Do You Deserve A Good Woman?

Maybe there needs to be better matchmaking. To help connect those women looking for God-fearing Men.

How many of you have used Christian dating apps? Any real success? On this forum it seems like we just discuss the secular ones, like Tinder or Match.com.

Years ago, I went with a friend to his large Pentecostal Church, and I was blown away by the many very beautiful young women. Wow! They were a shapely bunch, who were covered up, but in body-hugging outfits that definitely caught the male gaze. There seemed to be more women than men, which was a good sign to me. Later, I talked to a Baptist pal who joked that producing hot chicks seemed to be a special blessing from God, given to the Pentecostals! Lol
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
How many of you have used Christian dating apps? Any real success? On this forum it seems like we just discuss the secular ones, like Tinder or Match.com.

Years ago, I went with a friend to his large Pentecostal Church, and I was blown away by the many very beautiful young women. Wow! They were a shapely bunch, who were covered up, but in body-hugging outfits that definitely caught the male gaze. There seemed to be more women than men, which was a good sign to me. Later, I talked to a Baptist pal who joked that producing hot chicks seemed to be a special blessing from God, given to the Pentecostals! Lol
Christian Mingle did nothing for me, like all the rest.
 

LoveBug

Kingfisher
I agree with the Gods will part, not so much the 'deserve' part.

Scumbags can easily acquire college aged virgin nice cuties.

But God sends everyone down here to learn certain lessons, and its in his hands if a good girl will come to you. No matter how much pursuing of that elusive girl you do. If its meant to be its meant to be
 
I agree with the Gods will part, not so much the 'deserve' part.

Scumbags can easily acquire college aged virgin nice cuties.

But God sends everyone down here to learn certain lessons, and its in his hands if a good girl will come to you. No matter how much pursuing of that elusive girl you do. If its meant to be its meant to be

A man should be careful about one-itis and wasting time with a non-responsive woman. This certainly happens in the Christian community.

God loves us, but generally, we must make stuff happen in our lives through planning and effort. And yes, sometimes he will "gift" someone a wonderful mate, where it all just falls into place, but that is rare.

"If it is to be, it is up to me." But combined with regular fasting, daily prayer, scripture study, church attendance, Christian singles socializing, and service to others.

And then starting at age 35, start putting up billboards along busy roads! ;)
 

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
Dittos on the compliments to the great article.

On virgin men:

At the risk of sounding contrarian, I think that a sub-set of men that will have it difficult are those men that happen to be virgins or "near" virgins. I'm sure someone with a "doctor's brain" will say - you either are a virgin or you are not. Sure, but what I'm describing is that particular guy that has had two (2) clumsy sexual experiences / Non-experiences with women while his marriage prospect - well, she has had 18 or so partners. I suppose the great aforementioned article is written to warn or contain the expectations of previously promiscuous guy(s).

Well, not every guy is/was a man-whore. The articles is great in that it generalizes with "most men", etc.

Back to this hypothetical marriage prospect that had 18 partners, lets say because we know it's true in many instance, she was proposed marriage at least once, very seriously. Another relationship was five (5) years; while she carried on other simultaneous relationships. As we know, women, they are known to have had 12 to 15 sex partners in the span of 1.5 years; most guys are not that disgusting. How many, for all intents and purposes, "honeymoons" did she have? How much romance was given?

Some forum members (religious guys, I suppose) have mentioned the idea of predestination in what woman you will be given. If this were so exact then, I imagine, no married couple would argue such topics about his/her past and life on earth in marriage would be very uncontentious outside of choosing which restaurant is best or, say, work or clothing. Also, as we've seen there have been articles written on the preacher that married the ex-porn star.

Now, to the difficult parts of this topic. Lately in the manosphere, I've seen some riveting meme's on women and the nature of women when it comes to marriage and mgtow, dating, etc. I can't share them here, they are both hilarious and stomach-churning or nauseating. Plus, to think of how clueless men are, in general, about the nature of women. There are red-pilled men out there that don't know the half of it. It's not until they live another decade that it dawns upon them what actually happened at age 24 or 28.

To illustrate this, when I was in my mid-twenties I participated in a summer internship. I was one of the older students. The bulk of the cohort was juniors and seniors in college, I was a graduate student. Well, there was this 'over-achieving', freshman Hispanic, let's call her M, because that is her real initial. I worked in the same building as she - there also was another student T, she worked there too. For M, toward the end of that internship, she became very comfortable with four (4) guys from a "guy's apartment" in the same housing building; she basically spent the last 2 weeks with them. The actual time that she was with them, I think everyone understands the meaning here, could have been a little more than 2 weeks.

So on the last couple of days of this summer internship, I learned that M was "sick". She led everyone to believe that she was sick. There I was talking to T, the other student that was a good girl friend to M. I told T:

"yes, M, she is sick that is why she is not at work"

I distinctly recall T giving me a looked as if I was a clue-less Blue Pilled Beta (I didn't even know what that meant at the time), which was mostly true. Either I was a blue-pilled beta or a determined blue-pilled alpha improving my lot by going to graduate school. But the point is ... T had a clear picture. Twenty years later and T still knows that M was being a whore while lying to her supervisor and everyone else.

So here T is with an understanding that M was not sick, but rather in an apartment with 2 to 4 guys getting drunk mid-day and having "honeymoons". Lol

You can't make this insanity up.

Now, get this -- if that wasn't enough -- two things. I saw M after that internship, a year or so later. I had a GF at the time who became my wife, but M, she, was shaming me because her "husband/non-husband" cheated on her. She gave me a steely gaze, or she glared at me, saying "All men cheat." I may have grinned and thought or said:

"ok, maybe some do"

It turns out that M had a High School sweetheart that she began the marriage process with; after said internship (he very well may have been a Virgin). They married at a resort in a foreign country. But when they returned to the States, they didn't go to the court house to settle the marriage because it turned out that he had someone else - another woman. Lol, sad but true.

Q: I can't help but wonder - did the revelation that she had such a warped view of sex, that she in fact spent more than one week with 4 guys - help to destroy the marriage before it could launch?

Who knows, it may have been shared or learned - and he may not have been able to bear it.
Earlier, about M, I said she was overachieving - no pun intended.

Some men would say Schadenfreude, schadenfreude to M.

I ... I ... well, let's just say that I reserve my brain power, or try my best to do so, for different needs - not joy or pleasure in someone's misfortunes - but recall she brought it upon herself. I simply wish there existed eye bleach, brain bleach, you get the point.

Although, I must say that I was mighty ticked off that T didn't believe me when I spoke, unknowingly, a lie. I was fed a lie. See there, most men care about integrity and honesty, loyalty -- arguably, most women, not of Faith, care about self gain, self pleasure, attention and lust.

So a question that arises, that is harsh and a question that I truly don't wish to ask or even write, may God in Heaven not judge me harshly for being too conscientious.

It's rhetorical.

Do some women deserve no romance? After all, they've had plenty.

So painful to write that ... women will be married and romance will be given but with or for some men -- it won't arrive without them - the guys - being ponderous.

Him to her:

Now, what was that, what did you experience? How many marriage proposals did you walk away from? How many dates were you taken on? How many over-lapping sexual relationships did you have?

The back and forth about this topic will continue on this forum, for sure, with titles like these from the spring and summer, they will simply be re-worded or questioned from a different angle:

How much does/should her sexual history matter?
Using Christ to overcome the sexual past of a potential wife
Finding nicer/happier women


One last thing about romance, it is over-rated to a degree but it's a woman's measure of her relationship however mature a woman should be - even after a failed marriage and 6 kids - they'll enjoy crying over their own broken hearts.

However, forgetting about all of that, as Jordan Peterson says, romance is for the beginning of a relationship, it for getting together to then have children.

For what it's worth ...
Cheers

John 3:16
 
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Blade Runner

Pelican
Without expounding on it, I do think it is a good point that you brought up: many faithful people (men) with little or no "sexual experience" indeed didn't have the indifference with the women that was required in a sense. These women were "around it more" especially by the late 20s ages, and the culture had already set them up for the bad decisions. Again, without early pairing, you have this bad 20 year period where ages 20-40 women get used and are over by 30 for sure, and men only wake up to the hard realities of what just happened, at mid 30s. LOL, it does suck.
 

Beaker

Robin
Dittos on the compliments to the great article.

On virgin men:

At the risk of sounding contrarian, I think that a sub-set of men that will have it difficult are those men that happen to be virgins or "near" virgins. I'm sure someone with a "doctor's brain" will say - you either are a virgin or you are not. Sure, but what I'm describing is that particular guy that has had two (2) clumsy sexual experiences / Non-experiences with women while his marriage prospect - well, she has had 18 or so partners. I suppose the great aforementioned article is written to warn or contain the expectations of previously promiscuous guy(s).

Well, not every guy is/was a man-whore. The articles is great in that it generalizes with "most men", etc.

Back to this hypothetical marriage prospect that had 18 partners, lets say because we know it's true in many instance, she was proposed marriage at least once, very seriously. Another relationship was five (5) years; while she carried on other simultaneous relationships. As we know, women, they are known to have had 12 to 15 sex partners in the span of 1.5 years; most guys are not that disgusting. How many, for all intents and purposes, "honeymoons" did she have? How much romance was given?

Some forum members (religious guys, I suppose) have mentioned the idea of predestination in what woman you will be given. If this were so exact then, I imagine, no married couple would argue such topics about his/her past and life on earth in marriage would be very uncontentious outside of choosing which restaurant is best or, say, work or clothing. Also, as we've seen there have been articles written on the preacher that married the ex-porn star.

Now, to the difficult parts of this topic. Lately in the manosphere, I've seen some riveting meme's on women and the nature of women when it comes to marriage and mgtow, dating, etc. I can't share them here, they are both hilarious and stomach-churning or nauseating. Plus, to think of how clueless men are, in general, about the nature of women. There are red-pilled men out there that don't know the half of it. It's not until they live another decade that it dawns upon them what actually happened at age 24 or 28.

To illustrate this, when I was in my mid-twenties I participated in a summer internship. I was one of the older students. The bulk of the cohort was juniors and seniors in college, I was a graduate student. Well, there was this 'over-achieving', freshman Hispanic, let's call her M, because that is her real initial. I worked in the same building as she - there also was another student T, she worked there too. For M, toward the end of that internship, she became very comfortable with four (4) guys from a "guy's apartment" in the same housing building; she basically spent the last 2 weeks with them. The actual time that she was with them, I think everyone understands the meaning here, could have been a little more than 2 weeks.

So on the last couple of days of this summer internship, I learned that M was "sick". She led everyone to believe that she was sick. There I was talking to T, the other student that was a good girl friend to M. I told T:

"yes, M, she is sick that is why she is not at work"

I distinctly recall T giving me a looked as if I was a clue-less Blue Pilled Beta (I didn't even know what that meant at the time), which was mostly true. Either I was a blue-pilled beta or a determined blue-pilled alpha improving my lot by going to graduate school. But the point is ... T had a clear picture. Twenty years later and T still knows that M was being a whore while lying to her supervisor and everyone else.

So here T is with an understanding that M was not sick, but rather in an apartment with 2 to 4 guys getting drunk mid-day and having "honeymoons". Lol

You can't make this insanity up.

Now, get this -- if that wasn't enough -- two things. I saw M after that internship, a year or so later. I had a GF at the time who became my wife, but M, she, was shaming me because her "husband/non-husband" cheated on her. She gave me a steely gaze, or she glared at me, saying "All men cheat." I may have grinned and thought or said:

"ok, maybe some do"

It turns out that M had a High School sweetheart that she began the marriage process with; after said internship (he very well may have been a Virgin). They married at a resort in a foreign country. But when they returned to the States, they didn't go to the court house to settle the marriage because it turned out that he had someone else - another woman. Lol, sad but true.

Q: I can't help but wonder - did the revelation that she had such a warped view of sex, that she in fact spent more than one week with 4 guys - help to destroy the marriage before it could launch?

Who knows, it may have been shared or learned - and he may not have been able to bear it.
Earlier, about M, I said she was overachieving - no pun intended.

Some men would say Schadenfreude, schadenfreude to M.

I ... I ... well, let's just say that I reserve my brain power, or try my best to do so, for different needs - not joy or pleasure in someone's misfortunes - but recall she brought it upon herself. I simply wish there existed eye bleach, brain bleach, you get the point.

Although, I must say that I was mighty ticked off that T didn't believe me when I spoke, unknowingly, a lie. I was fed a lie. See there, most men care about integrity and honesty, loyalty -- arguably, most women, not of Faith, care about self gain, self pleasure, attention and lust.

So a question that arises, that is harsh and a question that I truly don't wish to ask or even write, may God in Heaven not judge me harshly for being too conscientious.

It's rhetorical.

Do some women deserve no romance? After all, they've had plenty.

So painful to write that ... women will be married and romance will be given but with or for some men -- it won't arrive without them - the guys - being ponderous.

Him to her:

Now, what was that, what did you experience? How many marriage proposals did you walk away from? How many dates were you taken on? How many over-lapping sexual relationships did you have?

The back and forth about this topic will continue on this forum, for sure, with titles like these from the spring and summer, they will simply be re-worded or questioned from a different angle:

How much does/should her sexual history matter?
Using Christ to overcome the sexual past of a potential wife
Finding nicer/happier women


One last thing about romance, it is over-rated to a degree but it's a woman's measure of her relationship however mature a woman should be - even after a failed marriage and 6 kids - they'll enjoy crying over their own broken hearts.

However, forgetting about all of that, as Jordan Peterson says, romance is for the beginning of a relationship, it for getting together to then have children.

For what it's worth ...
Cheers

John 3:16
You're overthinking it because of today's equality mindset - the thought that we're all born equal - and you mentioning Jordan Peterson confirms it. Peterson went into a coma for thinking that he could medicate himself to be better; to try to defy God and what he himself was; obsessing about becoming more confident through psychiatric drugs.

A lot of the manosphere is like this, thinking they can challenge the Almighty and become something more than what they are, not unlike this M woman you mention. Promiscuous women believe that they become better with each man they sleep with.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
Prophet nailed it on the first page. I think Roosh's MO here was to get guys to acquire a new mindset towards what is going on, which of course is correct and good. However, the whole "deserve" thing is likely silly and at best debatable. There are all sorts of people that get all sorts of things that don't "deserve" whatever we want to talk about. Sometimes it works out for them. Sometimes they receive a gift and squander it.

We inherited a society that got to the women. Period. As inheritors, we pay frequently for the sins of our fathers. They let their guard down - the price of freedom and all types of virtue for that matter, is vigilance. No, we aren't blameless. But this has happened before and will happen again. Nevertheless, His will be done.
 

yarqur

Sparrow
Brother, I respectfully disagree with you. Have you ever been in a church? Have you gotten active in that church, aside from Sunday morning rituals? There are too many women looking for a good, God-fearing, church attending man. If you dress well and act respectfully, you will get no shortage of interest from women looking to intentionally pair up, and they tend to move fast (I've heard cases of courting starting within a month of initially meeting in the church social setup, followed by an engagement around the 3rd month, and marriage within a year, though 6 months is more usual than not). The older they are, the faster they move (a lot of the good girls tend to be committed, if not married, by 22 years, but not all).

What's the point of waiting for several years if you're both not having sex and both of you know you're only getting older? And as long as you end the courting respectfully if she is not for you, you can continue to remain in church community with limited issues stemming from the "break-up", and a pool of girls who would still date you, aside from her close friends (assuming things didn't get ugly). (I say date, but I really mean courting, because it's "get-to-know each other phase" to see if this can lead to marriage).

The key here is to be involved in the youth/young adults/singles group that the church may offer, NOT with the intent of wife-hunting, but just to be present and available and bond with the church community. And to gently and respectfully reject or pursue the options that may present themselves to you. Another key is to remember being intentional: if you can't see a future with her, don't waste her time, and be upfront about it. Women talk, and being candid gets you a lot of points in the long run, even if it hurts in the moment for her.
I didn't even know there are churches were the woman keeps quiet and doesn't dress like she's going clubbing for the night? Where can I find one?
 
I didn't even know there are churches were the woman keeps quiet and doesn't dress like she's going clubbing for the night? Where can I find one?
I'm assuming you live in medium-sized city, if not a large metropolitan city. Skip out on megachurches and anywhere that has a focus on looking
"cool" and fitting in with the culture, as opposed to transforming the culture with its churches. There are good churches with only 200 to 500 members attending, where you can get a good family-vibe and have some nice options of meeting someone. Pre-covid, those churches would all be linked up with other churches and have conferences and speakers for youths, couples, singles, etc. Take advantage of such opportunities. But don't waste your time in churches where the pastor shows his dick root and the music sounds like a rock concert.
 

yarqur

Sparrow
I'm assuming you live in medium-sized city, if not a large metropolitan city. Skip out on megachurches and anywhere that has a focus on looking
"cool" and fitting in with the culture, as opposed to transforming the culture with its churches. There are good churches with only 200 to 500 members attending, where you can get a good family-vibe and have some nice options of meeting someone. Pre-covid, those churches would all be linked up with other churches and have conferences and speakers for youths, couples, singles, etc. Take advantage of such opportunities. But don't waste your time in churches where the pastor shows his dick root and the music sounds like a rock concert.
Ah, maybe that is so in the USA? Because where I live even the smallest churches are not Christian anymore.
 
Ah, maybe that is so in the USA? Because where I live even the smallest churches are not Christian anymore.
I see you're from Finland. I don't know much about the culture or the situation there. I am sorry to hear that. All I can say is to pray for your nation; pray that the nation falls back to God
 
I have my idea bout it;

HOW MEN ARE SATANIC FORCE

Of course that's how Satan works. Telling men it's evil women, although... it's mostly men doing evil things. Even Roosh right here... I don't know no pick up woman artist... even if you got Amy Schumer talking bout dicks or whatever, she's just drunk middle age crisis washed up wanna-be comedian... not a pick-up artist by a long shot.

It's hard for me to put it simple, english isn't my first language either but... I've been reading a lot, I had my encounters with girls, I'm rather romantic, sometimes I went to player mode... lil bit of this, lil bit of that, more on that 'honest' side though.

And I'm kind of amazed how you guys are all, still fixated about chicks. Now it's not only just booty+titties+face+funny+obey, only that they also must cook, clean house and raise kids good.

I always wonder... where is that romantic touch in all this? Yall speak like robots... is it like ok, to (for the sake of discussion), not to have kids, lay down by the lake and smoke a joint listening to I don't know... since Roosh was in Poland, and I'm polish let's go with hippie


The point of my post is... the women you get are usually exactly the same you expect em to be. Ya guys expect 99% to be depraved, that's what you get.
 
I have my idea bout it;

HOW MEN ARE SATANIC FORCE

Of course that's how Satan works. Telling men it's evil women, although... it's mostly men doing evil things. Even Roosh right here... I don't know no pick up woman artist... even if you got Amy Schumer talking bout dicks or whatever, she's just drunk middle age crisis washed up wanna-be comedian... not a pick-up artist by a long shot.

It's hard for me to put it simple, english isn't my first language either but... I've been reading a lot, I had my encounters with girls, I'm rather romantic, sometimes I went to player mode... lil bit of this, lil bit of that, more on that 'honest' side though.

And I'm kind of amazed how you guys are all, still fixated about chicks. Now it's not only just booty+titties+face+funny+obey, only that they also must cook, clean house and raise kids good.

I always wonder... where is that romantic touch in all this? Yall speak like robots... is it like ok, to (for the sake of discussion), not to have kids, lay down by the lake and smoke a joint listening to I don't know... since Roosh was in Poland, and I'm polish let's go with hippie


The point of my post is... the women you get are usually exactly the same you expect em to be. Ya guys expect 99% to be depraved, that's what you get.
Get out of here with that gay noise
 

Perolroosh

Chicken
Woman
Every man deserves a good woman when he deems himself worthy to deserve one. It goes both ways as any woman deserves a good man if she is deserving of one.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
...Now it's not only just booty+titties+face+funny+obey, only that they also must cook, clean house and raise kids good.

I always wonder... where is that romantic touch in all this? Yall speak like robots...
While this (now-banned) member was an obviois troll, I must admit he does have a bit of a point here (quoted passage above).

Far too many men here try and plan/calculate how to find and choose a good wife by whether or not she ticks off your boxes on a list.

There is not enough "romance." God is supposed to choose a wife for you. And it happens mysteriously and spontaneously, not as the end result of your meticulously-planned and calculated system.

I've even seen many men here unironically compare marriage to a business contract, for goodness sake.

I'm not saying all men here have this attitude, but I notice it far too often (especially among the younger unmarried men).
 
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