Derek Chauvin Trial

Renzy

Pelican
I thought it might be worth creating a separate thread to chronicle Derek Chuavin's trial, which is scheduled to start next month. From a preparedness point of view, I think it's worth following closely as the potential fallout in the form of civil unrest, riots, etc. is going to be high imo. I don't think it's going to be the slam dunk case that a lot of people on the left are hoping for...


At the City’s request, Gov. Tim Walz has activated the Minnesota National Guard to provide public safety assistance to Minneapolis and Saint Paul during the upcoming trials of the former officers involved in the death of George Floyd. Crews have also started installing a security perimeter around the Hennepin County Government Center, City Hall and other nearby buildings in preparation for the trial. The perimeter will remain in place until the conclusion of the Chauvin trial.

 
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Renzy

Pelican
I saw the following comment on a recent article (reason.com) about Chauvin and thought it did a good job of summarizing a lot of points that I think the general public aren't really aware of. As in, I think a lot people just saw the video (which originally never showed the lead up), heard the media narrative.... and that was the extent of what they know about Floyd's death. So it's understandable why a large % of the public would conclude that it's an open and shut case.

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"The medical examiner wrote….wrote, for a jury to see…. that Floyd’s lungs were three times their normal weight from pulmonary edema, which means they were full of fluid to the point that Floyd could not breathe. This is how opioids often kill from significant overdoses. It is caused or exacerbated by congestive heart disease, which Floyd had. It is caused or exacerbated by stress, which Floyd had from being arrested and resisting. It is not caused by neck compression.

In addition, the medical examiner also wrote that he would have listed the cause of death as acute Fentanyl overdose based upon the autopsy, but changed it to murder after an illegal meeting with prosecutors who told him of the officers holding Floyd down. (This resulted in a very, very rare dismissal of the prosecution team from the case by the judge for prosecutorial misconduct… a fact which would also play into any appeal.)

Add in the fact that the MPD written procedures indicate to officers that they place combative suspects that are in medical distress into a prone position (onto their stomachs) with a knee onto the neck or back, until medics arrive….. written procedures which actually have an example image which looks exactly like what officers did with Floyd. This is supported in the video recorded by the witness in which officers discuss and confirm they are following procedure.

In the MPD training white papers on prone restraint, it even states that to untrained members of the public, this restraint technique, which is used specifically to provide minimum injury to the suspect, looks to laypeople like it is injuring someone, and to beware onlookers reaction. This is why Chauvin dismissed the witness complaint about how they were treating Floyd even though he was being taped. Remember, officers generally do not like to be video recorded. You can be sure that if Chauvin thought he was doing something wrong, he would have stopped it once he knew he was on camera.

You are free to go research this yourself, but these facts are not in dispute….the jury will hear them.

Based upon this, a jury may find Chauvin guilty, but any jury operating under ethical standards would not do so in a million years. There is enough direct evidence of reasonable doubt to drive a semi truck through, and further, the evidence points to Chauvin doing the right thing that he was literally trained to do, regardless of public ignorance on the subject."
 

bucky

Ostrich
Based upon this, a jury may find Chauvin guilty, but any jury operating under ethical standards would not do so in a million years. There is enough direct evidence of reasonable doubt to drive a semi truck through, and further, the evidence points to Chauvin doing the right thing that he was literally trained to do, regardless of public ignorance on the subject."
Have you guys seen the full footage of the twenty minutes or so before the knee to the neck? Floyd was clearly wasted out of his brain and resisting arrest. What were the cops supposed to do, just let him go in that state? He also says "I can't breathe" several times before the knee to the neck, supposedly a sign that he's already dying from a Fentanyl overdose.

I agree that any ethical jury wouldn't find Chauvin guilty and I hope he'll go free, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope.
 

Renzy

Pelican
Have you guys seen the full footage of the twenty minutes or so before the knee to the neck? Floyd was clearly wasted out of his brain and resisting arrest. What were the cops supposed to do, just let him go in that state? He also says "I can't breathe" several times before the knee to the neck, supposedly a sign that he's already dying from a Fentanyl overdose.
Yep, it got posted on the Race Riots thread back in August


He was high as a kite, the officers spent 10 minutes struggling trying to get him into the back of the car while he acted a like a lunatic and complained about not being able to breathe long before he was on the ground.

Unfortunately I think the vast majority of the public has only seen and heard the media's version of all this which is that a racist white cop murdered an innocent black man by cutting off his air supply with his knee. On video! Cue to the image of him kneeling on his neck. The end.

I agree that any ethical jury wouldn't find Chauvin guilty and I hope he'll go free, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope.

Convict him to appease the racial mob or get ready for round two of Burn, Loot, Murder..
 

C-Note

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I saw a report that the other three defendants have asked the presiding judge to dismiss their charges because the DA's office has leaked so much confidential information to the media. I don't know if that has much chance of success. One thing they did right was to get their clients' court cases scheduled for after Chauvin's is concluded, because if he is acquitted or convicted on only minor crimes, the charges against their clients will collapse.

If Chauvin's attorneys are able to show that the knee to the neck was a department-approved and trained technique for dealing with a violent drug addict (I don't know if it was), then Chauvin will be acquitted. That's how the Rodney King four got off.
 

fokm

Woodpecker
Gold Member
That's how the Rodney King four got off.
That's not the entire story.


Once stopped, King’s two (black) passengers exited the car and got on the ground, as instructed. They went home without a scratch that night.
That one paragraph -- I had never known there were other passengers at all until I read Ann Coulter's summary.

Given that other black people with King that night did as they were told and didn't have a scratch on them, and King kept attacking the officers, it's clear that there was no racial motives on the part of the cops AND their actions kept King alive, because the alternative was shooting him.
 

fokker

Ostrich
That's not the entire story.



That one paragraph -- I had never known there were other passengers at all until I read Ann Coulter's summary.

Given that other black people with King that night did as they were told and didn't have a scratch on them, and King kept attacking the officers, it's clear that there was no racial motives on the part of the cops AND their actions kept King alive, because the alternative was shooting him.
Never knew there were other passengers in King's car. Guess you learn something new every day.
 

bucky

Ostrich
Chauvin reportedly tried to cop a plea to 10 years and Bagpipin' Bill Barr vetoed it. Chauvin knows he can't get a fair trial. The days of juries looking dispassionately at evidence (like the Rodney King defendants) are long past. Everything's finklethinked.
It seems like yet another globohomo clownworld inversion to me, and a particularly insidious one. The petty criminal ex-con porn star who was trying to pass a counterfeit $20 and likely would have killed someone if he'd been allowed to drive as intoxicated as he was is the martyr and saint, not the cop who had no choice but to do what he had to to detain him and who's life is now over. I know Chauvin had some sketchy stuff in his past, but I feel very bad for him.
 

Renzy

Pelican
This attorney (licensed in VA and DC but not Minn) has written a whole series of articles, going back to last May, analyzing the George Floyd case.


In a sane society I would expect the mainstream media to be doing this sort of analysis, which he alludes to on his page:

Feel free to share this link to direct all of your friends to LITERALLY the only person on Planet Earth who seems to have reported on what I have written. (But based on my stats, I don’t think I’m the only person who is thinking this way!)

Makes you wonder about all the other pieces of information the MSM has left out when reporting on controversial topics in the past...
 

Renzy

Pelican
The public won't know who the jurors are - they are going to be anonymous and their names won't be on the public record.


Not surprising given that if Chauvin gets acquitted, or simply doesn't receive as harsh a sentence as people are hoping for, I could see a lot of rage being directed towards the jurors themselves.
 

The Prime Minister

Sparrow
Orthodox
You think so? You don't see a lot of people coming together to sing "Kumbaya" no matter what happens?

At the very least, it's not an election year, so the riots will likely only last a day or two.

If there are riots and civil unrest it will last very shortly, you're probably right about that.
 
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