Derek Chauvin Trial

Enoch

Ostrich
This attorney (licensed in VA and DC but not Minn) has written a whole series of articles, going back to last May, analyzing the George Floyd case.


In a sane society I would expect the mainstream media to be doing this sort of analysis, which he alludes to on his page:



Makes you wonder about all the other pieces of information the MSM has left out when reporting on controversial topics in the past...
I remember when all the news channels were playing the audio of Zimmerman saying Trayvon was black and cutting out that he was specifically asked the race of the suspect immediately before.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I'm watching this intently, as I live close to the Twin Cities metro (Wisconsin side). Had to move in with family for financial reasons due to the coof - sadly this isn't the best metro to be in these days, but I'm at least not in the city, for what that's worth.
 

fokm

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I'm wondering if the prosecution would have the balls to show that St. Floyd was doing porn on pornhub where he was likely on drugs, as well as bring up that Chauvin knew Floyd and thus very likely was aware of Floyd pointing a loaded gun at a pregnant woman.

In other words, not only did Chauvin follow all proper protocol, but he knew information this information about Floyd and thus knew that Floyd was a danger.

Prosecution may try to object based on relevance, but how could it not be relevant to Chauvin's defense?
 

Renzy

Pelican

With New Grand Jury, Justice Department Revives Investigation Into Death of George Floyd​



As the state murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the former officer charged in the death of George Floyd, approaches, the federal government has accelerated its own investigation.

A new federal grand jury has been empaneled in Minneapolis and the Justice Department has called new witnesses as part of its investigation of Derek Chauvin, the former police officer who will go on trial in state court next month on a murder charge for the death of George Floyd, according to two people with direct knowledge of the investigation.

The fresh slate of witnesses subpoenaed to give testimony about Mr. Chauvin is an early sign that the federal investigation into the death of Mr. Floyd, which began last year and then languished, is being reinvigorated under the administration of President Biden.

It is unlikely that the Justice Department, in presenting evidence to a new grand jury, is hoping for a quick indictment of Mr. Chauvin before his state trial, which is scheduled to begin March 8. But if there was an acquittal or a mistrial, attention would immediately shift to the federal investigation, and to whether Mr. Chauvin would face trial for violating Mr. Floyd’s civil rights.

As a new grand jury begins to hear more testimony in the case, the investigation has apparently narrowed to focus on Mr. Chauvin, rather than the three other former officers who face aiding and abetting charges, according to one of the people briefed on the matter, who was not authorized to comment publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Justice Department’s investigation into Mr. Chauvin is also shaping up as an early test for Mr. Biden, who has vowed to allow the department to operate independently of the White House.

Mr. Biden has said that Mr. Floyd’s death was an injustice born from America’s long history of racism. “The very soul of America is at stake,” he said in a speech soon after Mr. Floyd died. “We must commit as a nation to pursue justice with every ounce of our being.”

Having watched the whole bodycam video of Floyd's arrest and death, I never heard nor saw anything from the police officers to suggest it was racially motivated. For instance, I didn't hear them using racial slurs or make any reference to the fact that Floyd was black. Yet, it just seems to be accepted as a given that his race played apart in Chauvin's behavior but I'm curious as to how they could prove that.
 
The public won't know who the jurors are - they are going to be anonymous and their names won't be on the public record.


Not surprising given that if Chauvin gets acquitted, or simply doesn't receive as harsh a sentence as people are hoping for, I could see a lot of rage being directed towards the jurors themselves.
Yeah thats a star chamber and unheard of in American Jurisprudence as far as I am aware. It's an indication of the low social capital society we live in. But maybe it will redound to Chauvin's benefit since a juror might think he could depart from the herd without ruining his life and the life of his family.
 
The guy OD’d because (it looks like) he swallowed a bunch of drugs when he saw the cops. The video shows him claiming he couldn’t breathe minutes before he was even on the ground, and the original autopsy (before an activist was hired to make a different conclusion) showed that he died of pulmonary edema with lungs three times heavier than normal. Chauvin’s behavior had no direct effect on Floyd’s death, but given that James Fields got 400 years in prison they might put Chauvin away for life anyway. America is a joke country.
 

Dusty

Peacock
Gold Member
I forget who said this (maybe StyxHexenHammer?) but apparently in the twin cities force, kneeling on someone’s back/neck is a technique taught to subdue people.

That is, Chauvin is potentially being put away for using a nonlethal technique THAT HE WAS TAUGHT.
Yeah, I found the MPD training manual and provided a link somewhere in the forum back then, and it indeed described the neck kneel that Chauvin did as a safe restraining hold. Minneapolis has since taken down the link.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I do concede that Chauvin kneeling on him probably didn't help Floyd's situation much - but if you use a technique that's safe on healthy people, it shouldn't be your fault if something bad happens. (And Floyd appeared to be unwell mentally - but fine physically. Apparently that wasn't the case. Oh well.)
 
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GodfatherPartTwo

Woodpecker
I do concede that Chauvin kneeling on him probably didn't help Floyd's situation much - but if you use a technique that's safe on healthy people, it shouldn't be your fault if something bad happens. (And Floyd appeared to be unwell mentally - but fine physically. Apparently that wasn't the case. Oh well.)
It's more about the imagery. How dare the white pig put his knee on a black pillar of the community.

They couldn't have done a better photo op if they tried.
 

MajorStyles

Pelican
The average American now as the IQ of an eggplant (see the corona-vaccine situation). So the media will decide what they want based on their whims at that moment.

Given that Kamala Xiden is in office, I say that one of two things happen. Either Chauvin is sentenced to 6 million years based on minimal evidence. Or, he gets a light sentence but the story is obfuscated behind a series of twerking videos, King Kong versus Godzilla 32 ads, etc. The reason for the second is that they don't want people rioting, since it will destroy the idea that America is now better under Kamala Xiden.
 

GodfatherPartTwo

Woodpecker
The average American now as the IQ of an eggplant (see the corona-vaccine situation). So the media will decide what they want based on their whims at that moment.

Given that Kamala Xiden is in office, I say that one of two things happen. Either Chauvin is sentenced to 6 million years based on minimal evidence. Or, he gets a light sentence but the story is obfuscated behind a series of twerking videos, King Kong versus Godzilla 32 ads, etc. The reason for the second is that they don't want people rioting, since it will destroy the idea that America is now better under Kamala Xiden.
The latter is more likely. They give the cop a slap on the wrist to keep up the narrative that "we still have a lot of work to do." There will be no riots because Soros won't put it up as a $15/hr job opportunity. They'll wait till the rubes become complacent again and then you'll see another well-choreographed, well-videotaped event of a white cop killing a black man.
 

Enoch

Ostrich
I disagree. If Chauvin is let off or gets a light sentence, there will be riots. Whitey needs a constant reminder of what's in store.

You all are forgetting the demoralization factor. It's hugely at play.
I don't think the controllers want riots now. Biden was the "unity" candidate and they need to continue that narrative until the midterms at least. I'm predicting a heavy sentence for Chauvin.
 
Chauvin convicted: Bidens handlers pay off actors to pretend to be Trump supporters that incite violence at peaceful protests and rope them all into the same group like the clearly hired Viking guy.

Chauvin acquitted: BLM riots and Biden looks bad. The real question is... if hes acquitted is it because they WANT Biden to look bad so that a more sinister communist leader, chosen by his handlers, will replace him?
 
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Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
I'm not unreservedly pro-police. The way Derek Chauvin treated George Floyd was awful. Too many police officers like Chauvin let power get to their heads -- just look at the police's totalitarian handling of COVID-19 restrictions.

However, Chauvin will probably be acquitted. It's not clear that his aggression led to Floyd's death, beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

fokm

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I'm not unreservedly pro-police. The way Derek Chauvin treated George Floyd was awful.
I, like you, do not always take the side of the police.

That said, please elaborate on what Chauvin did that was so awful. I'm also wondering if you watched the entire video of the incident (before the knee was on the neck). Looking forward to what you say.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
I, like you, do not always take the side of the police.

That said, please elaborate on what Chauvin did that was so awful. I'm also wondering if you watched the entire video of the incident (before the knee was on the neck). Looking forward to what you say.

Floyd was arrested for passing a $20 counterfeit bill -- not that big of a deal.

Floyd didn't resist arrest, and there was no reason for Chauvin to use force on his neck (a move the police probably learned from the Israelis, as E. Michael Jones attests).

Making an excessive deal out of this situation, claiming that there is systemic police racism, and promoting BLM is evil -- but it's ridiculous to claim that Chauvin did nothing wrong.
 

Enoch

Ostrich
Floyd was arrested for passing a $20 counterfeit bill -- not that big of a deal.

Floyd didn't resist arrest, and there was no reason for Chauvin to use force on his neck (a move the police probably learned from the Israelis, as E. Michael Jones attests).

Making an excessive deal out of this situation, claiming that there is systemic police racism, and promoting BLM is evil -- but it's ridiculous to claim that Chauvin did nothing wrong.
You clearly haven't watched the video. I suggest you watch the body cam footage, which, conveniently, was released after BLM was told to settle down.
 
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