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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas More" data-source="post: 1489816" data-attributes="member: 8402">People get the government they deserve. The Japanese and German governments continued to have strong public support for the war effort during much of WWII, perhaps right to the end. It was quite a burden on the allied powers to fight the war against these two.I think it is fair game to target civilian populations in a total war situation, in which the enemy government is fighting with a totally mobilized economy and populace, with solid public support.By making sure to kill a sufficient number of Germans and Japanese, the Allied powers made sure that the surviving populations lost their interest in militarism. This was a desirable outcome.It is unfortunate that the Allied powers have now become degenerate, and are involved in a civilizational collapse. Some say Hitler was right in the values he espoused. Maybe so. However, he was only tilting against windmills. The German culture had already had the Weimar era, and it was already headed down the road to decadence and civilizational collapse. Hitler couldn't have stopped this in the long run. I think this was one of the interesting things explored in The Man in the High Tower. Likewise, the Japanese had already made a concerted effort to come into the modern world, and to become an industrialized power. They were already sowing the seeds for the current generation of herbivore young men.None of this analysis affects the military decision making at the time. All I'm saying is that in the 1940's, the Allies were most certainly provoked to bombing civilian populations, and in the immediate period of the war and the initial decades afterwards, they had every reason to think it was useful. Any analysis 75+ years later saying the Germans or Japanese were right is reconning.</blockquote>

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