Do men in developing countries live better than anglosphere drones?

[whatday]

Why are so many residents of these countries still clamoring to get into the USA and Canada and Australia?

All of the above sounds like a lot of second and third world posturing to not feel so bad that one is not first world.

Why do we have so many men on this forum still clamoring to get away from the USA, Canada, and Australia and into those developing countries?

Because they have an "Anglo hellhole" based income stream, or employment opportunities that are not available to locals, and which allow them to live a lifestyle multiple times better than what is possible for a native. So, they get the financial benefits of the anglo hellhole with the benefit of some nice foreign bitches.

Those scenarios have nothing to do with what the OP is asserting.

Suits would not be in China if he worked at the local lead tainted toy factory with the rest of the average Chinese men

But Suits isn't average or a laborer, he's a businessman.

And businessmen can do well anywhere in the world.

Being born in China, Mexico, or the Philippines is not a sentence of a life as a laborer in poverty. Is it more likely he'd have been born in poverty? Yes. Is there still a good chance he'd be born in another social class, or poor, and still end up a successful guy with a good looking wife that respects him, healthy children, and a full life? Yes.

 

[whatday]

I look forward to OP's future.

He sits at a table in a developing nation with a local beauty younger than him. The waiter delivers the check. OP says with a wink and a nod as he drops a 40% tip - "you don't know how much better you have it than guys where I'm from". Then he walks out with the local beauty. The guy is figuring out how to ration the tip between helping his parents and his sister that has three children. His sister is 22. He is 20.

You're being dramatic, Travesty.

That's not what Australia's saying at all.

Some of you guys are behaving like the SJW's that read that Google memo and completely misconstrued it.

Step back and take a look at what Australia was really getting at.

 

[Travesty]

^ Unless you were that 20 year old waiter, you don't know what it's like.

 

[Corollary]

Because they have an "Anglo hellhole" based income stream, or employment opportunities that are not available to locals, and which allow them to live a lifestyle multiple times better than what is possible for a native. So, they get the financial benefits of the anglo hellhole with the benefit of some nice foreign bitches.

Those scenarios have nothing to do with what the OP is asserting.

Suits would not be in China if he worked at the local lead tainted toy factory with the rest of the average Chinese men

I think the OP was trying to compare average Westerner to the average guy in a developing country. And even though I've never been to a developing country, something tells me that the average person there doesn't have to work in a life-threatening job.

But my question was just to illustrate that it isn't all about what you can buy with money. There are broader cultural factors that can make a difference in how the average life is lived.

Because it's easier to bang chicks when they perceive you as coming from a land that is paradise compared to theirs.

Note also that these men don't wish to leave behind their western earnings.

I don't want to say much on this because I get no pussy, but from what I read from guys posting here and elsewhere, it's not only about getting easy notches. A lot of guys comment on the differences in women that can be attributed to their culture.

 

[whatday]

^ Unless you were that 20 year old waiter, you don't know what it's like.

No one's saying America isn't life on easy mode, especially in regards to making money, it is, I think we can all agree on that.

I'm just saying there's quite some substance to Australia's thoughts on the matter. It's just not as black and white as many make it out to be.

 

[GlobalMan]

Suits is certainly an exceptional dude with a lot of ambition, but what he has done is certainly within the reach of almost any Canadian if they put the effort in. This is absolutely not the case for most men born in developing countries.

Being born in China, Mexico, or the Philippines is not a sentence of a life as a laborer in poverty. Is it more likely he'd have been born in poverty? Yes.

The entire premise of the thread is that the average person in somewhere like Colombia has it better off than the average man in the USA for example. As you just said there is a much higher likelihood that a man born in one of those places will likely live in poverty. That is the point.

Is there still a good chance he'd be born in another social class, or poor, and still end up a successful guy with a good looking wife that respects him, healthy children, and a full life? Yes.

And exactly the same could be said of being born in Australia or Canada or the USA, except that there will be far far greater possibilities available to the man born into poverty in these Anglo countries.

 

[Suits]

Why are so many residents of these countries still clamoring to get into the USA and Canada and Australia?

All of the above sounds like a lot of second and third world posturing to not feel so bad that one is not first world.

Why do we have so many men on this forum still clamoring to get away from the USA, Canada, and Australia and into those developing countries?

Because they have an "Anglo hellhole" based income stream, or employment opportunities that are not available to locals, and which allow them to live a lifestyle multiple times better than what is possible for a native. So, they get the financial benefits of the anglo hellhole with the benefit of some nice foreign bitches.

Those scenarios have nothing to do with what the OP is asserting.

Suits would not be in China if he worked at the local lead tainted toy factory with the rest of the average Chinese men

But Suits isn't average or a laborer, he's a businessman.

And businessmen can do well anywhere in the world.

If I'd been born into the world as a Chinese person (with the same genetics, otherwise), I never would have become a businessman. I doubt I would have gotten into university and I doubt I could have earned the money to do anything substantial without at least the income of a university graduate.

Any success that I've had has come from my ability to leverage my status as a white Canadian to earn enough money working part time to focus on business pursuits in the remaining time and to have the money to develop those pursuits.

I know a lot of Chinese people a lot smarter and hard-working that I am that don't have the opportunities that I do just because of where I was born.

 

[GlobalMan]

It's just not as black and white as many make it out to be.

Having lived and traveled all over the world the past 15 years, it is pretty damn black and white to me that having been born in the USA (insert other first world country) puts me at an advantage that most men can never dream of and allows me to determine my own life to an extent they never will be able to.

 

[Fortis]

No.

The fact that you can fly into these places and whine about the place that gave you so much money that you can afford to not work and fly around is evidence that, despite the whining, you're probably happier than they are on the whole.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Word to the wise, AS.

When you use terms like "anglosphere drones" my mind's eye immediately assembles an image of you that looks like this:

[img=400x300]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/519/423/b62.jpg[/img]

Using terms like that leaves the reader with an unerring assumption that you have an incredibly high opinion of yourself even though based on what you've written on the forum so far it's difficult to escape the sense that you're frankly little different from all these "drones" you speak of, who you somehow assume lead lesser lives than you.

You really have a penchant for negativity, and honestly just seeing your user name makes me roll my eyes. You should get a gold membership, change your handle and try to look on the bright side of life a bit more often. Try opening a thread titled "10 reasons I'm super lucky to live in a safe and secure nation where I can make bank before travelling and banging exotic snatch."

As for the OP, honestly, who gives a fuck about whether "boring" people in the anglosphere are better off than "real men" in the developing world? More advice. If you're going to post threads that amount to irrelevant navel-gazing then, again,
try to make them positive. This thread would be positive it if were posted on a middle-class Columbian forum. Here it translates to "Check me out, looking down on my fellow countrymen and pontificating about what a bunch of feckless simps they are! Australiasucks, keepin' it real, yo!"

You're not an idiot. But you are a real lead balloon sometimes. Start looking for silver linings for fucks sake, or at least keep your negativity to appropriate threads.

 

[Sidney Crosby]

This is almost like a Johnbozz thread.

 

[Corollary]

Word to the wise, AS.

When you use terms like "anglosphere drones" my mind's eye immediately assembles an image of you that looks like this:

[img=400x300]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/519/423/b62.jpg[/img]

Using terms like that leaves the reader with an unerring assumption that you have an incredibly high opinion of yourself even though based on what you've written on the forum so far it's difficult to escape the sense that you're frankly little different from all these "drones" you speak of, who you somehow assume lead lesser lives than you.

You really have a penchant for negativity, and honestly just seeing your user name makes me roll my eyes. You should get a gold membership, change your handle and try to look on the bright side of life a bit more often. Try opening a thread titled "10 reasons I'm super lucky to live in a safe and secure nation where I can make bank before travelling and banging exotic snatch."

As for the OP, honestly, who gives a fuck about whether "boring" people in the anglosphere are better off than "real men" in the developing world? More advice. If you're going to post threads that amount to irrelevant navel-gazing then, again,
try to make them positive. This thread would be positive it if were posted on a middle-class Columbian forum. Here it translates to "Check me out, looking down on my fellow countrymen and pontificating about what a bunch of feckless simps they are! Australiasucks, keepin' it real, yo!"

You're not an idiot. But you are a real lead balloon sometimes. Start looking for silver linings for fucks sake, or at least keep your negativity to appropriate threads.

This reads like an attempt to shut down discussion because you don't like the topic and you don't agree with the terms that were used. So far in this thread, there have been some varied and interesting responses, which is enough proof that the topic is worth discussion.

The comparison to a neckbeard looks like a personal attack, especially considering you didn't respond to a single point mentioned by the OP.

Australia Sucks may have a more negative outlook on things than most, but so what? His outlook on life isn't relevant here, and from his posts in other threads, it doesn't seem like he's disrupting the forum with negativity.

I'm all for mocking and insulting posters when they start ridiculous threads, but this thread isn't ridiculous.

 

[Beyond Borders]

After taking a 6 week vacation to Colombia earlier this year I wondered if the local guys really had that bad of a life compared to your average Joe living in an "Anglosphere" country.

Especially for guys that lived in smaller cities in Colombia, they did not have to deal with too much traffic or pollution and were eating better food (e.g. fresh unprocessed fruit and vegetables from the local market stalls, etc) than your average Anglosphere Joe. Add to this the fact that a lot of them seemed to be walking around with hot feminine girlfriends despite being ugly broke losers. They probably had a way bigger social circle with more friends and probably spend more time with family also.

Now compare this to some average guy in his 20s in the U.S.A. or Australia or England. He might have a $50,000 junior accounting or IT helpdesk, etc job which if you are in a big city does not give you much lifestyle. They probably feel socially isolated and are also either jerking off every night or have a chubby bitchy girlfriend who treats them like garbage. Not to mention the food they eat is probably mostly garbage.

I don't want to glorify the poor countries too much because obviously guys living there for the most part they do not have money and cannot afford things like out of country vacations, or nice restaurants, etc and have to deal with rampant corruption, theft, bureaucracy, etc. But when you weigh up the positives and negatives I am not necessarily convinced they have a worse life than the average westerner.

The grass is always greener on the other side right?

The first world and the developing world both have their advantages and disadvantages, obviously. I'd say that in general my friends in the developing world tend to have a steadier baseline of happiness and fulfillment, even if they don't realize it (grass is always greener, etc).

That being said, there are two things to keep in mind.

I agree that being a drone is far from the only way to go in developed nations. That's a drastically simplified, skewed notion that loads the entire question. The first world is a great place to be if you have the presence of mind to take control of your own life and emotions. In other words, all the material for a fantastic life exists in the West, but you've got to go out of your way to put it all together in a manner that fulfills you.

People who don't realize this or are unwilling to try, which is a pretty significant population, tend to have a lonely and depressed baseline, from what I can see. Unfortunately, the gravity of this cultural feature can suck down even the best of us sometimes.

Second, the developing world is a FANTASTIC place to be if you've got a relatively robust budget. All in all, I think both "worlds," so to speak, could stand to learn a lot from each other, or at the least both have a lot to teach the independent thinking man.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Leonard I do not think I am superior to others. That is not the impression I wanted to give others. At this stage of my life I am pretty much a lowly drone working a dead end low paying job that I hate and also struggling with game/girls. As for my looks I am nothing like the guy in your picture. I have met Dream Medicine and if you p.m. him he can confirm for you that I am very normal looking young guy.

At this stage I would hardly call myself a success. But I am slowly building up my wealth, so for me its a temporary period of my life that will eventually lead to freedom and I just see it as me living out the remainder of my metaphorical prison sentence (albeit a luxury prison) in the west before moving on to greener pastures. I want to eventually have the best of both world's a western income while living in non-western country. Yeah I might be a little on the negative side but everybody has a different personality (not everybody can be Tony Robbins) and also you do not know what my life was/is like so its difficult for you to make a value judgement.

As for your comment about me keeping my negative comments to appropriate threads with all due respect Sir I created the thread! So if you think the thread is useless you are welcome to ignore the thread. You also didn't actually address the topic of the thread.

I will relate the topic to a personal anecdote. Its slightly on a tangent because the character in the story is a girl rather than a man but it does paint a general picture. When I spent 14 weeks in Peru last year I got into a mini-relationship with a Peruvian girl towards the end. So I got to know her, her life, and her family, etc. She lived in Lima and was on the lower end of middle class. She lived with her sisters and mum in an apartment in a decent part of Lima and was earning about $1400 USD a month on average as a partner in a small business. She spoke decent English (self taught).

She would eat lunch at local cheap but tasty restaurants every day while working, would often spend time with her friends and family going on short (1-3 days) mini trips to the mountains, other cities, the jungle, etc.

She had a bunch of hobbies, and also would get invited to house parties, go out dancing with her friends, go to the beach with her friends, go to concerts with her friends, etc. She was positive, upbeat, well adjusted and generally always smiley and outgoing. She was kind and generous and was always trying to do nice things for others and looking after those around her. She seemed much happier, more caring and more well adjusted then the vast majority of soulless "thousand cock stare" girls that you see in the West. She did all this while working on her business and studying full time at the same time.

She was reasonably attractive (not a stunner though) and did have some rich boyfriends when she was younger. Okay she did not save any money and could not afford to buy a property or take long vacations but overall she seemed far happier and lead a more fulfilling life than the average Instagram hoe I meet in the west.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

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This reads like an attempt to shut down discussion because you don't like the topic and you don't agree with the terms that were used. So far in this thread, there have been some varied and interesting responses, which is enough proof that the topic is worth discussion.

The comparison to a neckbeard looks like a personal attack, especially considering you didn't respond to a single point mentioned by the OP.

Australia Sucks may have a more negative outlook on things than most, but so what? His outlook on life isn't relevant here, and from his posts in other threads, it doesn't seem like he's disrupting the forum with negativity.

I'm all for mocking and insulting posters when they start ridiculous threads, but this thread isn't ridiculous.

I'm noting what some people call a "trend". I'm also handing out advice to AS that a relevant and consequential number of people agree with, publicly or privately.

If I started an account called "America Sucks" and set to routinely bitching about America and everyone in it then by the third low-energy, unpatriotic, defeatist thread you'd be a little past "responding to the OP" too.

Case in point, I'd have been banned after the first thread.

You can cheerlead for him if you like rather than motivating him to dig himself out of this rut of self-pity (because that's exactly what this is about). At the rate he's going he'll soon wear out his welcome entirely and from that point on nobody is going to sugarcoat what they think of his attitude.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Leonard I do not think I am superior to others. That is not the impression I wanted to give others. At this stage of my life I am pretty much a lowly drone working a dead end low paying job that I hate and also struggling with game/girls.

At this stage I would hardly call myself a success. But I am slowly building up my wealth, so for me its a temporary period of my life that will eventually lead to freedom and I just see it as me living out the remainder of my metaphorical prison sentence (albeit a luxury prison) in the west before moving on to greener pastures. I want to eventually have the best of both world's a western income while living in non-western country. Yeah I might be a little on the negative side but everybody has a different personality (not everybody can be Tony Robbins) and also you do not know what my life was/is like so its difficult for you to make a value judgement.

As for your comment about me keeping my negative comments to appropriate threads with all due respect Sir I created the thread! So if you think the thread is useless you are welcome to ignore the thread. You also didn't actually address the topic of the thread.

If a picture says a thousand words then I just about have enough of your words to make a flip-book of who you are.

You aren't going to be happy no matter where you go, or with however much money you take with you. Happiness is a choice you make internally. So is unhappiness. You want dialogue about the OP? OK. Those third-worlders are happy or miserable because they choose to be. "Anglosphere drones" are happy or not happy because they choose to be.

You think that you can take a bunch of cash and move to "happy land".

But it's not going to work, because it's abundantly clear that you choose to be miserable. I read it in every sentence you post. I know because I've lived it myself. I recognise it inherently.

And so I tell you all this, not to insult or demean you, but to simply nudge you in a direction that will actually make your life better. Call it tough-dad trolling if you will. But the road you're on now will not take you where you want to go.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Leonard Rooshv started in part because Roosh more or less thought that America sucked (at least socially). There are plenty of early posts where Roosh is complaining about Washington DC or American women. Later when he got out of the U.S.A. for good his posts generally became more upbeat.

I think happiness is partly internal/mental and partly external. Your environment does affect your happiness, therefore I think its fallacious to say that if somebody is in an environment that actively makes them unhappy that they would not become happier moving to a different environment. Did you feel happier overall in life after you left the hustle of city living and settled into rural living? (I could be wrong but from memory you spent some time living in a city).

 

[GlobalMan]

Your environment does affect your happiness, therefore I think its fallacious to say that if somebody is in an environment that actively makes them unhappy that they would not become happier moving to a different environment.

This is both true, and a perfect example of why your initial observation in this thread is completely flawed.

You, having lived in KangarooLand, have been able to amass some amount of wealth that gives you the option of changing your environment to better suit your desires, and to change it multiple times if you want. This is not possible for the men you who you suggest "live better" than "anglo drones".

And, in AngloLand, that "drone" can wake up if he chooses to, and he can start building a life fairly quickly with possibilities that, again, Colombia droneman can only dream of.

 

[Dalaran1991]

Suits is correct. The Western world still afford a much better standard of living for the average man.

I'm from a developping country. Having lived in USA for 4 years and now France for 3 years, I still find that the western developed countries give you the most freedom, if freedom is the stick you use to measure "living better" by. That's why despite my recent malaise I still don't make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and says "fuck the west, let's go home".

People from the West has this illusion that developing countries are some sort of pussy paradise where men are redpilled and hardworking while women are feminine and traditional. I'll address this part later, but here's the thing: you don't get to worry about gender roles / fate of civilizations when you can barely make it in your daily life.

For ex, you have much, much higher chance of getting killed by traffic, or by some psychopath roadrager than getting offed by a terrorist. The running joke is that, no terrorist can ever attack Vietnam because the moment they try to traffick bombs/weapons here, they would have already been robbed blind!

You can forget about your grass-fed beef or healthy, organic food because literally everything is throw-away imports from China, or mass locally produced by greedy but downtrodden farmers. Everything from the most delicious streetfood to freshly boxed fish contain cancer. Government gives zero fuck to environmental protection so industrial waste are dumped in the rivers / sea areas where people are farming and growing the food you eat.

Starting a business can be both easier or harder. You must have the correct connection AND know what wheel to grease.

Now if you think the men live better, look at Russian men or most Asian men. Do they give you envy? Most live day by day and stuck in a tunnel vision of life, plagued by alcoholism and other problems. Women SEEM nicer because the culture is all about keeping face, and some places like in Ukraine they are actually "better". But are you in a position to take advantage of all that?

The rich lives much, much better here because everything is greased on money and corruption. Also people tend to leave tourists alone, even the mafia. It's bad for business if you harm the tourists. Same thing for Brazil from what I've heard. You guys also benefit from the absurd exchange rate, with 1$ = 16 000 VND. That's why people like OP think this is some sort of heaven. It's not.

You have a lot more potential to succeed in poor countries if you are the right type of guys, but you are not. As Leonard said, a lot of Western guys love to mentally masturbate and think themselves better than the average drones. Unless you have fuck you money and can disappear without paying taxes to your government or being tracked at a moment's notice, you are just an average drone.

Stay in Australia and maybe do 3-6 months every year abroad. That's usually the best setup for most guys. Or you can go do an apprenticeship with Suits.

 

[Ouroboros]

It's hard for anyone to answer this question objectively, and there is something of a false dichotomy between developing countries and developed countries. The differences in culture, women, economy and governance vary considerably within both the developing world and the developed, so the comparison is better made on a country-to country level. To illustrate:

Women: I would rather game in Spain or Norway than for example in India, Saudi Arabia (or almost anywhere in the Middle East), Cambodia or Samoa
Crime: parts of Latin America, the Middle East and Africa are crime-ridden, but most cities in South-East Asia are arguably safer than cities in the U.S.A.
Economy: would you rather pursue a career in a rising Asian country or a declining but still moderately wealthy European country? There are pros and cons to each, but it's not black and white. Let's not pretend New York represents the developed world and Mogadishu the developing world.
Culture: someone made the point that it is easier to make friends and maintain family connections in the developing world. This might be true in certain 'warm' cultures, like in Latin America or Southeast Asia. Is it also the case in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union? I'm not familiar enough with those cultures to say anything definitively, but they have the reputation for being even colder (in attitude) than people in the Anglosphere. Anecdotally, I've actually found Americans to be very friendly and outgoing, more so than most Europeans I've met.
Governance: in this respect the Anglosphere wins hands down. People in the developing world have to put up with levels of corruption and inefficiency that we can't begin imagine living in the first world. Certain 'developed' countries in the Mediterranean have to put up with a lot of inefficiency but not to the same extent.

It's better to compare one country to another, then weigh up the pros and cons according to your own values and priorities. And also to be cognisant of the fact that as a foreigner in a developing country you may have access to benefits that a local would not (e.g. I enjoyed Indonesia in large part because of the local girls' bule fetish and my first-world money). I do sympathise with the OP regarding the situation with women in Australia though (it really is bad, probably worse than the U.S. or Canada).
Edit: misread the title, though the comparison was between the developed world in general and the developing world, not the Anglosphere and the developing world. Still stand by the points I made though.