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<blockquote data-quote="Aboulia" data-source="post: 1491060" data-attributes="member: 16697"><p>Japan only started it's colonialism after America violated the sovereignty of it's borders by forcing their way in through gunship diplomacy, so all your examples are moot. Forcing your way in, you brought into attention what dangers lie outside, and made them realize that only power matters, and if the world is working like that, then Japan better be as strong as it can be, in order to do that, it has to expand because Japan isn't a resource rich country. The technology and thought was brought in from outside. Show where Japan previous to 1850 acted as a colonial power domineering it's neighbouring countries for resources.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If power is the only thing that matters, who cares what words on a page say? If you have enough power you can define what those words mean, as you see the entire warping of reality today, where the 1st Amendment is used to justify the propagation of pornography instead of guaranteeing the right to criticize the government without fear of reprisal. The US doesn't even take it's own words seriously, otherwise the South would have seceded and the American Civil war wouldn't have happened.</p><p></p><p>So why should Japan take it's treaty with the US seriously when the US doesn't even treat it's own seriously?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wars involve killing yes; not the issue. The indiscriminate slaughter of noncombatants/civilians while moral posturing yourself as the good, justified, civilized people, is what I am, and will always be opposed to. I don't care who does it.</p><p></p><p>As for pretending America didn't provoke Japan, go ahead and read the article I posted in my first post. Why should I rehash it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aboulia, post: 1491060, member: 16697"] Japan only started it's colonialism after America violated the sovereignty of it's borders by forcing their way in through gunship diplomacy, so all your examples are moot. Forcing your way in, you brought into attention what dangers lie outside, and made them realize that only power matters, and if the world is working like that, then Japan better be as strong as it can be, in order to do that, it has to expand because Japan isn't a resource rich country. The technology and thought was brought in from outside. Show where Japan previous to 1850 acted as a colonial power domineering it's neighbouring countries for resources. If power is the only thing that matters, who cares what words on a page say? If you have enough power you can define what those words mean, as you see the entire warping of reality today, where the 1st Amendment is used to justify the propagation of pornography instead of guaranteeing the right to criticize the government without fear of reprisal. The US doesn't even take it's own words seriously, otherwise the South would have seceded and the American Civil war wouldn't have happened. So why should Japan take it's treaty with the US seriously when the US doesn't even treat it's own seriously? Wars involve killing yes; not the issue. The indiscriminate slaughter of noncombatants/civilians while moral posturing yourself as the good, justified, civilized people, is what I am, and will always be opposed to. I don't care who does it. As for pretending America didn't provoke Japan, go ahead and read the article I posted in my first post. Why should I rehash it? [/QUOTE]
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