Did we land on the moon?

Do you believe that we landed on the moon?

  • Yes

    Votes: 81 51.6%
  • No

    Votes: 50 31.8%
  • Don't know / not sure

    Votes: 26 16.6%

  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .

prophet60091

 
Banned
Atheist
The main reason you should ignore the people who "debunk" the apollo missions is that, when these people lie or get things wrong, they don't take responsibility for it.

I'll give you an example from just a few posts ago in this very thread:

So, according to NASA, the moon goes from extreme cold to extreme heat. No inbetween.

Nope! NASA did NOT claim there is "no in-between"

You just made that up

"No in-between" is either a lie (that is to say, you realize NASA didn't claim that, but you're saying it anyway because it's necessary to support your claim about batteries) or it's an error (an honest mistake, but nonetheless something you made up, because NASA didn't say it). So which is it?

Now everyone take note of how Samseau responds

To everyone else, this is obvious. If the temperature of the surface of the moon reaches a minimum of -X at night, and rises to a maximum of +X during lunar day, then obviously, OBVIOUSLY, it rises from -X to +X over some number of hours after lunar sunrise. Obviously.

But Samseau said that NASA said there was "no in-between" - but NASA didn't say that.

The reason Samseau said that NASA said that, is that (he's claiming) batteries don't work at either -X or +X. So, for his argument to work at all he needs there to be "no in-between" - because if there is an in between (and obviously there is) then obviously, the missions took place in locations where the sun had only recently risen, and the temperature was still rising from -X to +X

So ... Samseau has been called out for either lying or just making an honest mistake. Watch how he responds. See if he takes responsibility and retracts what he said.

Matthew 7:16 - "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

What Samseau said is not true. "Bad fruit" as the bible would say. Watch how he responds now.
 

typtre

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
To everyone else, this is obvious. If the temperature of the surface of the moon reaches a minimum of -X at night, and rises to a maximum of +X during lunar day, then obviously, OBVIOUSLY, it rises from -X to +X over some number of hours after lunar sunrise. Obviously.
Why?
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Now everyone take note of how Samseau responds

There's nothing to respond to but a bunch of silly personal attacks and ad hominem.
There's no reason to take the bait of your obnoxious trolling.

Try to make an objective point and then we can discuss it.
It's not important WHO is making claims or giving facts, what's important is the content, and you have provided none, just a bunch of emotional "this guy wrong and bad."

but NASA didn't say that.
This was the only point made in the above diatribe. So I guess one could respond:
"Citation needed" and you could state what NASA actually claimed instead of this vague denial.

Then perhaps, we could discuss it? But it's not like NASA claims carry much weight.
NASA claims a lot of stuff which is demonstrably false.
Do you have an actual point here? Can you try to crystalize it into a non-emotional logical statement?
Otherwise please cut out all the whining and personal attacks. It's not welcome or allowed here.
These bizarre claims of lying are just silly and weird. The facts stand no matter who lies about them.

This reminder is a courtesy to you. It's an imposition to all on the forum to have to read obnoxious posts like this (yours and mine). In future you are likely to simply be reported or restricted for breaking forum rules like this, if you haven't already.
 
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Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
The way I see it, the moon landing was a noble lie. The US government needed a whole new fresh generation of boys to grow up into engineers and physicists in order to stay competitive and run the new post-WW2 American empire, so they needed something to create inspiration and produce the quality citizens necessary to maintain an increasingly complex and competitive world.

So they decided to fake it till they made it, and the point of faking the moon landings wasn't to simply create an American superiority complex, but to inspire the young Jeff Bezo's and Elon Musk's into growing up as scientists that could actually land on the moon and explore outer space.

Out of all the lies and rotten things America has in its past, I find the moon landings to be the least objectionable, no more worse than how Santa Claus was a myth to get children interested in Christ and Christmas. The moon landing hoax was most likely a top secret military operation designed as a psychological operation to produce tons of engineers and scientists of the future, and it worked brilliantly. In this sense, NASA was a complete success and one of the best uses of tax dollars in American history.
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Then in one sense, the moon landing was one of the most successful government programs ever.

The other side, of course, is that it was a complete failure, since today we have no shuttle program, no way of getting our men to and from the international space station (which was first built by the Russians), and even NASA admits that 60 years later, they have no idea how to do a moon landing.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Then in one sense, the moon landing was one of the most successful government programs ever.

The other side, of course, is that it was a complete failure, since today we have no shuttle program, no way of getting our men to and from the international space station (which was first built by the Russians), and even NASA admits that 60 years later, they have no idea how to do a moon landing.

Don't think in absolute terms, but in relative ones; we are closer to space exploration than we were before. Progress is truly all that matters in the realm of knowledge, since truth is the light of God and all discovered truth, no matter how small, is just another part of God's divine will we can learn about.
 

Argus101

Robin
Protestant
The way I see it, the moon landing was a noble lie. The US government needed a whole new fresh generation of boys to grow up into engineers and physicists in order to stay competitive and run the new post-WW2 American empire, so they needed something to create inspiration and produce the quality citizens necessary to maintain an increasingly complex and competitive world.

So they decided to fake it till they made it, and the point of faking the moon landings wasn't to simply create an American superiority complex, but to inspire the young Jeff Bezo's and Elon Musk's into growing up as scientists that could actually land on the moon and explore outer space.

Out of all the lies and rotten things America has in its past, I find the moon landings to be the least objectionable, no more worse than how Santa Claus was a myth to get children interested in Christ and Christmas. The moon landing hoax was most likely a top secret military operation designed as a psychological operation to produce tons of engineers and scientists of the future, and it worked brilliantly. In this sense, NASA was a complete success and one of the best uses of tax dollars in American history.
"One of the best uses of tax dollars in American history." You must be kidding! So American taxpayers shouldn't mind that billions of dollars were
wasted on the phony schemes of liars and cheaters, when that money could have been used to rebuild our decaying roads and bridges??
Science is not advanced by lies, but by the truth. Big whoppers like the moon landing hoax actually hurt the US in the long run, since scientists
and engineers don't know what is true and what is false, and only enable evildoers, when they're not punished, to push ever-more destructive
schemes like the COVID-19 vaccines that are now maiming and killing millions of Americans.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
"One of the best uses of tax dollars in American history." You must be kidding! So American taxpayers shouldn't mind that billions of dollars were
wasted on the phony schemes of liars and cheaters, when that money could have been used to rebuild our decaying roads and bridges??
Science is not advanced by lies, but by the truth. Big whoppers like the moon landing hoax actually hurt the US in the long run, since scientists
and engineers don't know what is true and what is false, and only enable evildoers, when they're not punished, to push ever-more destructive
schemes like the COVID-19 vaccines that are now maiming and killing millions of Americans.

But when NASA was made, the roads and bridges were perfect as they had been completed 10 years prior under Eisenhower. But you are correct that getting away with major lies corrupts those who perpetrated the lie; however this does not reduce the effectiveness of the lie.
 

homersheineken

Pelican
Protestant
But when NASA was made, the roads and bridges were perfect as they had been completed 10 years prior under Eisenhower. But you are correct that getting away with major lies corrupts those who perpetrated the lie; however this does not reduce the effectiveness of the lie.
I've yet to see a road last 5 years without construction, much less 10...
 

Argus101

Robin
Protestant
I've yet to see a road last 5 years without construction, much less 10...
Especially when those roads were constructed with inferior materials by cheating contractors, and corrupt politicians who take "campaign
contributions" from the contractors, look the other way and refuse to punish the malefactors.
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
The 5 moon landings were not a "benign" lie. It was, and still is one of the most dangerous lies ever conceived because they are akin to to the worst kind of blasphemy.

The supposed moon landings were in effect denying they was a firmament above the earth as described in genesis, as well as fundamentally changing the established concept of the known world as described in the bible.

In the minds of millions of people "God", the bible, and religion became a much more distant, abstract, and mythological concept once men supposedly landed on the moon.

I would even argue that the so called moon landings were satanic in nature in the way they ultimately put all Christian concepts of the world and universe into doubt, and up for debate from that point on.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
I disagree with that aspect, which was settled by Christian scientists like Galileo, Kepler and Copernicus centuries ago.

The most insidious part of the moon landing lies is that they had to kill based astronaut Gus Grissom and two of his crewmates in order to perpetrate that lie.

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Gus Grissom and family
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
I disagree with that aspect, which was settled by Christian scientists like Galileo, Kepler and Copernicus centuries ago.

The most insidious part of the moon landing lies is that they had to kill based astronaut Gus Grissom and two of his crewmates in order to perpetrate that lie.

101118-grissom-family-ap-18283645902799.jpg

Gus Grissom and family

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Had he been killed after the missions were over, because he was threatening to tell the truth, then sure it would make sense. But it looks like he was one of the early test pilots who got killed and most likely this is when NASA decided with the "Fake it till you make it" strategy.
 
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