DNA Ancestry Testing
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Samseau said:
That's what I'm saying. There's nothing you can really do so long as you choose to live in the "land of the free."
crippler said:
Yeah I make jokes about that too. It's not THE reason to get the kit but an added benefit to knowing your ancestry. You may legitimately have an interesting history.
Blackhawk
Kingfisher
Tuthmosis said:
What Tim Ferriss did was use an obvious false name like "Brad Pitt" and had the results mailed back to a UPS store using only the street address. He also did on-line payment through coupon cards he bought for cash in a department store, and did his on-line account setup with an IP masker. Someone already figured the way to do it anonymously although someone may have updated his process since then.
The ancestors story isn't interesting. The presence of absence of certain genes like ACTN3 that can effect how you should diet and what workout routines can work better for you is interesting.
My brother did it. Not with that company, but with one in Cambridge. Our paternal DNA, I.E our Dad's, dad's, dad's........dad, all as long as they can trace back to most probably came form Bornholm, an island off Denmark. The mitrochondrial DNA, originanted in North Africa, travelled up through what is now Saudi, up through modern Romania where it became Ashkenazi Jewish or something, etc. So, if my brother's and mine are the same (they would be, right?) we're Danish/Berber/Middle Eastern/Ashkenazi.
It's all so diluted though, but interesting nevertheless. He didn't do an admixture test, but I'm guessing we'd be 90+ Caucasian/European.
It's all so diluted though, but interesting nevertheless. He didn't do an admixture test, but I'm guessing we'd be 90+ Caucasian/European.
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Tuthmosis said:
agree on this. the more we value anonymity, the more we'll be free.
results would be interesting though.
I got this done a little while ago.
It really got me interested in investigating more into my ancestry. I'm mostly white and Jewish, but my family always thought we had some Native American as well.
Got my test done, and apparently, nope. But I do have a decent amount (about 5%) of Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
Apparently it's pretty common for White Americans to believe they have Native American ancestry and find out they don't. I'm assuming someone in my family line came up with the lie that they were part Native American to avoid being labeled as "black" back in the day. But it was so long ago that everyone in my family now believed this lie.
Also, the disease information is useful to me. I see that I am more likely than average to suffer from certain diseases, so I can try to lead a life that prevents theme as best as I can.
It really got me interested in investigating more into my ancestry. I'm mostly white and Jewish, but my family always thought we had some Native American as well.
Got my test done, and apparently, nope. But I do have a decent amount (about 5%) of Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
Apparently it's pretty common for White Americans to believe they have Native American ancestry and find out they don't. I'm assuming someone in my family line came up with the lie that they were part Native American to avoid being labeled as "black" back in the day. But it was so long ago that everyone in my family now believed this lie.
Also, the disease information is useful to me. I see that I am more likely than average to suffer from certain diseases, so I can try to lead a life that prevents theme as best as I can.
Teedub said:
Just to be clear, when you say "our paternal DNA" or "maternal DNA" you really mean your Y-DNA Haplogroup and MT-DNA Haplogroup.
This is not really useful for determining your ancestry at all. Your father's father's father's.... father going back 50,000 years is effectively 0% of your ancestry.
Your dad is 50% of your ancestry
Your grandpa is 25% of your ancestry
Great grandpa - 12.5
GG grandpa - 6.25
GGG grandpa - 3.12
GGGG - 1.6
GGGGG - .8
GGGGGG - .4
You get the idea. Haplogroups were formed tens of thousands of years ago. The information can be useful to look at on a population scale, ie, "25% of the british population has the Y-Haplogroup R1b1a, which originated HERE, showing significant migration in prehistoric times from HERE to Britain."
However, it doesn't mean much about your actual ancestry
Hencredible Casanova said:
Henc, you have some ancestry from the Horn of Africa if I remember correctly, right?
One thing to keep in mind with 23andme is that it's highly Euro-centric. They give all sorts of detail about different european ancestries, but "African", "Asian", "South Asian" and "Middle Eastern" are all just viewed as non-differentiated blocks. An Nigerian and Congolese person would probably both just show up "100% Sub-Saharan African"
HOWEVER
With 23andme, you get your raw DNA data. If you're interested, there are independent ways to analyze this using free software developed here http://dodecad.blogspot.com/
You basically download a program and run different calculators developed by independent genomists.
http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/09/africa9-calculator.html
This one has a good deal of detail on different African populations.
ALSO:
This guy, Dr. Doug MacDonald, will analyze your raw DNA data using several different methods that will help you better understand your DNA. I had him help me (totally free) and he was more than willing to help explain several things to me and walk me through the analysis
http://dna-explained.com/2012/09/09/doug-mcdonald-on-biogeograpical-analysis/
slothpiece
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I had wondered about this earlier. I heard you could get a kit like that from the National Geographic Society. It's $100 more, but they claim it is a different kit than the one the OP mentioned.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
Wah wah wah
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
Wah wah wah
23andme analyzes something like 600,000 SNPs for ancestry. Pretty good coverage. With their raw data, you can run your own ancestry tests using R and diydodecad calculators.
They say they focus on "deep ancestry" from markers on your Y chromosome and mtDNA.
If I understand correctly, they're talking about just your father's father's father's father's.... lineage and the same for your mother's mother's mother's...
That is a small part of your overall genetic makeup. But I'm not really clear about what they're offering.
Do you have any examples of what their results might look like?
They say they focus on "deep ancestry" from markers on your Y chromosome and mtDNA.
If I understand correctly, they're talking about just your father's father's father's father's.... lineage and the same for your mother's mother's mother's...
That is a small part of your overall genetic makeup. But I'm not really clear about what they're offering.
Do you have any examples of what their results might look like?
Sonsowey said:
Thanks. Good to know.
I tested with 23andme. I recommend it for testing. They test even to what physical features you might get based on your DNA (like if you are more likely to get curly hair or if your body is good at handling alcohol).
I got really interesting information from testing. For example, I got an Amerindian y-DNA (majority of Mexicans get either European, North African, or ME y-DNA), I got Italian ancestry (didn't even know I had Italian ancestry), I got 4% black DNA, and I got French ancestry. Really good info right there. I'll put in my results on the thread later on to show you guys how detailed the reports are.
I got really interesting information from testing. For example, I got an Amerindian y-DNA (majority of Mexicans get either European, North African, or ME y-DNA), I got Italian ancestry (didn't even know I had Italian ancestry), I got 4% black DNA, and I got French ancestry. Really good info right there. I'll put in my results on the thread later on to show you guys how detailed the reports are.
my sample:
Tuthmosis said:
I don't even use yahoo as my default search engine. It got installed for some reason when I downloaded something that I can't remember. I mostly use google.
I got my 23andme results. I downloaded the raw data and uploaded it onto Gedmatch.com which gives a breakdown on a more granular level than 23andme. You can look at chromosome by chromosome.
My paternal halogroup is E1B1B1 which originated in East Africa and spread out North Africa and Southern/Eastern Europe. It's the most dominant paternal halogroup in North Africa.
I joined the group for E1B1B and there was a thread with my precise halogroup (E1B1B1) with members of Moroccan, Egyptian, Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish descent. I was the only member from the Horn of Africa.
My maternal halogroup is L3F1a which is a subset of the L3 group that originated in East Africa and spread across the Red Sea into Arabia. The L3f branched off from L3 in East Africa and spread westward across the sahel zone (below the Sahara) and into West Africa. Descendants of those in West Africa also made it into the Americas during the transatlantic slave trade.
I joined the group for the L3F branch and there's roughly 40 members. Most of the members were African-American, and some Caribbeans, but there was only one member in the thread of my precise halogroup, and it was an Ethiopian female.
As for my genetic makeup based on my raw DNA, I am posting that below. Interesting results but not really surprising given the geography and history of the Horn of Africa region.
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My paternal halogroup is E1B1B1 which originated in East Africa and spread out North Africa and Southern/Eastern Europe. It's the most dominant paternal halogroup in North Africa.
I joined the group for E1B1B and there was a thread with my precise halogroup (E1B1B1) with members of Moroccan, Egyptian, Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish descent. I was the only member from the Horn of Africa.
My maternal halogroup is L3F1a which is a subset of the L3 group that originated in East Africa and spread across the Red Sea into Arabia. The L3f branched off from L3 in East Africa and spread westward across the sahel zone (below the Sahara) and into West Africa. Descendants of those in West Africa also made it into the Americas during the transatlantic slave trade.
I joined the group for the L3F branch and there's roughly 40 members. Most of the members were African-American, and some Caribbeans, but there was only one member in the thread of my precise halogroup, and it was an Ethiopian female.
As for my genetic makeup based on my raw DNA, I am posting that below. Interesting results but not really surprising given the geography and history of the Horn of Africa region.
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eurogenes chromosome calculator
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Sparrow
99% of the population can be traced back to Africa, you don't need a DNA test to figure that out. And Neanderthal DNA, down to a fraction of a percent accuracy? Fuck off.
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