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<blockquote data-quote="Mr.S" data-source="post: 1490704" data-attributes="member: 21999"><p>Your claim that America created a Japan that did these things is not only wrong, but an absolutely preposterous claim. I’ve already made several points to support my argument which you ignored or dismissed without a logic counter argument (#2 for example), but here’s more supporting evidence: Japan was a fox in the henhouse- the second they unified as a single empire (with absolutely zero American interaction) they immediately started invading neighboring countries. They invaded Taiwan, they started a fight with the Russians, and they annexed Korea. Please explain how America influenced that if you want to stand by that claim. I insist. In WW1, they begin their involvement with China which was long and brutal. How was this America’s doing? In the interwar period they ignored all the peace treaties limiting navy size and did whatever they wanted (all the Christian nations honored their word). And FINALLY the US decides maybe it’s not a good idea to keep funding the evil perpetrated by Japan. And how do they respond to that? Violence of course! Keep in mind the reason Japan was expanding in the Pacific was because they wanted resource independence. Is it America’s fault they have no rubber or iron ore in their ground?</p><p></p><p>So what is reasonable about killing people with an atomic bomb? Well, wars have killing so you’re going to have to get over that if you want to have a rational discussion. And the bomb?, it shortened the war we didn’t start and prevented a lot of other people from dying. Can you please explain what about that is unreasonable? What should the US have done instead and precisely how many lives do you estimate would have been lost with your idea?</p><p></p><p>Your last paragraph seems to be misconstruing a lot of unrelated things? I won’t address it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mr.S, post: 1490704, member: 21999"] Your claim that America created a Japan that did these things is not only wrong, but an absolutely preposterous claim. I’ve already made several points to support my argument which you ignored or dismissed without a logic counter argument (#2 for example), but here’s more supporting evidence: Japan was a fox in the henhouse- the second they unified as a single empire (with absolutely zero American interaction) they immediately started invading neighboring countries. They invaded Taiwan, they started a fight with the Russians, and they annexed Korea. Please explain how America influenced that if you want to stand by that claim. I insist. In WW1, they begin their involvement with China which was long and brutal. How was this America’s doing? In the interwar period they ignored all the peace treaties limiting navy size and did whatever they wanted (all the Christian nations honored their word). And FINALLY the US decides maybe it’s not a good idea to keep funding the evil perpetrated by Japan. And how do they respond to that? Violence of course! Keep in mind the reason Japan was expanding in the Pacific was because they wanted resource independence. Is it America’s fault they have no rubber or iron ore in their ground? So what is reasonable about killing people with an atomic bomb? Well, wars have killing so you’re going to have to get over that if you want to have a rational discussion. And the bomb?, it shortened the war we didn’t start and prevented a lot of other people from dying. Can you please explain what about that is unreasonable? What should the US have done instead and precisely how many lives do you estimate would have been lost with your idea? Your last paragraph seems to be misconstruing a lot of unrelated things? I won’t address it. [/QUOTE]
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