling us that we get into trouble.

I don’t trust my own thoughts anymore, especially when they try to thrust me into the pleasures and degradations of this world. When such a thought enters my brain, I hold it up to God’s standards. Does it go against what Lord Jesus or the Apostolic Church taught? Does it conflict with the Church Fathers? Is it bothering my conscious in a way that I can only feel but not explain? Then it’s probably something sent into me from the spirit of darkness. I will ignore it, carry on, and remain diligent until their power over my mind comes to an end with the conclusion of this earthly life.

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Roosh, a very interesting article that hearkens back to some of my earliest thoughts on the demons we are susceptible to.
I believe in the Catholic teachings - that sin opens us up to these demons, and that they may manifest in a myriad of ways. From terrible thoughts as you have detailed above, to full on possession. Possession could be it's own thread entirely, but once you realize the fact that people can be possessed, it explains many of the behaviors we see around us - in leftists especially.

Here is a link to an article written by one of the Catholic Churches most famous exorcists; food for thought. It may enlighten you further on the feelings you have detailed in your post.
https://catholicexchange.com/an-exorcist-explains-demonic-possession-and-vexation
 
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