Difficulty working with people in their early 20s

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Hard not to be flippant, and suggest seeking a job elsewhere.

I just absolutely could not function long term around these type of people without 'offending them', and ultimately, given they hold all the aces culturally, risking my employment.

It would either be stifling myself and being miserable, or just getting out and finding alternative employment.
 

Gremlin

Robin
Don't have private meetings with any òf them, especially the women.

Document every work related interaction you have with them.

Don't get involved with the drama between them.

Keep your interactions with them short and to the point.

Don' take anyone under your wing.

If you have to train them, train them to dot every "i" and cross every "t."

Don't accept invitations from them outside of work.

Never talk politics and keep the humor to a minimum.
 

Fluke

Chicken
Orthodox
Not sure what type of environment it is, but from experience I've noticed that a lot of young people are thrown into some stressful responsibilities without introduction work. Also that depending on the environment which can mold people and create the strengths, a lazy society has a youth that doesn't understand long hours and brain melting problems. I work in automation and went into it around 30 and I hid my frustrations and lack of confidence, I was gifted with some good men that help me catch up that saw potential. They would teach and show me things I haven't done with my own hands and things really started to pick up for me. I still keep in touch with one of them, will always be a friend.
 
Hard not to be flippant, and suggest seeking a job elsewhere.

I just absolutely could not function long term around these type of people without 'offending them', and ultimately, given they hold all the aces culturally, risking my employment.

It would either be stifling myself and being miserable, or just getting out and finding alternative employment.
I can’t change industry easily. Maybe if I can’t figure it out after a few more years but I’d rather just learn how to deal with them.
 
It's the smartphones. They are the first generation raised on them.

I have noticed the same. A majority of those below 23-25 are socially stunted, have a short attention span, have been raised on girl power and/or suffer from low T levels

Weird dead eyes, and disinterested attitudes abound. Also narcissistic tendencies due to social media

I hate to sound like Negative Nancy but I can't make anymore out of it.

This crosses borders bytheway
 

gat

Sparrow
I’m a guy in my 40s, work in technology.

I’m starting to have a very difficult time working with younger women, or more rarely younger men. A lot of these people seem like they need a whole lot of coddling and feel good vibes from me. It’s extremely easy to offend them.

Anyone experienced something similar? Advice?
I am almost in my 40s and also work in technology. I am experiencing the same. It has gotten to a point where I have told myself I will only hire men for the business I eventually build. I think our forefathers intuitively knew that working with women is like working with children. We just deluded ourselves for a few decades in the hope of 'progress'.

As an aside, I was able to adjust my team to be men only and we are much lower drama and much more effective now.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
It sucks that we can’t yell and swear at them like everyone did back in the day. I remember starting out in my trade almost 15 years ago and the older guys were brutal but it was fun, now I’m one of the older guys but the culture changed and I actually have to be considerate to some jackass who has to be reminded “Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey” when he picks up a wrench.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
It sucks that we can’t yell and swear at them like everyone did back in the day. I remember starting out in my trade almost 15 years ago and the older guys were brutal but it was fun, now I’m one of the older guys but the culture changed and I actually have to be considerate to some jackass who has to be reminded “Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey” when he picks up a wrench.
I’ll play devils advocate and say some of those hazing type of attitudes are what turned a generation to more soy pursuits. It’s certainly gone way too far the other direction at this point, but you have to be careful not to discourage men that otherwise have potential. For example, some young man coming from a single mother household might need more time to get used to a high-T, no-nonsense environment than someone with a stern father. Sticking with that job could be very transformative for the male with a single mother, and it would be beneficial for a strong male to show a little patience from time to time. If you start just putting young men through the meat grinder, you are inevitably going to churn out some rejects that resort to vengeful SJWism.
 

semilla

Sparrow
I’m just going to throw this out there, but maybe it’s you.

Times are changing. Generations differ.

You know it’s difficult to understand a youngsters perspective, how do you think they understand yours?

For instance, I hope this doesn’t come off in a snarky way, but as a young guy in an industry dominated by older, cutthroat men, I often fail to see where they are coming from in different situations. And if I get an uncalled boomer lecture or see a superior take what I think is a greedy or misleading action, it can easily lead to resentment or a loss of respect for said superior.

And I’m not going to be sorry for disagreeing with someone or not seeing something their way. Could this be what is at the heart of your issues?
 
I’m not super strict with them. I’m actually trying to be nice. And I do get along fine with many young people. I’m not too old myself anyways, I’m not some uncle type.

Some people are just a landmine. You give and give, but you get complaints. There’s one guy who I sat down with multiple times after he asked for feedback and I gave him some helpful and honest observations. I still learned later that he thinks I treat him bad. Not to mention I’ve corrected his mistakes so many times. Unfortunately he’s not able to face the reality that he has a long way to go and I’m a convenient scapegoat. It must be me, he’s great. I can only do one thing with such people - stay away.
 

semilla

Sparrow
I’m not super strict with them. I’m actually trying to be nice. And I do get along fine with many young people. I’m not too old myself anyways, I’m not some uncle type.

Some people are just a landmine. You give and give, but you get complaints. There’s one guy who I sat down with multiple times after he asked for feedback and I gave him some helpful and honest observations. I still learned later that he thinks I treat him bad. Not to mention I’ve corrected his mistakes so many times. Unfortunately he’s not able to face the reality that he has a long way to go and I’m a convenient scapegoat. It must be me, he’s great. I can only do one thing with such people - stay away.

I see.

Not to take this thread in another direction, but have you confronted this guy with these issues?

No need to stir the pot, but I personally wouldn’t like him either a) acting out of line or b) sincerely misunderstanding of your guidance.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
One extremely annoying trait I've noticed (besides the obvious uptalk and weird vocal cadence) is the propensity to talk VERY fast. It is hard to be taken seriously when one spews verbal diarrhea and has poor economy with words.

I don't know how to fix this, it's like wanting someone with extremely sloppy dress and baggy clothes to dress nice. They just aren't going to do it unless they see it as something they want to fix. I tend to overemphasize by talking extra slow and loud and distinctly when I speak to them, so maybe they will pick up on how immature they sound. Roosh and Richard Spencer are two guys of my generation who speak at a slow and intentional cadence when talking publicly.

Even our politicians sound much more dignified when they are blabbering lies, but speak to us in a slow, clear cadence. It gives your words legitimacy.


It's the omigosh OHHHH soyboy face versus the trad "NO" meme come to life.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
It's the smartphones. They are the first generation raised on them.

I have noticed the same. A majority of those below 23-25 are socially stunted, have a short attention span, have been raised on girl power and/or suffer from low T levels

Weird dead eyes, and disinterested attitudes abound. Also narcissistic tendencies due to social media

I hate to sound like Negative Nancy but I can't make anymore out of it.

This crosses borders bytheway
Don’t you think a lot of this just stems from the breakdown of the family? Single parent families producing men with no male role models and women that are angry at authority.
I think, like most problems now, it just comes from family. And a lack of love.
Yep. Gen Z is broken. They're socially retarded, almost all of them. My brother is significantly younger than me, was at his high school graduation in June. The Valedictorian and runners up gave speeches (all women). All of their speeches sounded like something I would have written in 5th or 6th grade. Stunted, flat speeches with no depth clearly adapted from some sort of rubric.

Gen Z was:
  • Abandoned by their parents who provided only food, shelter, and a smartphone
  • Hooked on screens
  • Addicted to pornography
  • Indoctrinated in public schools
  • Fed processed foods
Gen Z men are the most emasculated generation to date to be produced in the West. They try to force these young men to have female role models.

You can't interact with Gen Z'ers, there's nobody home. Most of them don't even text, they facetime, so in a professional setting they're illiterate.

I don't hold it against them you just have to be extremely careful, especially with the women. They were given a victim identity and they will use it. At least Gen Z men want to be better.

There's many exceptions to what I'm saying, of course
I’m just going to throw this out there, but maybe it’s you.

Times are changing. Generations differ.

You know it’s difficult to understand a youngsters perspective, how do you think they understand yours?
I hope this isn't the case because I'm in my mid 20s and already have nothing in common with Gen Z.
 

Magnus Stout

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Problems with women workers? You can't change the culture. You can only change that which you have the power to change.

Can you find a Queen Bee to keep the other female bees in line (this delegation can be useful for some bosses)?

This is an odd suggestion, but more to general advice: I would watch some Gordon Ramsay's Hell's Kitchen (yes, a reality TV show, but that Chef is the real deal). He's classic Alpha, so you can learn a thing or two about how he manages conflict (warning: copious swearing):
Work alongside your team. Let them see that you are tough but fair. Reward excellence and punish incompetence and laziness. When you bring the hammer down, make sure it is just. Otherwise, you're not boss, but a babysitter, and will lose the respect of your team.
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I’m a guy in my 40s, work in technology.

I’m starting to have a very difficult time working with younger women, or more rarely younger men. A lot of these people seem like they need a whole lot of coddling and feel good vibes from me. It’s extremely easy to offend them.

Anyone experienced something similar? Advice?
I'm in my late 20s and my generation and upwards have grown up in decadence, ungodliness, ease, cultural manipulation, lies, hedonism. You get big children when you do that, regardless whether they're in their late 20s or older. Not knowing how they ought to behave, no morals, no goal in life, no direction, no meaning, no purpose. Pursuing the materialistic hedonistic hamster wheel. On the other hand, when confronted with authority, stoicism and boundaries they may act like they don't like it initially, but it will also generate a lot of respect as that is something they don't know. So that might be the right direction to go with them. Don't compromise yourself at the very least in this feminine, emotional, truthless society of kneebenders, liars and people who ''just play along''.
 

Elipe

Pelican
reminded “Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey” when he picks up a wrench.
Now is that left/right with respect to the wrench handle or the wrench head? Because if you pull the handle to the left, the head goes to the right. I jest, but it's easy to see why inexperienced men get confused, especially when we say "left/right" as opposed to counter-clockwise/clockwise.

But then again, does Gen Z even know what an analog clock looks like? Well, we're doomed.

Anyone experienced something similar? Advice?
I've worked with the ones young enough to regularly dab at others. Work is a daycare for them. I definitely feel you, even as a millennial I relate better to the office boomers!
 

stugatz

Pelican
I work in a kitchen and we have a teenage boy (15) washing dishes and occasionally prepping stuff like salads for us if we're slammed. (He can also do very blah stuff like portion cheese or portion pre-cut lettuce for salads. He's not allowed to touch the knives.)

He does a terrible job washing dishes, I can do a better job in a third of the time. He's on his phone too often, doesn't remember what goes on most of the items if we do ask him for help, and gets annoyed if we're using a tone with him that isn't just general praise. Is generally disrespectful, too, he's only consistently nice to the pretty waitresses that are close to his age. He also gets annoyed if he's caught up on dishes and is brought more. This isn't a hard job!! I'd love to be paid to do just one task all night.

I've kind of given up on him and just look at him as a way to reduce our piles of dishes on peak nights. He'd make a terrible line cook, he'd probably get panicked and quit within a day. I myself understand that yeah, it sucks that you might get six orders and each one of them has a pain-in-the-neck modification to it that you're expected to remember, but THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE JOB.
 
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