Did Stalin start WWII?

[cardguy]

@No6 - how does the US have control over German TV and education syllabuses.

Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting.

Also - Germany now run Europe - so they ultimately have done quite well since WWII.

 

[No Habit]

One thing that interest me is that if there is any group of Germans who are angry today of the post WW2 borders? I mean Germany lost a lot of territory to Poland which never been
Polish. Like Breslau (Wroclaw) for example. I have a hard time to believe all
Germans accepts this.

I like Germans, Germany and their history and I have met a lot of Germans but I very very rarely meet any Germans who are interested of discussing these things. They step out of the discussion as fast as they can. I'm curious to know how history is teached in German schools.
Sometimes it's forgotten that Germany and a lot of Germans were victims of the war also.

Never met anyone who complained about this.

Germans are conditioned to avoid that topic.

I don't know if it's conditioning. We have to watch all kinds of movies and visit a former deathcamp during our education. Even this thread makes me cringe a bit.

 

[Chaos]

It's interesting how countries choose to educate children in schools about war history.
It varies a lot.

Especially in Russia, Japan, Korea and obviously Germany and US also.

Even here in little Finland people see themselves as victims of WW2 and educating people to believe that USSR were the only aggressors. In the Winter War in 1939-1940 it's true.

But not in the Continuation War. It's rarely mentioned that Finland were indeed brothers in arms with Germany and attacked USSR together in the summer of 1941. ( Look the video of the conversation between Hitler and Marshalk Mannerheim earlier in the thread. Finnish Army went deep into Russian Karelia and occupied areas for three years that never been Finnish. They made concentration camps and divided people into Finnish/Karelian people and Russians. The official explanation is that Finland only wanted to take back areas which were lost in 1940, but Finnish Army went far beyond 1940 borders.

This is an example of what schools never learn out.

I guess every country want to picture themselves as the "good guys"

 

[N°6]

It's interesting how countries choose to educate children in schools about war history.
It varies a lot.

Especially in Russia, Japan, Korea and obviously Germany and US also.

Even here in little Finland people see themselves as victims of WW2 and educating people to believe that USSR were the only aggressors. In the Winter War in 1939-1940 it's true.

But not in the Continuation War. It's rarely mentioned that Finland were indeed brothers in arms with Germany and attacked USSR together in the summer of 1941. ( Look the video of the conversation between Hitler and Marshalk Mannerheim earlier in the thread. Finnish Army went deep into Russian Karelia and occupied areas for three years that never been Finnish. They made concentration camps and divided people into Finnish/Karelian people and Russians. The official explanation is that Finland only wanted to take back areas which were lost in 1940, but Finnish Army went far beyond 1940 borders.

This is an example of what schools never learn out.

I guess every country want to picture themselves as the "good guys"

With the USSR's attack on Finland, its conquest of the Baltic States, its annexation of a Romanian oil province, its manipulation of Yugoslav politics and the Communist revolutions inside Germany and Romania, I don't think that it was unreasonable of the Germans to feel threatened.

They'd more reason to be fearful of the USSR than Blair and Bush had of Iraq and its mythical weapons of mass destruction but the difference is that they were not defeated and the US and UK have tremendous influence over the UN.

However, it is a mystery as to why the Soviet-German pact was broken as it seems clear to me that basic American and British strategy post-Bismark's unification of Germany is to stop Russia and Germany from forming an alliance.

 

[N°6]

@No6 - how does the US have control over German TV and education syllabuses.

Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting.

Also - Germany now run Europe - so they ultimately have done quite well since WWII.

It was my German friend who mentioned this. He also said that Germany is still considered an enemy state of the UN (remember that its Western war was against the League of Nations which was born in Versailles) and that no peace treaty was made with the Allies.

I recently read in a book about Washington DC controlling German TV's content and that this arrangement would continue until the end of this century. I will find this book to check its references.

 

[cardguy]

I would love to see a reference for the book!

Sound like the sort of book I will check out.

 

[Truth Teller]

@No6 - how does the US have control over German TV and education syllabuses.

Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting.

Also - Germany now run Europe - so they ultimately have done quite well since WWII.

It was my German friend who mentioned this. He also said that Germany is still considered an enemy state of the UN (remember that its Western war was against the League of Nations which was born in Versailles) and that no peace treaty was made with the Allies.

I recently read in a book about Washington DC controlling German TV's content and that this arrangement would continue until the end of this century. I will find this book to check its references.

The League of Nations ceased to be a functioning organization in 1936. While several of the countries involved in World War II were members of the League, keep in mind that the United States never technically joined the League of Nations.